SIN AND PUNISHMENT 2

[Himu]

[Positive Touch]

looks great, but has treasure made a hi-def game yet??

[tiesto]

[Crushed]

GET BONUS

[Himu]

[tiesto]

GET BONUS

More like GET BONER

[Crushed]

i hope there's even more incomprehensible cutscenes about talking cats and the air force and shit

[Van Cruncheon]

looks like crap

wii graphics

nobody plays rail shooters for the gameplay alone

[bork]

So the Dreamcast 2 really is coming out in 2009?? 

[Tauntaun]

So the Dreamcast 2 really is coming out in 2009?? 

Don't play with me, I'd buy that system in a heartbeat.  Shmup/2D heaven.

[Crushed]

looks like crap

wii graphics

nobody plays rail shooters for the gameplay alone

prole the anti-gamer confirmed

[demi]

meh

[Mr. Gundam]

nobody plays rail shooters for the gameplay alone

Sad but true.

[hyp]

will get.

but wii.  massive cry.  :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Crushed]

From the NA conference:

Confirmed for 2009 in North America. "After we saw how many people downloaded it on Virtual Console, we got the message that North America wants Sin and Punishment as well." "You're not going to have to import it," she says.

[Purple Filth]

This was very surprising to me when i heard the announcement.


Will be getting.

[Tristam]

Graphics suck, but it's the sequel to S&P. Should be good.

[demi]

From the NA conference:

Confirmed for 2009 in North America. "After we saw how many people downloaded it on Virtual Console, we got the message that North America wants Sin and Punishment as well." "You're not going to have to import it," she says.

S&P2 is VC/WiiWare?

[cool breeze]

The game looks great and can actually work on the Wii.  Games like this and Wild Guns where you control the character, but it is still basically a light gun game are the perfect genre for the console.

[Oblivion]

From the NA conference:

Confirmed for 2009 in North America. "After we saw how many people downloaded it on Virtual Console, we got the message that North America wants Sin and Punishment as well." "You're not going to have to import it," she says.

S&P2 is VC/WiiWare?

No, they're just mentioning lots of people bought it on VC.

[Beezy]

Prole is right, it looks like ass. I'll still get it though.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

looks great, but has treasure made a hi-def game yet??

there's like 20-some guys at Treasure.  Not to say they can't do a HD game, but, well, lets just say that super-awesome 3D graphics (which they have done, with outside help) would be a miss allocation of their talents.

side note.  I fucking guarantee that Treasure is only doing the creative direction/elite work for this game.  All the grunt work will be done by anonymous coders working for Nintendo, maybe even TOSE, Cavia, or whomever proposed the best budget.  But Treasure does not have the resources to do this kind of thing all by themselves over a relatively short period of time.

[drohne]

if that was a bet rather than a guarantee, i'd take it. it would be thoroughly unlike treasure to outsource the 'gruntwork,' or even to consider coding and low-level design 'gruntwork' -- treasure's directors and lead designers are often also coders or musicians or background artists. they did collaborate with g-rev on ikaruga and g5, but they did not collaborate with nintendo on s&p1. and i don't see what's so demanding about a ps2-level rail shooter anyway

treasure

[Crushed]

short trailer/teaser:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40742.html

[cool breeze]

Still excited for it and all that, but damn, this game looks really ugly.

[drohne]

whatever. as if it's very meaningful to fault this for looking like a ps2 game when it's on ps2-class hardware. at least it looks like a good ps2 game

[Tristam]

It does look better in motion. And the jetpack should be a fun addition -- the full movement on two axes with the behind-the-back view reminds me a lot of Space Harrier.

[Phoenix Dark]

Prole is right, it looks like ass. I'll still get it though.

Why does it look bad? When you consider the quality art style it's rather impressive. I know it's not HD level but honestly, do 360/PS3 games really look that impressive? Remember how they were supposed to look like Pixar movies and the Madden video? In that respect HD gaming has been nothing but a disappointment whereas Nintendo keeps surprising me

[Himu]

I agree with phoenix.

[Van Cruncheon]

it looks ugly because lower resolutions are never attractive, the modeling sucks, the textures are really lo-fi, and the environments in those shots are shit-brown and techno-cliched and just plain dog-face UGGO

[Howard Alan Treesong]

looks like ass and poo

I will play Rez HD

[Van Cruncheon]

a gamer of class and distinction should never settle for wii in a subgenre where quality is primarily dictated by graphics

you put three-dee shooters on rails to provide a visual thrill-ride, not gamely coast through homely last-gen visuals

seriously, would the panzer dragoon games been as compelling an experience if they'd been on hardware from the preceding generation

hell, would any arcade rail shooter be fondly remembered if it had crappy visuals at the time of release

answer: aw hell naw

[Phoenix Dark]

it looks ugly because lower resolutions are never attractive, the modeling sucks, the textures are really lo-fi, and the environments in those shots are shit-brown and techno-cliched and just plain dog-face UGGO

That's really you're opinion, if you were an expert you'd be making games.

The art style is truly fantastic, sure the textures aren't perfect but they do the job very well. It's not going to win awards but it's going to be fun, exciting, and most importantly innovative which is something that's often overlooked in this HD era of gaming.

[Van Cruncheon]

it looks ugly because lower resolutions are never attractive, the modeling sucks, the textures are really lo-fi, and the environments in those shots are shit-brown and techno-cliched and just plain dog-face UGGO

That's really you're opinion, if you were an expert you'd be making games.

The art style is truly fantastic, sure the textures aren't perfect but they do the job very well. It's not going to win awards but it's going to be fun, exciting, and most importantly innovative which is something that's often overlooked in this HD era of gaming.

six months out of gaf and suddenly you're reduced to the trolling level of AWESOME WOWSOME

jesus, dude

[drohne]

ideally you put shooters on rails as a variation on the tightly-controlled arcade gameplay of a 2d shooter, and panzer zwei remains more compelling qua ludus than panzer orta or rez or whatever that shitty xbla rail shooter is called. s&p1 is still awesome, and n64 graphics were never attractive

[Howard Alan Treesong]

a gamer of class and distinction should never settle for wii in a subgenre where quality is primarily dictated by graphics

you put three-dee shooters on rails to provide a visual thrill-ride, not gamely coast through homely last-gen visuals

seriously, would the panzer dragoon games been as compelling an experience if they'd been on hardware from the preceding generation

hell, would any arcade rail shooter be fondly remembered if it had crappy visuals at the time of release

answer: aw hell naw

pretty much, I mean, the gameplay of a rail shooter is a DISNEYLAND THRILLRIDE of non-stop sights and sounds

and Disney upgrades their tech all the time. why? because nobody wants to ride 1960s era tech Pirates of the Carribean in 2008

just like nobody wants to play Sin and Punishment 2 on the Wii

[Van Cruncheon]

ideally you put shooters on rails as a variation on the tightly-controlled arcade gameplay of a 2d shooter, and panzer zwei remains more compelling qua ludus than panzer orta or rez or whatever that shitty xbla rail shooter is called. s&p1 is still awesome, and n64 graphics were never attractive

that's a lot of faith you're placing in waggle controls, then!

[Phoenix Dark]

not enough faith. it hasn't let me down yet

[Van Cruncheon]

i wasn't talking to you, pd

you're too embarrassing to be around right now

:shun

[Himu]

a gamer of class and distinction should never settle for wii in a subgenre where quality is primarily dictated by graphics

you put three-dee shooters on rails to provide a visual thrill-ride, not gamely coast through homely last-gen visuals

seriously, would the panzer dragoon games been as compelling an experience if they'd been on hardware from the preceding generation

hell, would any arcade rail shooter be fondly remembered if it had crappy visuals at the time of release

answer: aw hell naw

pretty much, I mean, the gameplay of a rail shooter is a DISNEYLAND THRILLRIDE of non-stop sights and sounds

and Disney upgrades their tech all the time. why? because nobody wants to ride 1960s era tech Pirates of the Carribean in 2008

just like nobody wants to play Sin and Punishment 2 on the Wii

This is the dumbest observation I have seen in this thread because it basically says that rail shooters are just thrill rides and don't have any deep gameplay to offer, which is bullshit.

[Phoenix Dark]

trolling gaf>>>>>>>trolling eb

[drohne]

this is the one genre where pointer controls can do no harm -- but controls are neither here nor there. i'm excited about a sequel to the best- or second-best game in a distinguished if sparsely-packed genre. obviously it sucks that wii has kept ps2-class hardware limping on in hideous undeath, but i don't know why rail shooters are being victimized particularly as a graphics-dependent genre. starfox 1 never looked good. panzer 1 ran at 15fps and you could count the polys on your fingers. s&p1 was an n64 game, and n64 was a fundamentally mistaken piece of hardware. i mean it's not like rail shooters are jrpgs, where the entertainment value is entirely dependent on the clarity with which you can suss the curvature of the prepubescent heroine's boyish nates through her day-glo miniskirt

[Himu]

ideally you put shooters on rails as a variation on the tightly-controlled arcade gameplay of a 2d shooter, and panzer zwei remains more compelling qua ludus than panzer orta or rez or whatever that shitty xbla rail shooter is called. s&p1 is still awesome, and n64 graphics were never attractive

that's a lot of faith you're placing in waggle controls, then!

Waggle contrls with rail shooter gameplay was one of the things I was excited about when I first heard about the wii. It one of the reasons I felt the system had so much potential.

So yeah, I have faith in them to pull off a solid experience.

I've been waiting for this for a few years. Let us bask in the awesome that are rail shooters.

[Van Cruncheon]

i couldn't play starfox 1 past the time of release. and i couldn't get into either pd original or zwei particularly, because they were ugly for the time -- if they had came out in the ps2 era, i wouldn't even touch 'em with himu's dick. i understand they can and do have good arcade play mechanics, but i demand crazy visuals to accompany them, because that's what the arcade-style experience is -- orgiastic visuals wed to staccato gameplay. 3d has an immersive, in-your-face effect that 2d doesn't, and if you aren't gonna try to maximize that, just knock me out a decent 2d shooter instead.

[Van Cruncheon]

i was going to type "better a sexually moribund animu toadling than a wii apologist" but i couldn't keep a straight face. although I did hafta weigh the respective failings of both sides before hitting post

[Himu]

But you said like in the first reply that there's no reason to play a rail shooter unless the graphics are competent.

You can troll better than this, man.

I'm disappointed in ya.

[drohne]

since arcade gameplay can no longer command the budgets associated with orgiastic visuals, i'll settle. anyway, good arcade games outlive the shock of their visuals -- and i wonder if i can say as much for gears or uncharted

and no way was pd zwei ugly for the time! it belonged to the 15 minutes when saturn seemed adequately competitive with ps1. though i guess that whole console generation paled next to model 2

i miss the 90s :'(

[Howard Alan Treesong]

no game of value has or ever will come out on the Wii

last-gen tech + nonsense controls = impossible situation

[Van Cruncheon]

i have no idea what you are arguing, himumu

there is nothing "competent" about the visuals demonstrated in these screenshots

even you would agree that MIGHT be recified by blushing pie-eyed maidens in spandex schoolwear, yet i remain skeptical

[drohne]

there is no console so shitty that a good game has not accidentally happened to it at one time or another. this is that happy accident

[Van Cruncheon]

i thought zwei had too many lo-fi bitmaps and a lack of transparency effects

oh i loathed stipple alpha

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i had no dates from mid-'95 to early-'97 :'(

[close]

[Himu]

the 90's were the best

[Great Rumbler]

Oh no, graphics that are less than cutting edge!! How can I possibly have fun playing this?!

[Van Cruncheon]

why, we are asking that very question

[recursivelyenumerable]

starfox 1 never looked good.

didn't it?  personally I find very low-poly, geometric 3D visuals to have their own fascination, just as asm coding on 8-bit CPUs does

sexually moribund

[Great Rumbler]

why, we are asking that very question

I know how, but it's a secret. 

[tiesto]

there is no console so shitty that a good game has not accidentally happened to it at one time or another. this is that happy accident

Can't really recall too many good games for the Pippin, CD-32, 7800, or the Jaguar CD... well 32x had Chaotix and Virtua Racing and a VF1 port... PC-FX had a Langrisser port, and Jaguar had Tempest and Alien vs Predator.

Sorry, I'm just being a bastard here 

[Beezy]

Prole is right, it looks like ass. I'll still get it though.

Why does it look bad? When you consider the quality art style it's rather impressive. I know it's not HD level but honestly, do 360/PS3 games really look that impressive? Remember how they were supposed to look like Pixar movies and the Madden video? In that respect HD gaming has been nothing but a disappointment whereas Nintendo keeps surprising me

Don't be a dumbass. The game looks flat and dull.

[Cormacaroni]

Jesus wept, Panzer Dragoon Orta destroys this graphically and that was how many years ago? The original Sin & Punishment was not very interesting either.

[Crushed]

Jesus wept, Panzer Dragoon Orta destroys this graphically

whatever you say chief