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Stock Market under 10,000
« on: October 06, 2008, 11:54:29 AM »
Lets just hope it can stay OVER 9000?!?!?!??!?!
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 11:55:56 AM »
At least oil is sinking with it.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 11:56:23 AM »
Take that OIL
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 11:57:03 AM »
We gonna party likes it's 1999. Well, not really since the Dow Jones was over 11,000 in 1999.

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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 11:58:31 AM »
Im gonna start building my Bushville
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 11:58:46 AM »
How come I'm only paying ~$.50 less a gallon than when oil was at $150/barrel?
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 12:00:12 PM »
Should I start stockpiling guns'n'ammo now? :gun
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 12:01:54 PM »
$700 billion did jack shit. Didn't slow the tide or anything of the sort.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 12:02:19 PM »
Did you expect 700 billion to just teleport where it needed to be? Who's fault is that.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 12:02:49 PM »
How come I'm only paying ~$.50 less a gallon than when oil was at $150/barrel?

Because, shut up.*


















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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 12:04:13 PM »
I actually buy top shelf gas since im used to the price now :*(
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 12:04:49 PM »
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The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That's caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt.

Why in the hell would you sell now when prices are this low? If you have any kind of longer term investment horizon you would be much better off staying in the market.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 12:06:00 PM »
Most investors are dumb, probably screaming at their broker to pull everything out.
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 12:07:34 PM »
The Toronto stock exchange was 50% higher just a few months ago. My parents' retirement savings are fucked.

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The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That's caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt.

Why in the hell would you sell now when prices are this low? If you have any kind of longer term investment horizon you would be much better off staying in the market.
The long term future is in guns, spam, canned soup, beans, and child labor.

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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 12:09:17 PM »
Most investors are dumb, probably screaming at their broker to pull everything out.
Pretty much. There are smart contrarian investors out there right now salivating because there is big money to be made in these wild and irrational swings in volatility (see: Nassim Taleb).
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 12:10:13 PM »
I blame Ronald Reagan, of course.  If people hadn't started using IRAs and 401ks as opposed to actual pension plans, not everybody and their fucking brother would be in the market right now.  Know how many households had investments in the stock market in 1976?  Like 5%.  Now it's like more than half. 
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 12:11:18 PM »
Did you expect 700 billion to just teleport where it needed to be? Who's fault is that.
The $700 billion at this point is an assurance that the worst debt will be absorbed but it's the speculative market people are suiciding.

Meh. It's fucking stupid throughout the agricultural, industrial and information revolution human error has been phased out for productivity sake and yet the financial market is still being run on human emotion.  
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 12:12:21 PM »
Thats because for years the stock market has been sold as a 'game' to well-off old people
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 12:16:30 PM »
I blame Ronald Reagan, of course.  If people hadn't started using IRAs and 401ks as opposed to actual pension plans, not everybody and their fucking brother would be in the market right now.  Know how many households had investments in the stock market in 1976?  Like 5%.  Now it's like more than half. 
Most pension plans are funded by some kind of equity investment, and it is not even anywhere as safe as you would think it should be. Companies are required to keep so much invested in what are called "plan assets", which can range from equity securities to corporate debentures, and the amounts invested are determined by assumptions. I am not sure where they are at now, but a few years ago the GM pension plan was massively underfunded and it needed something like 16% annualized rate of return over the next 10 years to provide defined benefits. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 12:16:51 PM »
Nah there's a lot of young people in it too it's more like a casino really except you don't expect to win now, only in the future unless you're a day trader.

We need a giant fucking computer that simply assigns share prices to company stock on accounting principles.
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 12:17:02 PM »
The Toronto Stock Exchange:



edit: it was under 10k today, falling more than 1000 points--the biggest one day percentage drop since 1987.
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2008, 12:19:00 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2008, 12:19:19 PM »
Thats because for years the stock market has been sold as a 'game' to well-off old people
I can definitely see that being part of it, especially since the 90s when "daytrading" became popular. I think alot of the volatility has to do with momentum and the her mentality, which have been empirically noted for years (i.e. stocks that finish the day down tend to be down the following day as well, and vice versa).
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2008, 12:21:28 PM »
We need a giant fucking computer that simply assigns share prices to company stock on accounting principles.
It's called the price to book ratio, although the p/e ratio is much more popular with investors. I think that the p/e ration is much too short-sighted since earnings are often an aberration.
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2008, 12:22:49 PM »
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TORONTO, Oct 6 (Reuters) - The Toronto Stock Exchange's main index tumbled more than 1,100 points and more than 10 percent on Monday morning, its biggest percentage drop since October 1987.

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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2008, 12:23:55 PM »
What I really want to know is, how is Campbell's stock doing today?  No hobo.
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2008, 12:26:24 PM »
What I really want to know is, how is Campbell's stock doing today?  No hobo.
Down only -0.45%.

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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2008, 12:31:41 PM »
It's called the price to book ratio, although the p/e ratio is much more popular with investors. I think that the p/e ration is much too short-sighted since earnings are often an aberration.
It's the human element though if the p/b or p/e ratio was good people would still bail since it's about speculation. Anyway I've been hoping the the floor comes soon just so I can feel comfortable that's the rides over and maybe do the smart investor thing.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2008, 12:47:35 PM »
Hells yeah. Old school warfare is OUT. We're gonna KILL THE TERRERISTS by ELIMINATING MONEY. Take that, filthy Euro-Canuk trash!
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2008, 12:51:08 PM »
Hells yeah. Old school warfare is OUT. We're gonna KILL THE TERRERISTS by ELIMINATING MONEY. Take that, filthy Euro-Canuk trash!

I never thought of this before, LET'S BURN WALLSTREET!  :punch
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2008, 12:58:19 PM »
Who the fuck cares  :usacry :auscry :swisscry :gbcry :cancry :chinacry :japancry :ussrcry :bawl
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2008, 01:11:08 PM »
PORKCHOP SANDWICHES
FUCK WE'RE ALL DEAD
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
GO, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU STUPID IDIOTS
FUCK!! WE'RE ALL DEAD!!
GET THE FUCK OUT
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2008, 01:50:14 PM »
It's called the price to book ratio, although the p/e ratio is much more popular with investors. I think that the p/e ration is much too short-sighted since earnings are often an aberration.
It's the human element though if the p/b or p/e ratio was good people would still bail since it's about speculation. Anyway I've been hoping the the floor comes soon just so I can feel comfortable that's the rides over and maybe do the smart investor thing.
Good thinking man.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2008, 01:59:16 PM »
I'm keeping expenses to a bare minimum.  If there is going to be a bottom, I want to make sure I invest heavily in it when the time comes.
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2008, 02:04:43 PM »
Not a question of if, but when. There was actually a pretty good article in WSJ today about recent rallies in times of market volatility. There were also several analysts predicting a large but short-term recovery before the end of the year. That would be awesome if you could time the market for something like that
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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2008, 02:47:12 PM »
Haw haw, down more than 700 now.  Can it finish with a bigger loss than last Monday?  Stay tuned!
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2008, 02:54:46 PM »
Is this really an economic disaster for anyone but the super rich?
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2008, 02:56:05 PM »
Not good with economics, but is this a good thing? :???:

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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2008, 02:58:19 PM »
Is this really an economic disaster for anyone but the super rich?

If it affects jerbs then the poor are affected too
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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2008, 02:58:26 PM »
Is this really an economic disaster for anyone but the super rich?

Sho nuff.  401ks, IRAs?  Where do you think that money gets invested?  Not Campbell's soup, I assure you.
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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2008, 02:58:44 PM »
Dow Down 732.84 (7.10%)

Is this really an economic disaster for anyone but the super rich?
Everyone has stocks these days. Even if you don't, once people stop spending money on soup, Campbell's will lay off more people. Then those people will go to soup kitchens, and eat non-Campbell's soup, and Campbell's will go bankrupt and lay off its remaining workforce.

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« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2008, 02:59:20 PM »
And hire 10cent/hr Mexicans instead
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Re: Stock Market under 10,000
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2008, 03:02:15 PM »
Down 792.73 (7.68%) New record?

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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2008, 03:04:02 PM »
YES

the previous record was 777

and now we break it less than a week later

AMERICA!  :american

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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2008, 03:05:06 PM »
YES

the previous record was 777

and now we break it less than a week later

AMERICA!  :american

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,992211,00.html
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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2008, 03:05:37 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2008, 03:10:51 PM »
It's not really close to a record percentage-wise.


Or even, the worst drop in most of our lifetimes(1987)
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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2008, 03:12:22 PM »
It's not really close to a record percentage-wise.

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2008, 03:21:30 PM »
Thanks for stating the obvious, but don't try to derail 2 great 2 depressing.

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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2008, 03:22:16 PM »
Suze Orman, or whatever her name is, was saying it may hit 8000-8500 last week after it fell 777 points.

And yeah, it's affecting normal folks, not just the super rich. 3 people in my office got laid off this morning. We're down to 14 people now. 

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2008, 03:34:11 PM »
And yeah, it's affecting normal folks, not just the super rich. 3 people in my office got laid off this morning. We're down to 14 people now. 

You sure it was cause of stock market? Sure they weren't fired just for being too ugly?

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2008, 03:36:29 PM »
And yeah, it's affecting normal folks, not just the super rich. 3 people in my office got laid off this morning. We're down to 14 people now. 

You sure it was cause of stock market? Sure they weren't fired just for being too ugly?

Naw, Bocsius wasn't fired.

J/K

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2008, 03:36:43 PM »
It wasn't just the stock market, it was financial indicators in general. Credit, stocks, consumer confidence, etc.

And, yeah, I'm still employed (knock on my wooden desktop here), so it can't all be about ugliness.

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2008, 03:43:14 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2008, 03:43:21 PM »
The Toronto Stock Exchange:

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edit: it was under 10k today, falling more than 1000 points--the biggest one day percentage drop since 1987.

fuck. 

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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2008, 03:46:22 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!

Credulity is at an all time hight; sell short on rationality futures. 

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2008, 03:46:36 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2008/10/prosperity-gospel-may-have-helped.html
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2008, 04:00:24 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2008/10/prosperity-gospel-may-have-helped.html

To be fair, the Pope had nothing to do with that.
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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2008, 04:03:40 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2008/10/prosperity-gospel-may-have-helped.html

To be fair, the Pope had nothing to do with that.

Yeah, the Catholic Church isn't interested in mortgages. When was the last time a house squealed like a ten-year-old boy when a priest entered it from behind. 

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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2008, 04:06:53 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4893190.ece

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Pope Benedict XVI today said that the global credit crisis shows that the world's financial systems are "built on sand" and that only the works of God have "solid reality".

That's right! The miracle speculation market is still doing well! And Jesus is still appearing in 1 out of 10000 loaves of bread!

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2008/10/prosperity-gospel-may-have-helped.html

To be fair, the Pope had nothing to do with that.

Yeah, the Catholic Church isn't interested in mortgages. When was the last time a house squealed like a ten-year-old boy when a priest entered it from behind. 

Precisely.
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