Author Topic: I'm nervous about Fallout 3 (Read 9613 times)

GilloD · « **on:** October 13, 2008, 10:31:48 AM »

Are the haters the same haters who hates Fallout 2 or are they genuine prophets? I'm terrified. What if it's bad? Assuage my anxieties please.

cool breeze · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:34:11 AM »

It's Oblivion with guns -or- open world Bioshock

If that doesn't intrigue you, then you had false expectations. What it isn't is Fallout 3, as in the sequel to Fallout 2, but I don't really care about that. I think it looks great (not graphically...it looks like butt graphically).

GilloD · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2008, 11:16:25 AM »

Quote from: Borys on October 13, 2008, 11:11:49 AM

1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.

Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...

...VAN BUREN...

NEVER FORGET

Oblivion with guns, minus the bullshit filler landscape, sounds fuck awesome.

tiesto · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2008, 11:46:30 AM »

Quote from: Borys on October 13, 2008, 11:11:49 AM

1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.

Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...

...VAN BUREN...

NEVER FORGET

What does an overrated DJ have to do with Fallout?

Draft · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2008, 12:00:44 PM »

I watched some vids of FO3 yesterday. What the fuck is this shit? Seriously. It's not even Oblivion with guns. It's a Goddamn turn based first person shooter. Every single fight is taking a couple pot shots at enemies beelining straight into you, then turning on VATS and insta gibbing them. Every single fight. I've seen some apologists postulate that all of the videos have either god mode or some sort of super aim turned on, but I think that's bullshit. In FO1 and FO2, it took maybe 2 or 3 levels for someone tagged with small arms to get that skill above 100%, which combined with a high PER means 95% aimed headshots all the time.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2008, 12:35:27 PM »

Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.

drew · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2008, 12:43:19 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on October 13, 2008, 10:34:11 AM

It's Oblivion with guns

Quote from: swaggaz on October 13, 2008, 10:34:11 AM

open world Bioshock

fuck bioshock

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2008, 12:44:16 PM »

bioshock was a good game, oblivion was a very weak game if you had ever played a lot of Morrowind. Oblivion = more of the same with better graphics, blah

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2008, 12:56:53 PM »

What i played was horribly boring, FPS mechanics are broken, you have to use the pause thing turn based shit in order to make the combat work well, and the graphics are absolute shit.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:10:00 PM »

well, everyone who wants fallout 3 can download the glorious playable van buren tech demo. If Fallout 1 and 2 were as clunky as that, then I'll take Oblivion with guns and disregard the franchise name.

GilloD · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:10:39 PM »

God dammit. Maybe I'll rent this and buyS SR2 instead

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:13:07 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on October 13, 2008, 01:10:39 PM

God dammit. Maybe I'll rent this and buyS SR2 instead

Just play more Crackdown instead!

muckhole · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:15:14 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2008, 12:35:27 PM

Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.

Yeah, I fear this will get a Deus Ex sized backlash after it's out for a month or so. Still, I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:16:53 PM »

No need to fear, its been getting that backlash since it was announced.

muckhole · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:17:45 PM »

I'm talking a larger scale, open world size backlash. With better graphics.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:21:18 PM »

Quote from: muckhole on October 13, 2008, 01:17:45 PM

I'm talking a larger scale, open world size backlash. With better graphics.

It'll give off the appearance of just that, but all told, it'll be maybe 1000 raging internet nerds total. The game will crack a million and every subsequent thread on any gaming board ever will meltdown into a battle between people who like it for what is and nostalgia dudes. Heated words will be exchanged. subtle digs about new players being posers will be made. new players will complain about how outdated the old games are. In the year 20XX, nothing is safe.

cool breeze · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:29:37 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2008, 12:35:27 PM

Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.

Yeah, it's a shame.

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2008, 12:44:16 PM

bioshock was a good game, oblivion was a very weak game if you had ever played a lot of Morrowind. Oblivion = more of the same with better graphics, blah

This is also true. Oblivion was downgraded a lot from Morrowind in terms of gameplay, and in general Cyrodiil was incredibly boring compared to Vvardenfell. Morrowind was probably the single player game I spent most time with.

Tieno · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:33:42 PM »

Quote from: Borys on October 13, 2008, 11:11:49 AM

1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.

Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...

...VAN BUREN...

NEVER FORGET

Stop Borys, I'm already hyped enough

OBLIVION WITH GUNS MINUS FILLER PLUS BIOSHOCK MINUS GOOD BIOSHOCK ART PLUS BETTER THAN OBLIVION ART =

Fuck you Fallout fans, you guys are over, nobody gives a fuck about your nostalgia. Fallout 3 is for the xbox 360 fans who loved Oblivion and Bioshock and like playing console RPGs. Go back to your PCs! Fallout 3 has been usurped and now belongs to us.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:41:10 PM »

Never played Fallout in my life, and i loved Oblivion.

1st - Fallout 3 is nothing like Bioshock.
2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.
3rd - Fallout 3 really is an ugly game, as soon as you see those character models you wonder if you went back in time.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2008, 01:42:37 PM »

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2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.

wow, that's not very hopeful. Oblivion, though I did put about 60 hours into it, isn't very exciting or fun either. how is this worse?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:00:45 PM »

Quote from: Kranz Fafka on October 13, 2008, 01:42:37 PM

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2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.

wow, that's not very hopeful. Oblivion, though I did put about 60 hours into it, isn't very exciting or fun either. how is this worse?

Oblivion had a sense of physicality to the combat at least, and a more "wow look at this world" thing going on. And getting a horse and traveling across the mountains and even story wise when you go to the temple, and it's snowing and it's so beautiful.

Fallout 3 has none of that. The beginning is even worse than oblivion, they think they are real smart with the whole growing up thing early on but it's lame, and boring, and goddamn the characters talk so much but they are so ugly, and the the cockroaches move like boxes, and when the fighting starts you just want it to end because it's painfully bad. And the pitboy interface is ugly and just makes you wanna avoid at all costs using it.

Then you arrive to Megaton, and you don't find one interesting character and everything is so ugly, and you just want to blow the goddamn city, and you go to the hotel and you kill lots of dogs, and then you nuke megaton, and then i didn't want to play more.

Seriously, i have no desire whatsoever of playing the game again.

demi · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:02:54 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on October 13, 2008, 10:31:48 AM

Are the haters the same haters who hates Fallout 2 or are they genuine prophets? I'm terrified. What if it's bad? Assuage my anxieties please.

The achievements are good

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:03:18 PM »

fuuuuuck.

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:47:27 PM »

I'm sort of scared because I just watched soom footage off of GTTV, and now I fell the need to buy it. $:-\$

BUT, it supposedly has none of that strange humor like Fallout 2 had. AND it's made by Bethesda, who made that rotting pile of shit Oblivion. Oh, and everyone talks and moves like a zombie.

cool breeze · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:50:59 PM »

The footage on Gametrailers spoils the entire game.

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2008, 02:55:37 PM »

All they showed was Washington D.C. and blowing up Megaton. And a black dude who talked and moved like a zombie.

cool breeze · « **Reply #26 on:** October 13, 2008, 03:18:52 PM »

And the hardest enemies of the game, the strongest armor, the strongest weapon, the hardest area, etc... They basically show off all the things you should be working for to see.

demi · « **Reply #27 on:** October 13, 2008, 03:20:28 PM »

As much as I hated Oblivion, I'd rather not be spoiled on this so try not to be too big of a dick to ruin it

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2008, 04:33:30 PM »

Blame console gamers. They can't handle the complexity of traditional PC rpgs.

Blame PC gamers. They won't buy games.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2008, 05:20:05 PM »

All I wanted was Oblivion with guns.

Hopefully that's what happens.

Fallout 3 looks like it will be a title that may be well designed, but some people are going to hate it no matter what. Shit, the Fallout series almost has more nostalgia attached to it than a Nintendo game.

Shuri · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2008, 05:31:32 PM »

wtf

Fallout is a minor cult title in the general conscience of gamers. I think a lot of people are really overbuilding the popularity of the first two titles.

F3 is getting all this hype because it's a fps game with rpgs settings. It could had been called something else and people who still be very hyped about it.

Mrbob · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2008, 05:53:46 PM »

I've played through Fallout and and have it with Fallout 2 purchased through GOG....I am a bit worried about Fallout 3 for the reasons Draft has mentioned. Having said this, I'm hoping Bethesda can pull this off to be more than Oblivion with guns or I'll be disappointed.

I'm torn between buying this and Red Alert 3 on October 28. I don't have time for two games on one day.

y2kev · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2008, 05:56:02 PM »

I agree with Shuri. Shocked they're calling it Fallout 3 and not Fallout: something or Fallout. Is it really worth it to add the name for notoriety and with it the crazies?

cool breeze · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2008, 06:11:28 PM »

I don't think that making it 'Fallout 3' was only a problem for name association. I'm guessing that the VATS shit was probably because they didn't want to veer off too much from an RPG and it's really a shame.

Mrbob · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2008, 06:49:40 PM »

Yeah it makes no sense to call the game Fallout 3.

It is basically a new vision for the fallout series. Not enough hardcore fallout fans left to care if it is a direct sequel or not.

drohne · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2008, 06:52:38 PM »

i've never played a fallout, and oblivion + guns - shitty level scaling = OK WITH ME. so much the better if it pisses off beardy nostalgics. and in the worst case it'll still kill ass effect

Bildi · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2008, 08:51:38 PM »

I expect it'll be huge, clunky, ugly, and bug-ridden, just like Oblivion. But I'm looking forward to it. The VATS is the only major thing that looks like total ass - I'm hoping to get by without it mostly.

Some shadows would be nice too, but eh, it's Bethesda.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2008, 08:55:13 PM »

I haven't played a Fallout or Oblivion, so I can't think of any cool remarks. I just think the premise sounds cool.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:00:34 PM »

looks ugly as shit to me

Once my badass computer gets here imma buy Oblivion, which looks good to me

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:02:34 PM »

post-apocalyptic > medieval stuff, to me

i've barely seen any footage of either game, actually

Bildi · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:03:31 PM »

I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.

It was bad enough playing Oblivion with only a handful of voice actors, but seeing the Fallout 3 videos with lizard man's voice coming out of the bartender or whatever is pretty jarring.

Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 13, 2008, 09:00:34 PM

looks ugly as shit to me

Once my badass computer gets here imma buy Oblivion, which looks good to me

In fairness, Oblivion is butt ugly as well. Unless you really, really like trees I suppose. Mods would help too maybe.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:08:45 PM »

I like medieval stuff at lot, more so than sci fi post-apocalyptic stuff. give me magic, dragons, and hot underage sex over gunz anyday

I've noticed human character models in Oblivion look so ugly but overall I like the look of the world. Seems fun. If I had a 360 I'd be geeking out over Fable 2

Bildi · « **Reply #42 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:20:50 PM »

I probably have the same preference. I really enjoyed Oblivion, but it does really lack on variety in the overworld, being basically all forest and undulating ground. Something like a cliff, ravine, waterfall, or overhang would have been nice (there are a couple of little waterfalls, but I mean there literally are "a couple"). In spite of that, I still like strolling around exploring.

The characters are really ugly, although it is possible to create a good male character for yourself.

demi · « **Reply #43 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:24:52 PM »

Across 7 systems

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #44 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:39:46 PM »

As long as there's no item/level scaling bullshit, I'm fine with the Oblivion comparison.

demi · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2008, 09:52:08 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 13, 2008, 09:35:02 PM

I'm pretty sure he bought it six or seven times across the three platforms. TVC can confirm.

He bought a couple PS3s too

abrader · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:34:04 PM »

I was really worried about this game till I watched the new trench warfare and subway fighting with the zombies videos....

I think the game will deliver.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:48:32 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 13, 2008, 09:24:24 PM

Didn't Prole buy Oblivion 7 times?

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25641.0

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2008, 11:09:19 PM »

Quote from: Bildi on October 13, 2008, 09:03:31 PM

I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.

They did.

abrader · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2008, 11:23:23 PM »

The only thing I dont like about the videos (and this could be due to the players style) is that you are slow moving and dont really take cover or anything...

Bildi · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2008, 12:53:54 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2008, 11:09:19 PM

Quote from: Bildi on October 13, 2008, 09:03:31 PM
I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.

They did.

... and fired all the old ones.

I can't recall any new voices in the "blowing up Megaton" video I admit. I look forward to new voices though.

maxy · « **Reply #51 on:** October 14, 2008, 09:14:16 AM »

Don't worry,game is great,been playing it whole weekend.Game is technically better than Oblivion,only thing that some people might(will) hate is its art.There is no rain,world fells really lonely,everything is black,grey and dirty,covered in ashes.

The game fells more like Morrowind(music,feel of loneliness,what the hell am i suppose to do next).

Also game can be really creepy sometimes.
And the world is bigger than Poland

GilloD · « **Reply #52 on:** October 14, 2008, 10:49:19 AM »

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41332.html

Awesome. Fears assuaged.

Mrbob · « **Reply #53 on:** October 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM »

Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. $:-\$

Draft · « **Reply #54 on:** October 14, 2008, 02:16:22 PM »

Quote from: Mrbob on October 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM

Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. $:-\$

The enemy AI would have to be Stephen Hawking's chair smart to stand a chance against a dude who can freeze time every 15 seconds to pop off 95% headshots.

Mrbob · « **Reply #55 on:** October 14, 2008, 02:41:27 PM »

Yeah no doubt.

I was so stoked for this game for the longest time but...the closer it gets to release and the more I see it the less I want it.

GilloD · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2008, 02:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Mrbob on October 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM

Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. $:-\$

What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2008, 02:52:36 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on October 14, 2008, 02:51:35 PM

Quote from: Mrbob on October 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. $:-\$

What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?

It's a FPS with shit FPS mechanics and combat (Shitty A.I and shooting). Doesn't that, by default, make the whole thing worthless?

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #58 on:** October 14, 2008, 03:32:23 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on October 14, 2008, 02:51:35 PM

Quote from: Mrbob on October 14, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. $:-\$

What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?

Crysis Warhead was the last game.

Good A.I. is a great thing. Coming from Crysis, seeing those guys standing there not doing shit is repulsive. On the other hand, games can be fun without good A.I.

Mrbob · « **Reply #59 on:** October 15, 2008, 07:36:17 PM »

The truth is out there:

http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=45725

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From what I've seen, Fallout 3 does not have any of the qualities of the previous episodes. But that was to be expected. However, it has none of the diffuse magic of the Elder Scrolls series. It feels like Bethesda made a break with this new title, a sad bend towards products multiplying "fan service", the dumb, goofy stuff that will make the client laugh, the "awsum roxxorz" elements and micro-gameplay to the detriment of world coherence and deeper mechanisms. To sum it all up, expect loads of shallow combat spoiled by VATS and slowmotion sequences as gore as pathetic, a terribly short main quest - a Spanish colleague has finished it in less than an afternoon, during his first playthrough - nice secondary quests, but which completely missed the intelligence and density of the series, the whole being flavored with failed occasions.

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VATS slow motion may be the worst crime against video gaming since the invention of the auto-aim and checkpoint based save system.
I don't know what the people of Bethesda had in mind... Maybe they feared that the game would be too short and imposed a twenty seconds on us at each targeted shot to extend the gameplay length, maybe they really desire that we notice their face modeling with independent eye globes, maybe they simply suffer from blaring bad taste, from a love for Brotherhood of Steel they want to share at any price?

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Lambda players will probably enjoy it. But, us? Well, we still cannot swallow it, this mucky heresy. Sure, I could destroy it, dip it into a vat of hatred just to clean the insult. But it wouldn't make it better. It wouldn't bring Black Isle back. So if you don't mind, I'm going to stop here and have a drink at the café of broken dreams.

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Most locations you can discover are "raider dungeons". City ruins are copy-paste of the same and only model, here and there flavored by the same and only model of tricycle (the very poetic "Red Ryder") and even worse, the main quest will get you through an Hellgate London-ish nightmare in which you had to pass through kilometers of underground for hours and hours.

Reference to Hellgate...OUCH!

I'm sure the US Media will overrate this game since they would like to get a job at Bethesda.

Thankfully it sounds like the main quest is short so I can rent it, finish it, and return it in a couple weeks. Save myself 60 dollars.

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Author Topic: I'm nervous about Fallout 3 (Read 9613 times)