Year of The PS3 Won't End: LBP delayed worldwide because of Quran and muslisms

[Tieno]

 
Update: http://threespeech.com/blog/2008/10/littlebigplanet-scees-official-statement/

SCEE has supplied us with the official statement on the situation regarding LittleBigPlanet…

During the review process prior to the release of LittleBigPlanet, it has been brought to our attention that one of the background music tracks licensed from a record label for use in the game contains two expressions that can be found in the Qur’an. We have taken immediate action to rectify this and we sincerely apologise for any offence that this may have caused.

We will confirm the new launch date shortly.

We’ll keep you updated with further information as soon as we get it.

UPDATE

We’ve just been informed by SCEE that the delay to release is effective worldwide.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/littlebigplanet-release-delayed-in-europe
LittleBigPlanet release delayed in Europe

The release of Sony's highly anticipated PlayStation 3 title LittleBigPlanet has been delayed in Europe.

The game was due for release next week, October 24, but now some retailers are estimating the game may be delayed by three weeks until November 14.

However, GamesIndustry.biz understands that the title may not suffer such a long delay to retail, and a new date is expected to be announced by Sony shortly.

LittleBigPlanet has reviewed incredibly well in the specialist press and anticipation is high from consumers who have already had access to the beta of the game.

Sony has said that the game is a system seller for the PlayStation 3, and the title is considered one of the most important releases for the home console this Christmas.

More details to follow.


Some are saying it's because of a particular song: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:BuPMgf6T4UIJ:community.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message%3Fboard.id%3D611%26message.id%3D8388+%22tapha+Niang%22+quran&hl=da&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=dk

To: Sony Computer Entertainment & Media Molecule

While playing your latest game, "LittleBigPlanet" in the first level of the third world in the game (titled "Swinging Safari":smileywink:, I have noticed something strange in the lyrics of the music track of the level. When I listened carefully, I was surprised to hear some very familiar Arabic words from the Quran. You can listen to part of the track here:

mt14.quickshareit.com/share/p...lip22503c0.wav


The words are:

1- In the 18th second: "كل نفس ذائقة الموت" ("kollo nafsin tha'iqatol mawt", literally: 'Every soul shall have the taste of death').

2- Almost immediately after, in the 27th second: "كل من عليها فان" ("kollo man alaiha fan", literally: 'All that is on earth will perish').


I asked many of my friends online and offline and they heard the exact same thing that I heard easily when I played that part of the track. Certain Arabic hardcore gaming forums are already discussing this, so we decided to take action by emailing you before this spreads to mainstream attention.

We Muslims consider the mixing of music and words from our Holy Quran deeply offending. We hope you would remove that track from the game immediately via an online patch, and make sure that all future shipments of the game disk do not contain it.

We would also like to mention that this isn't the first time something like this happened in videogames. Nintendo's 1998 hit "Zelda: Ocarina of Time" contained a musical track with islamic phrases, but it was removed in later shipments of the game after Nintendo was contacted by Muslim organizations. Last year, Capcom's "Zack & Wiki" and Activision's "Call of Duty 4" also contained objectionable material offensive to Muslims that was spotted before the release of the final games, and both companies thankfully removed the content.

We hope you act immediately to avoid any confusion and unnecessary controversy, and we thank you for making such an amazing game.

Regards,
yasser
psn id : solid08

[Tieno]

nevermind

[Tieno]

Borys only thinking about sales, typical salesfag!

[Tabasco]

It will still hit before Xmas and gather massive sales.

Tieno = pwned.

The sad thing is that when Putin conquers your country, you won't be able to see all the funny posts we make at your expense.

[Tieno]

Here's more info about the song and the objection
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:BuPMgf6T4UIJ:community.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message%3Fboard.id%3D611%26message.id%3D8388+%22tapha+Niang%22+quran&hl=da&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=dk

[The Innocent X]

They should hurry up, they don't want to fall in the same release week as Gears 2 or COD5.

[Sho Nuff]

People really need to stop sampling whatever public domain sound effects/instrument library that Quran chant comes from. So far it's been documented in Zelda and Kaktou Chojin.

[Mrbob]

Biggest release for the PS3 and Sony screws it up.

The company is truly inept now.

[duckman2000]

If they are going to be that touchy, they sort of deserve to be offended.

[CurseoftheGods]

This cannot be true

And the Zelda part? WTF.

As for COD4 containing islamic stuff - uh, wasn't it supposed to?

smh @ A-rabs

muslims =/= arabs you dumb fuck

[The Innocent X]

Oh the irony, GAF is talking about hassling the guy who reported that there might be a problem. ( he didn't even complain, just thought that Sony ought to know )

The best way to fight mindless intolerance is ALWAYS with mindless intolerance.. Who's with me?

[duckman2000]

I was just going to say, if there wasn't a known issue already, there certainly will be one now.

[Don Flamenco]

People really need to stop sampling whatever public domain sound effects/instrument library that Quran chant comes from. So far it's been documented in Zelda and Kaktou Chojin.

just came here to post this...how could anyone possibly think adding Quran verses is a good idea, especially to a high profile game.


Also, the guy who reported the problem is actually a Microsoft spy trying to sabotage the game.

[Darunia]

is worldwide now

http://threespeech.com/blog/2008/10/littlebigplanet-scees-official-statement/

We’ve just been informed by SCEE that the delay to release is effective worldwide.

[Sho Nuff]

People really need to stop sampling whatever public domain sound effects/instrument library that Quran chant comes from. So far it's been documented in Zelda and Kaktou Chojin.

just came here to post this...how could anyone possibly think adding Quran verses is a good idea, especially to a high profile game.


Also, the guy who reported the problem is actually a Microsoft spy trying to sabotage the game.

I'm sure the SFX library that sample comes from doesn't list it as from the Quran, otherwise nobody in their right mind would use it in their compositions.

[fistfulofmetal]

god damn it.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Wow. Bravo Sony. Bra fucking vo.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Wow.
http://www.mediamolecule.com/2008/10/17/and-in-other-news/

So within 12 hours of hearing about this issue involving a lyric (in Somalian, I believe!), we prepared an automatic day 0 patch and had a new disk image ready; however a decision was made within Sony that the right thing to do for quality and support of people with no on-line was to replace existing disks.

SMH

MM had a patch ready and everything.

[ManaByte]

Oh the irony, GAF is talking about hassling the guy who reported that there might be a problem. ( he didn't even complain, just thought that Sony ought to know )

The best way to fight mindless intolerance is ALWAYS with mindless intolerance.. Who's with me?

I wonder what GAF's resident Muslim extremist mod Dragona thinks of it? Will the guy who reported it be modded for his support of Muslim causes?

[ManaByte]

BTW, some Best Buys in the US broke the street date last week so the offensive version is out in the wild already. WHAT WILL SONY DO ABOUT THAT?

[Crushed]

LOL duckroll locked the GAF thread because "discussing religion is OT."

[ManaByte]

LOL duckroll locked the GAF thread because "discussing religion is OT."

 

[y2kev]

Actually, a patch (which requires an online connection) is not sufficient to defuse the situation. If you have people that are sensitive enough to be offended by the presence of the two lines, then what makes you think they'll be happy with a solution that requires people to connect to the internet and patch? Even a mandatory patch won't reach everyone.

I don't like the idea of a recall, but it has to happen if Sony has chosen that as the way to deflect this situation. I'd like just for once to a company not to compromise "art" for the sake of "religion."

[ManaByte]

COD4 had a ton of Muslim stuff, what did they remove?

[ManaByte]

Jim's reply in that GAF thread made me think of something:

It's background music in the game, and apparently not especially easy to make out. Sackboy isnt running around quoting the Qur'an.

Can you imagine what will happen if someone makes a LBP level with Sackboy dressed as Muhammad running around spouting quotes from the Qur'an

spoiler (click to show/hide)

while blowing up other Sackboys?

[close]

LBP is ripe for that type of abuse, and delaying it over something offensive to Muslims is bound to cause someone to do it.

[Jansen]

lol @ oversensitive religious douchebags

can you import you own music when you make levels? cuz if you can i would expect shitloads of levels with that song now.

[fistfulofmetal]

I'm getting it to do that now. i'm building a WTC out of pieces of cardboard and crashing a plane in to it.

already been done in the beta


and if this game is delayed in NA to Nov 14th, it's pretty much being sent to die.

[ManaByte]

I'm getting it to do that now. i'm building a WTC out of pieces of cardboard and crashing a plane in to it.

already been done in the beta


and if this game is delayed in NA to Nov 14th, it's pretty much being sent to die.

WoW: Lich King
Call of Duty: World at War
Mirror's Edge
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe
Pro Evolution Soccer 2009

Yup.

[Jansen]

i don't think the dude that posted this is gonna survive the banhammer

[y2kev]

Jim's reply in that GAF thread made me think of something:

It's background music in the game, and apparently not especially easy to make out. Sackboy isnt running around quoting the Qur'an.

Can you imagine what will happen if someone makes a LBP level with Sackboy dressed as Muhammad running around spouting quotes from the Qur'an

spoiler (click to show/hide)

while blowing up other Sackboys?

[close]

LBP is ripe for that type of abuse, and delaying it over something offensive to Muslims is bound to cause someone to do it.

Yes, actually. Someone would press START to take a photo of the level and it would be immediately reported to Sony?

[fistfulofmetal]

sigh

well I guess it gives me time to finish Dead Space

[Eel O'Brian]

so i guess my modern art videogame masterpiece "LittleBigPissQur’an" level won't float, then

[Eel O'Brian]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

"there's a crisis SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EAST with some heinous shit being perpetrated by SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EASTERNERS"

[ManaByte]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

But you shot them. With guns.

[Eel O'Brian]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

But you shot them. With guns.

haha, you don't know about the cheat code where you can shoot them with appeasement

[ManaByte]

i didn't play it, but i think it had a recreated Meccah level...

still it's the most played game in the ME (hypocrisy at its finest)

I beat it. And it didn't. It was some made up fake Arab country too. Just the "Middle East" or something like that. Kerblastastan.

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

But you shot them. With guns.

haha, you don't know about the cheat code where you can shoot them with appeasement

The Obama code?

[Eel O'Brian]

they're gonna chase you all over the board now

[y2kev]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

"there's a crisis SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EAST with some heinous shit being perpetrated by SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EASTERNERS"

Middle Easterners (and Arabic speakers) are not always Muslims. Not saying you are saying that, but I would imagine they got around it by not ever having anyone say "death to america, allah is great"

[fistfulofmetal]

i didn't play it, but i think it had a recreated Meccah level...

It did.

You fast roped into the center during a mass prayer. Everyone starts to panic as terrorists ambush your team from all sides. You have to survive the onslaught for several minutes before Jerry the teams tech guru realizes that the big black thing in the center is actually a doorway to the secret terrorist bunker. You then have to go down there and fight your way through waves of terrorists all the way to the big control center.
You plant a charge on the main super computer and then escape in under 30 seconds.
Epic level.

[demi]

Its all Himu's fault.

wat?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

inside joke?

[close]

Himuro decided to be a muslim because he "thought the religion fit him"

Basically he has no idea what he wants and shops around for his beliefs and has others think for him.

[Eel O'Brian]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

"there's a crisis SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EAST with some heinous shit being perpetrated by SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EASTERNERS"

Middle Easterners (and Arabic speakers) are not always Muslims. Not saying you are saying that, but I would imagine they got around it by not ever having anyone say "death to america, allah is great"

i know that, but there was an awful lot of winking and smiling in the references so you knew what they were getting at

i don't care, video games don't offend me in any way

[y2kev]

I don't think Infinity Tard had any other intent, sure. They knew what they were doing. There's no nuance in CoD4.

[ManaByte]

cod4 had the vaguest muslims ever

"there's a crisis SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EAST with some heinous shit being perpetrated by SOMEWHERE-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EASTERNERS"

Middle Easterners (and Arabic speakers) are not always Muslims. Not saying you are saying that, but I would imagine they got around it by not ever having anyone say "death to america, allah is great"

i know that, but there was an awful lot of winking and smiling in the references so you knew what they were getting at

i don't care, video games don't offend me in any way

The Russians were more evil than the Arabs in COD4 anyways.

[Eel O'Brian]

to be honest, i really don't even remember much about the SP in cod4

shortest cod ever

i want a cod civil war so i can yuck it up at the southern stereotyping

btw, the japanese commander voice in the COD: WaW beta is lulz

[Mr. Gundam]

NCSX is shipping them out today, I might order from them.

edit: Sold out. Damn.

[Grecco]

I'm getting it to do that now. i'm building a WTC out of pieces of cardboard and crashing a plane in to it.

already been done in the beta


and if this game is delayed in NA to Nov 14th, it's pretty much being sent to die.

Cant be any worse than releasing it on October Mega Wallet Rape Month

[TVC15]

Oh, PS3.  Oh, Islam.

[y2kev]

Himu continues to destroy everything I hold dear.

[duckman2000]

Oh, just a week? That's not bad.

[CurseoftheGods]

I can wait one week.

[TVC15]

Would Osama have delayed the 9/11 hijackings by a week if he discovered that  there were going to be Somali Islamic chant recordings being played on the plane?  I don't think so.  SMH, Sony.

[demi]

now i know y'all hate someone talking about Islamic teachings atm but bear with me:

one of the basics of Islamic teachings is called "الامر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر" which basically means (roughly translated): "Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"

and it's something that every Muslim should practice.

but here's the interesting part: there are three levels of carrying this over, and has to be done in this order:

1- Prevention of Vice with your "hand": you do this if you have the influence or you're in a position to make call (e.g: a CEO or a government official) =/= violence and burning flags.

now the first level of prevention does not apply to Mr. Yasser, so moves to second level.

2- Prevention of Vice with "tongue": you don't have to power to change stuff with your hand? then voice your inconvenience by voicing you dissatisfaction.

and this is what devout Mr. Yasser has done... but! what if Sony says "no"? then he moves to level 3.

3- Prevention of Vice by "heart": in other words, no one complied? then be dissatisfied on the inside and STFU!!

Long Story Short: Yasser did the right thing as a devout Muslim, Sony has EVERY RIGHT to say no, Yasser becomes one inconvenienced customer and shut the fuck up (or go and complain to the press = another "tonge" to do their part).

in other words: NO ONE SHOULD BLOW ANY FUCKING THING UP. THOSE WHO DO ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THEY'RE TERRORISTS!! I HATE EVERYONE FEARING US AND TREATING US DIFFERENTLY.

if we don't want to play by the rules that apply to others then we should not play at ALL, let's shut ourselves in our bubble of isolation and let everyone live in piece.

I wish Himuro would follow this and shut his mouth up, it would certainly make him more tolerable

[Mr. Gundam]

I can wait a week, I'll have Dead Space, Rock Band 2, Bioshock and Eternal Sonata to tide me over until then. 

Stupid publishers need to spread this crap out throughout the year.

[duckman2000]

I can wait a week, I'll have Dead Space, Rock Band 2, Bioshock and Eternal Sonata to tide me over until then. 

Stupid publishers need to spread this crap out throughout the year.

Ah yes, Dead Space .  I'd add "Resistance 2 beta ", but I'm not sure how I really am about that one.

[Oblivion]

So not only is LBP gonna fail at meeting its sales expectations, but it can't even solve the issue of religious intolerance?

Fuck, Sony can't do ANYTHING right nowadays.

[Flannel Boy]

 
 
 
 
 
 

I should visit the gaming board more often.

[Eel O'Brian]

i was looking forward to a week of fucking around with it until fallout 3 comes out

now it comes out on the same day

looks like lbp can kiss my ass for a month or so

i bet if it was some song that offended christians we'd be playing lbp next week

[ManaByte]

i bet if it was some song that offended christians we'd be playing lbp next week

Yup. And it'd be GAF's Game of the Generation.

[y2kev]

There's nothing in the Bible that says scripture can't be quoted outside of a religious context. One shall not take the Lord's name in vain-- nobody gives a shit about what Paul says.

You have to see what's actually offensive here to notice why this seems extreme. There is no commentary on the lines themselves, and this is not a comment on the faith-- it's a direct quotation.

It'd be like if someone quoted "blessed are the meek" and "one shall not lie with man as one does with woman" in a stage or something.

[Eel O'Brian]

just to clarify, i don't give a fuck who it offends, but this kind of religious sensitivity (insert giant rolleyes) only seems to apply to select religions

fallout 3 wins, hope it's full of religiously offensive material and stereotypes