Tenchu 4 is pretty good!

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Not bad, not bad at all.  The use of waggle is overall minimal and there are some cool news moves.  You can spring up and hide between the corners of walls, or roll out of a hiding spot and stealth kill from the rolling animation. 

There are several different control set-ups, but all of them make use of the Wiimote and nunchuck combo.  With the default set-up, you move around with the analog stick, run with the B button, and perform various actions like stealth kills, picking up bodies and objects, and blowing out candles with the A button.  The Z button gives you free control of the camera, highlighting light sources where you might be seen, places you can safely hide unseen, and shows the enemy's field of view.  All of the other actions, such as rolling, dashing, and jumping, are done by flicking the Wiimote (or the nunchuck) in different directions.  When you go in for a stealth kill, you can also flick the Wiimote in different directions to get different kill animations.  Items you find are mapped to the d-pad.  This simple set-up works pretty well and the minimal use of Wiimote waggle is appreciated.

My only gripe so far is that the fighting system isn't so hot.  They changed it into a turn based first-person attack and defend sword duel.  You have to use the Wiimote to block (similar to one of the micro-games in Made In Wario) and sometimes the directions to turn the controller seem to appear too quickly.  But despite this the game is pretty fun so far.  There is more of an emphasis on stealth than before; getting seen 100% means you can either fight (if you have a weapon) or you get one chance to run away as the guard will slash your clothes up.  The second time you get caught, if you are weaponless and shirtless, you are dead.  The more linear level design helps the stealth mechanics though and the control, even with the waggle, is better than the previous games.  It's much easier to hide somewhere and roll or dash to a closer hiding spot.  The game feels different than before though, and I think some fans are going to dislike the changes.  You don't have as much freedom to go everywhere now, and the grappling hook is gone (at least where I am). 

Rikimaru is the only playable character in the beginning of the game; hopefully Ayame has some sort of game play differences to set her apart from Rikimaru.  If she still uses daggers, I am curious as to how her sword fights play out.

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I always have fun with Tenchu.

[cool breeze]

Acquire does the impossible, makes good game on the Wii.

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I feel that it comprises a "Feudal Japan Trilogy Of Awesomeness," if you will.  You got this, Sengoku Basara 2+Heroes, and Samurai Spirits Rokuban Shoubu.  Of course those two games are on PS2 as well and there is a rumor Tenchu 4 is also hitting the PSP, but that's the Wii for you.

But I don't wanna hype it up yet.  Gotta play further and see how much better it gets beyond the first (essentially training) level.  The level from TGS seems to be level 2, BTW.

[MrAngryFace]

Tenchu Z wasnt bad either, but like all Tenchu games, its around a 7.0-7.5

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Haha awesome, I threw a shuriken at a guy through a hole between some rubble, it hit him, and he fell backwards into the torch behind him and keeled over!  Just got a fishing rod that lets you pick up objects from far away, too.  I ignored the hint in this area telling you to do this and took out all the guards to get the key instead; the key unlocks a door right in the beginning, so there ARE multiple ways to go about areas.  This game is getting better and better...

[MrAngryFace]

The Tenchu games are largely underappreciated. Tenchu Z had cool character growth and customization.

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Yeah, I love me some Tenchu.  But forget those K2-developed games...this is different.  It's a fusion of Tenchu and Shinobido, and it wouldn't surprise me if there are elements from Kamiwaza in there too.  It seems to be getting bigger and bigger, like they start you off in small areas that gradually increase in size.  The enemies are getting a bit smarter too compared to the first stage.

It was also confirmed for me by someone who has played the upcoming U.S. version extensively that they will be fixing the sword fight issues (commands will stay on the screen longer) in the U.S. version among some other tweaks.

I also forgot to mention that there are side missions you can do outside the main game; these are small mini-missions (10 initially available but a total of 50, I am told) that start out very easy (You just kill one guy in the first one and that's it) and get progressively more difficult. There are also unlockable items like a flaming sword that will not break, shoes for running faster, and at least one more playable character. 

My favorite Tenchu games are the original (and its updated Japanese version with level editor), Tenchu 2, Fatal Shadows, the PSP Tenchu, and now this one makes the list too.  I liked Z despite the hate but it had some problems, plus no Ayame-style fighting ability.  That was dumb dumb dumb.

[MrAngryFace]

too bad ill never own a Wiicube

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Tenchu Z wasnt bad either, but like all Tenchu games, its around a 7.0-7.5

Tenchu 1 and 2 were incredible games, it's just that since they left Acquire's amazingly talented hands, it has just been the same thing over and over again.  Shinobido is such an awesome game because it finally feels like the way Tenchu should have been if Acquire didn't leave.  Just to clarify here, I still enjoyed the other Tenchu games (and the Tenchu Z demo which was enough of the game for me).

The only thing I'm worried about right now is if WotS3 will turn out good, or if it will even come to America.  The videos at TGS were pretty poor.

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Beat level 2.  The final room is an two-floored area FILLED with guards and one samurai in the middle.  There are only a few places to hide on the wall where you start and in the middle of the room so it was tricky, but intense...managed to slowly take out every single guard and then caught the samurai when he was drinking.  This game is officially awesome, automatically amazing, etc. etc.  The situations you are thrust into and then have to figure out, like a stealth-puzzle game, are just great and refreshing since you get a couple of chances if you mess up, and you continue in the same area, not from the beginning of the level.  Most fun I've had with my Wii (that will never sound right) this entire year.  Only Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom is going to beat this in my book.

I hope Acquire does this good a job with Way Of The Samurai 3.

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Finished level 5, which unlocks Ayame for play in levels 6-10.  The game's challenge REALLY ramped up during the fifth stage, too.  Unfortunately some of it was due to frustrations with the control; there was an area where you simply need to do some running jumps, and it took an alarming number of retries to clear the stage, as I would just step off the cliff or dash forward instead of jumping.  Switching to control type C helped IMMENSELY; it maps jump to the C button on the nunchuck, but it was still far more difficult than it should have been.  However, this was only one path to the area goal, so in the end I simply went down another route to clear it.

Sword fighting has gotten easier, mainly due to the boss fight in level three.  After that I was even able to take on three enemies in a row with no problems, although you really do have to get the Wiimote turned PERFECTLY or it will not register as a parry, but a block that takes damage off your sword's break meter.  (If it does break, you lose.)

The enemies have gotten more difficult.  In the beginning of the game, a typical guard isn't going to look for you for very long if you get spotted and run or make a noise.  They are fairly dumb and won't check the ceilings either.  But the later enemies will do all of this.  There are even armored samurai who can hear every sound you make, see you peaking around corners, or catch you hugging a wall in a shadowed area.  You have to remain perfectly still in the right spot and jump out to kill them a split second before they find you, or blind them with a smoke bomb if you happen to have one.  Other enemies encountered include sentries in watchtowers (with guns) and other ninjas, who will hide in bushes or up in trees and cannot be seen normally (only when you use ninja vision).

Level 5 seems to be a repeat of an earlier stage, just backwards.  Hopefully not all of her stages are going to be like this, that would be a big disappointment.  But I am still enjoying the game quite a bit and that would not be enough to deter me from finishing it.  I cannot think of any other stealth games where it has felt this satisfying to clear an area without being seen or take everyone out without being noticed.

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Acquire

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

thanks for the impressions.  It sounds like something I'm even more interested in now.

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thanks for the impressions.  It sounds like something I'm even more interested in now.

It's a lot of fun.  I do wish it was on another system; the graphics are...well it's Wii, and I would prefer ZERO waggle, but that hasn't stopped me from really enjoying it.  Kicks Tenchu Z's ass all over the place, that's for sure.  I have been posting my impressions elsewhere as well, and on you-know-where, there is already hate from people who don't like the sound of the changes. 

I *LIKE* that if I want to jump up into the rafters of an indoor area, for example, I just have to hit the A button and jump up.  This way you can get up there QUICKLY and avoid any incoming enemies, as opposed to the old method of having to select the grappling hook, go into first person view, aim, get the reticule to turn red, and then fire.  They cut out this kind of thing and the huge, open levels, and focused more on designing stages broken down into sections, with better design and a focus on using stealth and the environment to get around.  Instead of jumping around wondering where the hell to go, you generally know where the exit is.  The focus is on how you are going to deal with the guards and get there instead.  Taking out lights is also a big focus.  Depending on the type of lantern/candle, you can either blow them out, throw water on them, or cut out the light with a well-placed shuriken or rock throw.  Then you get more places that you can sneak around in unseen.

And less distinguished mentally-challenged A.I. is always a plus.  They start off dumb in the beginning, sure, but I have enjoyed the enemies getting smarter as I have been progressing.

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From what I've seen the graphics are pretty good for the Wii.  Don't forget that this is Acquire, the same developer that is making a game visually on par with the Dreamcast for the PS3.