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Vision of a feminist utopia...
« on: October 28, 2008, 12:08:57 PM »
From Roissy's blog, a perennial favorite of mine (http://roissy.wordpress.com). I think he's going maybe a BIT overboard with this, but unchecked feminism seems to be awfully scary... thankfully there are some women out there who still value a nuclear family and reject feminist ideals. (My dream has always been to come home to a nice cooked meal by a nurturing and loving woman)

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I will now present to you a vision of hell as dreamed up in the minds of the man-hating women who litter internet toilets like Feministing and who live in countries like Sweden, once proud nation of Viking warriors. This is what the world would look like if feminists had their way.

    * Man Tax

Men commit most of the criminal violence against women so it only makes sense according to feminists to tax them for the stress they place upon the social order by their existence. Think tanks (and I use the term loosely) in the USA are seriously considering this measure. Naturally, law-abiding beta males would contribute the most to this anti-man wealth redistribution scheme from men to women. I’m assuming as part of the deal to win passage of this tax real criminals would be let out of prison to ravish the feminists and impregnate them with their dangerously sexy seed.

    * Thought Crimes

Let’s face it: Hate crime legislation is really a Trojan Horse for thought crime laws. These kinds of laws will never be applied fairly or objectively. They will be targeted against men, particularly straight white men, and the ultimate purpose of such laws will be to break their spirits, just like Big Brother did. The justice system was fine before “hate crimes” when criminals were prosecuted for the hateful acts they committed, and not the truly grievous sin of thinking bad thoughts. By the way, I’m wishing Whoopi Goldberg gets run over by a bus. Lock me up!

    * Ban on Porn, Sexbot Research, and Foreign Brides

Porn, the coming sexbot revolution (and it will be a revolution greater than the advent of the Pill, mark my words), and sweet foreign ass all achieve, directly and indirectly, to chip away at female sexual market power. More sexual choice for men means less mating choice prerogative for women. Feminists loathe the idea of men having freedom of choice in the sexual market.

    * Mandatory Castration for Crimes Against Women

If a man hits a woman during a domestic dispute, it’ll be straight to the snippity snip chair for him. Sounds implausible? Oh, my naive readers, you just lack imagination. Given complete freedom to mold the world in the way they see fit, I predict the majority of self-declared feminists would passively welcome this kind of draconian anti-male society. Sure, the beta males would bitch and moan, but who cares about them?

    * Rape = Death Penalty

Feminists are usually leftwingers who are against capital punishment, but they’ll make an exception for rapists. This includes “date rapes” where the girl and guy were drunk and banged one out on a grimy couch in a frat house and she regretted it the next morning, and he neglected to be responsible for her morning-after feelings before he funneled eight cans of Miller Lite. But don’t worry, feminists will still be against the death penalty for mass murderers as long as their targets are mostly other men.

    * Better Pay

Even though the supposed injustice of “equal pay” is a farce, feminists in a perfect feminist world won’t be happy with anything less than “better pay”. They will justify this as a reparations plan to rectify the pain and suffering women have had to endure at the hands of men for thousands of years. And they will insist that women deserve higher pay for the same work because they juggle career and family.

    * Legalized Polygamy

The soft polygamy that has metastasized throughout Western society since the sexual revolution will be codified in law. The West will slowly return to a primitive state of nature, where 60% of the men got no pussy at all. Eventually, the pendulum will swing back once basic infrastructure begins to crumble as the betas decide their services are no longer appreciated. The masterworks of beta cooperation will be a relic of the past.

    * Ban on DNA Paternity Testing

This is as good as done if countermeasures aren’t taken. There’s a reason feminists are beginning to advocate against paternity testing — the smarter ones among their ranks understand that it shifts the balance of power decidedly in favor of beta males. Feminists want to retain the privilege of cuckolding. It is a power too good to abdicate, because it offers complete freedom from compromise with men to pursue sex and resources in the way they want. Paternity testing will mean an end to fucking alphas on the side and tricking betas into footing the bill. It will mean women will have to be more responsible and forward-thinking, instead of blindly following their vaginas.

    * Sexual Harassment Laws Expanded

If you are an unacceptable male who looks one second too long at a woman you can be tried for sexual harassment. The penalties, of course, will be more severe. If you are an alpha male who can read women’s minds and know which women will welcome your advances, you are free to harass with impunity. The laws are meant to make the job of attracting alpha attention and shaming beta attention more convenient for women.

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Don’t think for a minute feminists wouldn’t welcome this dystopian femicentric world where betas are utterly emasculated and serve only as goo fodder for women and the alpha males they’d fuck on a rotating basis. I used to think such a world was an impossibity, but Sweden is now requiring that their men sit to pee. It’s no longer in the realm of fantasy.
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Re: Vision of a feminist utopia...
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 12:10:22 PM »
unchecked ANYTHING is pretty scary. Like furries.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 12:13:03 PM »
This is pretty much Obama is a radical Muslim black militant socialist stuff, only applied to a large, vaguely defined group of people.

I'd like to think that the sexbot line is a wink to the audience, but probably not.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 12:48:19 PM »
I took a 'gender philosophy' class, which pretty much turned out to be straight-up feminism propaganda.  It was scary how some of these girls thought.  It was mostly fat chicks who felt victimized and seemed to have no problem using unequal treatment towards men to rectify their problems and 'correct' society. 

very fun class though.  i loved breaking up the monotony of group-think, emotional arguments with logic.

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 01:10:57 PM »
poor roissy, trying to have his cake and eat it, too! hint: it's very hard to be both victimizer and victim, unless you're a masochist, which he might very well be.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 01:14:52 PM »
I go to Berea College, and we have tons of feminists, and none of them are this bad.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 01:19:24 PM »
roissy's pretty shrill. he shouldn't let his dating advice leak into his politics, because he goes from winking observer to histrionic limpwrister at the drop of a tampon.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 01:26:57 PM »
roissy's pretty shrill. he shouldn't let his dating advice leak into his politics, because he goes from winking observer to histrionic limpwrister at the drop of a tampon.

Yeah, although I think some of his dating advice can be very good, his political advice isn't well researched at all.  He claims to not follow any particular leaning and won't vote, but his reader base is mostly paleocon. My big fear with the so-called "feminist nation" is the worry about cuckolding and raising another's child. I fully support paternity tests because of stuff like this. Not to mention I don't think banning foreign brides is fair, especially for some people here who seem to be overly attracted to Eastern European women ;)
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Re: Vision of a feminist utopia...
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 01:33:12 PM »
I really don't believe that women could ever stay organized long enough to form any sort of solid, sociopolitical and legal system. That is what will always save men; women can't work with women.

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 01:49:11 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 01:53:21 PM »
Also, this sounds more like a liberal utopia than a feminist Utopia. It's no surprise that liberals get all the feminists votes.

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 02:33:27 PM »
roissy's pretty shrill. he shouldn't let his dating advice leak into his politics, because he goes from winking observer to histrionic limpwrister at the drop of a tampon.

Yeah, although I think some of his dating advice can be very good, his political advice isn't well researched at all.  He claims to not follow any particular leaning and won't vote, but his reader base is mostly paleocon. My big fear with the so-called "feminist nation" is the worry about cuckolding and raising another's child. I fully support paternity tests because of stuff like this. Not to mention I don't think banning foreign brides is fair, especially for some people here who seem to be overly attracted to Eastern European women ;)

well, there's a pretty big gulf between the observation that women like confident and chronically polyamorous dudes with a penchant for hair-pulling rough sex and OMG THE EVIL PANTSUITS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN'T FUCK ASIANS
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Re: Vision of a feminist utopia...
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 03:12:05 PM »
any pics of roissy?

or is he just another one of those anonymous internet "alpha male dating gurus" who posts on his anonymous blog about all the anonymous chicks he fucks

with a dash of wit, charm, sarcasm and misogyny, of course
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 03:22:48 PM »
any pics of roissy?

or is he just another one of those anonymous internet "alpha male daring gurus" who posts on his anonymous blog about all the anonymous chicks he fucks

with a dash of wit, charm, sarcasm and misogyny, of course

Supposedly, this is a pic of him:

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 03:25:17 PM »
any pics of roissy?

or is he just another one of those anonymous internet "alpha male daring gurus" who posts on his anonymous blog about all the anonymous chicks he fucks

with a dash of wit, charm, sarcasm and misogyny, of course

I think Roissy is that guy who wrote his system for assigning women a numerical rating.  The one that gave bonus points if they acted like a small penis was a big one.

Draw your own conclusions.

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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 03:54:38 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 04:09:11 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?

Exactly. I'm sure we all envision the daily sex, but dinner is negotiable.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 04:19:15 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?

Hey now, the best way to a man's heart is through his stomach...
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 04:20:25 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?

Exactly. I'm sure we all envision the daily sex, but dinner is negotiable.

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Yeah, the meal is more likely

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 04:31:58 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?

A person with Mommy issues. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 04:41:35 PM »
seriously though, saying feminism is about man-hating is about as true as saying that liberals hate america
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2008, 04:42:49 PM »
what kind of huge flaming cigarillo dreams of having a wife that will have a home-cooked meal waiting for him when he comes home?

A person with Mommy issues. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 05:30:15 PM »
not sure why cooking is a woman's job, outside of wanting the woman to be your mommy, or because you're desperate to keep the woman in a submissive, non-threatening role -- either way isn't terribly flattering to you
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2008, 05:38:25 PM »
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Sweden is now requiring that their men sit to pee.

Is this true?!

:piss Sweden :piss2
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2008, 06:14:00 PM »
not sure why cooking is a woman's job, outside of wanting the woman to be your mommy, or because you're desperate to keep the woman in a submissive, non-threatening role -- either way isn't terribly flattering to you


Because I don't know how to cook very well, aside from BBQing (and even that I'm still learning at).
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2008, 07:06:33 PM »
he's confused feminism with female-fascism, which doesn't actually exist.
but what the hell, most conservatives make that same mistake and operate successfully under that same assumption.

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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 08:44:24 PM »
not sure why cooking is a woman's job, outside of wanting the woman to be your mommy, or because you're desperate to keep the woman in a submissive, non-threatening role -- either way isn't terribly flattering to you



Because I don't know how to cook very well, aside from BBQing (and even that I'm still learning at).

but does that make it the WOMAN'S job? specifically, what about the act of cooking makes it one gender's responsibility

unless you like like your meals seasoned with menses and/or coozle
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 11:04:36 PM »
not sure why cooking is a woman's job, outside of wanting the woman to be your mommy, or because you're desperate to keep the woman in a submissive, non-threatening role -- either way isn't terribly flattering to you



Because I don't know how to cook very well, aside from BBQing (and even that I'm still learning at).

but does that make it the WOMAN'S job? specifically, what about the act of cooking makes it one gender's responsibility

unless you like like your meals seasoned with menses and/or coozle

No, I didn't say it was the woman's job, only that it would be a really great trait to have in a partner if she was skilled at cooking and liked to cook for me. I've dated a few girls like this so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility...
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 11:23:10 PM »
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betas are utterly emasculated and serve only as goo fodder for women

I did a google search for "goo fodder" but didn't find anything obviously relevant.  Anyone know what he's talking about?
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 01:58:21 AM »
From what I've read I'm not sure that Roissy's a good model for going after women.

He spends a ton of time and energy pursuing people he doesn't like or respect, constantly scheming ways to win their approval and affection.  Even if he's successful that doesn't sound terribly appealing.

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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2008, 09:47:53 AM »
The thing with the whole pick up artist culture is that many of the guys were former nerds with very little success with women (in fact, in Roissy's posts, he sometimes makes brief and obscure references to Dune, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, sci-fi nerd type stuff). So, when they finally learned "game", and started attracting women, they tend to take their aggression over their previous failures out on them, via "pumping-and-dumping" and aggressive posts online about it.

I think PUA's have some very good ideas and advice, especially in regards to building up self-esteem ("inner game" they call it), not appearing needy, and creating attraction via flirting. As someone who suffered with low self-esteem most of his life, reading this stuff (and also going to the gym, getting LASIK, getting some new clothes) has helped me a whole ton. As someone who wanted to know WHY women say one thing but want something else, game and to a lesser extent, evopsych, helped clear some stuff up. I went from being extremely passive and wishy-washy, to the only person in my group who isn't afraid to approach girls at a bar, to someone who isn't afraid to tell a girl "no" or stick up for myself. I went from someone who went "I dunno what to do, what do you wanna do?", to someone who picks the date spots. From someone who was afraid to even touch a girl, to someone who usually gets makeouts by the second date. From someone that sought female approval, to someone that isn't afraid to challenge a woman. Since the start of the year, it is rare that I'm not either dating, or in a relationship. Last year I couldn't even get a follow-up date with most girls I dated. Now, I got a 3rd date with a cute redhead on Saturday even 8)

But of course there are negatives. I would hate to fall into a trap where I get so good at meeting and banging women, that I start to see them as all the same and objectify them (an important theme of "The Game", by Neil Strauss, the book that started the whole PUA movement).
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2008, 11:43:37 AM »
I like PUA manuals if they're Kierkegaard's Diary of the Seducer

also, I hate to criticize but if the secret goal is just to be part of an alpha male's (which = Marxists per comment #3, so I guess I'm included, on some days of the week) harem, isn't the feminist movement a rather roundabout means of achieving that?  don't get me wrong, it's sweet that you went to all that effort but really, girls, you only had to ask
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Re: Vision of a feminist utopia...
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2008, 11:55:25 AM »
This Roissy fellow sounds like a clot.
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2008, 12:44:37 PM »
any pics of roissy?

or is he just another one of those anonymous internet "alpha male dating gurus" who posts on his anonymous blog about all the anonymous chicks he fucks

with a dash of wit, charm, sarcasm and misogyny, of course

Why is the internet full of these men? So lame :/

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2008, 01:18:29 PM »
That's a strange metaphor.
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2008, 01:45:14 PM »
any pics of roissy?

or is he just another one of those anonymous internet "alpha male dating gurus" who posts on his anonymous blog about all the anonymous chicks he fucks

with a dash of wit, charm, sarcasm and misogyny, of course

Why is the internet full of these men? So lame :/

The internet more-so seems full of "I can't get girls to like me" type men.

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2008, 01:59:49 PM »
I think I've figured out NYC-Bore

Tiesto: Brucie
Beezy: Little Jacob
Cajole: Packie
Tauntaun: Bernie
Eric P: Nico
AdmiralViscen: Roman
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2008, 02:01:34 PM »
I think I've figured out NYC-Bore

Tiesto: Brucie
Beezy: Little Jacob
Cajole: Packie
Tauntaun: Bernie
Eric P: Nico
AdmiralViscen: Roman

??? Can you explain this reference... thanks.
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2008, 02:01:54 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2008, 12:39:19 AM »
'playing the game' doesn't exist   :lol

If you really think your dorky ass is looking any less dorky when you go out to a club and 'play the game', then you are deluding yourself.  It's not that you've become less dorky, it's that you've become more confident, and confident men will find a women to be with, it doesn't matter if you have dorky habits or have some awkward personality traits.  Except now you're only confident in yourself insofar as you know these fruity-assed moves that are a total fabrication, a high maintenance parasite on your libidinal energy, and now you're with a girl who either likes these 'moves' which, again, you would never, ever do under normal circumstances because they're so flamboyant and contrived, or you're with a girl who likes awkward, dorky men (because this shit has NOT been hidden) and likes you regardless, but you would never know to relax because your esteem isn't invested in yourself, it's invested in a dog and pony show. 

I myself take to the 'show the girl you're a bit of a dick' approach to flirting.  But that's because I'm a bit of a dick.  It takes absolutely no energy whatsoever.  How many hours in a given week are you devoting to this shit? 

It also seems to me that it's not that the men who use these gimmicks cant find girls, it's that they can't find hot girls, and they are unwilling to get with girls in their own league because they're insecure little shits obsessed with image.  Practice is how you gain confidence.  There are no shortcuts.

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2008, 09:55:43 AM »
It also seems to me that it's not that the men who use these gimmicks cant find girls, it's that they can't find hot girls, and they are unwilling to get with girls in their own league because they're insecure little shits obsessed with image.  Practice is how you gain confidence.  There are no shortcuts.


Wait... so wanting a good looking girl who may be out of your league is because you're insecure with yourself? And not because... umm... you're attracted to them?
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2008, 12:15:56 PM »
Look, everyone wants to bang the prom queen, but not everyone bases their self-worth on whether they get the opportunity.  I'm not saying you shouldn't try to bang the prom queen.  I'm just saying that when she says no, you shouldn't be so centrally invested that you spend much of your time trying to circumvent the possibility that pretty women will say no to you... 

but I don't mean to shit in your cereal, so...go fukk those dumb cunts  8)
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