ELECTION DAY THREAD - HISTORY MADE. OBAMA IS PRESIDENT. McCAIN AM CRYING.

[Mandark]

This election kind of sucks aside from Obama winning and Liddy Dole losing. 

-Prop 8 passes
-Alaska seems ok with sending Senator "Convicted Felon" Tubes back to the Senate just to see him get booted
-Michelle Bachmann, the odious Diaz-Balart brothers and all assorted other gross Congress critters got sent back
-Looks like Obama's not gonna have much in the way of coat tails- Senate races in OR and MN are too close to call but trending to the Republicans.

In the big picture, how awesome is it that you're disappointed by six seats in the Senate, twenty odd in the House, and 364 electoral votes?

I'm not sure that Obama has no coattails.  Most of the pickups seem to be in swing states where he campaigned.  Maybe he could have tipped the Oregon and Minnesota Senate races, but it was probably the right call to stay on offense in the '04 red states.

And as much as I've been pimping the demographic plate-shifting, it takes time and there's still a lot of Republicans out there who aren't going away.

[Phoenix Dark]

Stevens is going to be forced to resign

Say hello to Senator Sarah Palin!

[Eric P]

still can't believe that VA flipped.

[Eric P]

Stevens is going to be forced to resign

Say hello to Senator Sarah Palin!

oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

[Mr. Gundam]

We ended up in Capitol Hill (Seattle) late last night, it was absolutely incredible.

[Phoenix Dark]

She could replace Stevens with herself; there will probably be a special election but seriously, it's not like she'd lose.

Palin in the senate would be amazing. 

[Eric P]

which campaign ideal are you hoping becomes a reality?

my own dream is the whole universal health care thing.

[Mandark]

which campaign ideal are you hoping becomes a reality?

my own dream is the whole universal health care thing.

Foreign policy being my hobbyhorse, I'd love to see Iran brought in from the cold.

[Eric P]

i would really like an over all lack of sabre rattling in our foreign policy.  less "evil doers"

though i love that russia is already pushing missiles into the baltics to invalidate our missile shield

[Phoenix Dark]

Energy policy/job creation for me, at least in the sense that it seems like one of the more doable things given the current economic status. The possibilities are amazing, and while we won't be weened off oil anytime soon I really think the job creation potential would really help the country, especially states like Michigan

And on the foreign policy side...common sense, common sense. That's what we'll get

[Eric P]

And on the foreign policy side...common sense, common sense. That's what we'll get

far better than the myth of american supremacy

[Mandark]

In general, I'm looking forward to this:

Politics becomes interesting again. For eight long years, the country has been run by hateful, blinkered people. During this time, and especially over the last four years, politics has only been interesting because it involves issues vital to our lives and often to the fate of humanity. What’s been largely missing is a sense that an intelligent contribution to political discourse could ever have a meaningful impact on the people who actually make decisions. For all the disagreements among Obama supporters, I think that there’s going to be a real, and extremely refreshing sense, that political debate is an area in which intelligent, well-argued, evidence-backed contributions might conceivably sway reasonable people in positions in power. A lot of very smart people all over the country are going to find that wildly exhilarating. There’s an incredible amount of pent up energy, enthusiasm and ideas out there. May it make a difference.

The adults are back in charge!

[Eric P]

also, yay science

i can't believe the utter shift that we'll undergo (hopefully)

[Mr. Gundam]

CNN just called Indiana for Obama.

[Phoenix Dark]

-- McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obama-we-cant-solve-globa_n_141358.html

Ouch.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I might move to Mass soon. Fuck NH and they're turning down Common Sense laws.

[Bocsius]

Energy and health care are the issues I'm interested in seeing addressed.

Also, hopefully we will find that all Americans will have a voice, not just corporations wealthy enough to buy a politician's ear.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'm not expecting too much.

- Obama's tax plan will get watered down so it can pass.  Lower and middle class families will get less relief and the upper class will have their tax increases reduced.

- Due to the massive deficits, I wouldn't expect huge amounts of money to go towards technology until we're on track to have a surplus.  He might in the second term.

- No nationalized health care in either terms.  There will be talk of it but not a lot of action.

- Foreign policy won't be much different.  It isn't like either McCain or Obama can afford the wars for too much longer anyway.  To prove that he is tough, I will expect toned down forms of sabre rattling but not even close to the extent of Bush.

The only thing I really want is a concrete plan to start paying off the massive national debt.  No sense paying $300+ billion on interest.

[Phoenix Dark]

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GTFO

[MrAngryFace]

I'm not expecting too much.

- Obama's tax plan will get watered down so it can pass.  Lower and middle class families will get less relief and the upper class will have their tax increases reduced.

- Due to the massive deficits, I wouldn't expect huge amounts of money to go towards technology until we're on track to have a surplus.  He might in the second term.

- No nationalized health care in either terms.  There will be talk of it but not a lot of action.

- Foreign policy won't be much different.  It isn't like either McCain or Obama can afford the wars for too much longer anyway.  To prove that he is tough, I will expect toned down forms of sabre rattling but not even close to the extent of Bush.

The only thing I really want is a concrete plan to start paying off the massive national debt.  No sense paying $300+ billion on interest.

HERE CUMS THE EVILBORE BACKLASH

"Man I hope he wins!" -- "HE WON!" -- "He wont be that good or different anyway, im so objective"

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

No backlash but facing a trillion dollar deficit from 2008 alone means a lot of his plans are going to have to be set on the backburner.

[Phoenix Dark]

True, True

Which is why stuff like energy could see traction early in his term. There will be bi-partisan support, Obama is willing to let the republicans drill baby drill, McCain will probably get on board to help save his image, etc.

Foreign policy is going to be very different, come on. First off we won't see any unilateral wars built on lies

You're probably right on taxes, but lower/middle class families will definitely get a cut.

[MrAngryFace]

Its not hard to make the tax cut to middle class Obama once, since the tax situation was the same in the Clinton Era.

Nothing he's asking for tax wise is drastic. Even at 250k its like 130 dollars more. It doesnt get large until your a millionaire and at that point 'fuck you money fuck'

[Eric P]

at which point all of the millionaires will leave and take their companies with them


like haliburton did.







wait a tick...

[MrAngryFace]

companies are global these days, where they gonna go? Mars?

If anything the recent global economic crisis has proven that despite globalization, the united states is still essential to any large corps business strategy.

[Eric P]

well it is the red planet

[Phoenix Dark]

True but the republicans in the senate/house are gonna throw a bitch-fest over the tax increases on rich folk. We haven't heard the last of the socialism bullshit

[MrAngryFace]

fuck the republicans, what are they gonna do in senate.

[Phoenix Dark]

block shit?

[MrAngryFace]

haha

[MrAngryFace]

even if they still have BARELY enough to block, not everyone marked republican in senate will vote with the rest of them. The opposite could also be true of course, but it will be MUCH easier from this point on.

[Kestastrophe]

True but the republicans in the senate/house are gonna throw a bitch-fest over the tax increases on rich folk. We haven't heard the last of the socialism bullshit

I don't know about that. Obama's campaign is paradigm shifting in that it proved that you don't need to rely on the rich elite (although having supporters such as Buffet help) for cash. He tapped the Internet and reached out to the everyman and hauled in record amounts. If the republicans are smart they will copy that strategy, become more centrist, and will do less to please the rich.

[MrAngryFace]

Plus unlike the pres weve had the past 8 years, Obama IS about compromise.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

So you might say then that Obama will compromise with the Republicans and alter his tax plan?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

We also have one of the worst first ladys ever coming into office. She is a bigot and should be dropped from all attention forever.

[patrickula]

The more positive campaign actually won this time too.  Hopefully this will be a continuing trend.

[TakingBackSunday]

We also have one of the worst first ladys ever coming into office. She is a bigot and should be dropped from all attention forever.

 

[MrAngryFace]

So you might say then that Obama will compromise with the Republicans and alter his tax plan?

No, I dont think he could get away with that, as it was the centerpiece of his campaign. Republicans also know that backing McCain policy isnt exactly popular with the people that will ever get them into office either.

I dont know why anyone in this thread is pretending the republican party, as it currently stands, has any real power anymore. There needs to be change on their end.

[Kestastrophe]

dude, its not 2004 and Theresa Heinz Kerry is not the new first lady

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Michelle is up there though, she's still a racist.

[MrAngryFace]

I thought you'd be grown up about losing lol

[Phoenix Dark]

We also have one of the worst first ladys ever coming into office. She is a bigot and should be dropped from all attention forever.

What the fuck?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I thought you'd be grown up about losing lol

I'm excited for Obama, but not the first lady.

[Kestastrophe]

I dont know why anyone in this thread is pretending the republican part, as it currently stands, has any real power anymore. There needs to be change on their end.

For starters, they could start actually being fiscally conservative and support a less interventionist foreign policy, two things which have historically been their strongest points.

[MrAngryFace]

They should just reform the party under Powell

[Kestastrophe]

I thought you'd be grown up about losing lol

I'm excited for Obama, but not the first lady.

I know, she is going to run this country into the ground 

[T234]

HAVE FUN IN THE HANDHELD MUSIC DEVICE GHETTO METHODIS

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The more positive campaign actually won this time too.  Hopefully this will be a continuing trend.

I like the Democratic plan: positive campaign but willing to stand up for themselves.  This should be crucial for several seats in 2010 that may now go to Democrats, achieving that supermajority that I wished happened last night.

The GOP will keep being negative for some time.

[Eric P]

lol

methodis

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I thought you'd be grown up about losing lol

I'm excited for Obama, but not the first lady.

I know, she is going to run this country into the ground 

I wholly expect her to be a new member on The View.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Oh and LOL @ Yes on Prop 8.

Stupid California.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

So you might say then that Obama will compromise with the Republicans and alter his tax plan?

No, I dont think he could get away with that, as it was the centerpiece of his campaign. Republicans also know that backing McCain policy isnt exactly popular with the people that will ever get them into office either.

I dont know why anyone in this thread is pretending the republican party, as it currently stands, has any real power anymore. There needs to be change on their end.

It still has some power.  It took a big hit but some left last night unscathed.  They might talk a little different now but they all got into their seats because of the rich and because of their negative campaigning.  For some of these guys, it was the only way they know how to act, politically.

Plus then you have conservative Democratic senators that might not be too trustworthy and facing a tough re-election if they were to just follow Obama.

[Eric P]

a lot of that depends on how Obama does in 2009 and 2010

[Kestastrophe]

The GOP will keep being negative for some time.

I think it's pretty telling how out of touch the party is when McCain supporters booed the mentioning of Obama at his concession speech last night, while literally 2/3 of the U.S. and most of the world (cept Russia) rejoices over his election. Not to mention resorting to perpetuating racial ignorance and hate concerning Obama's ethnicity and his patriotism.

[Phoenix Dark]

Obama 

-- The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obama-we-cant-solve-globa_n_141358.html

[Eric P]

The GOP will keep being negative for some time.

I think it's pretty telling how out of touch the party is when McCain supporters booed the mentioning of Obama at his concession speech last night, while literally 2/3 of the U.S. and most of the world (cept Russia) rejoices over his election. Not to mention resorting to perpetuating racial ignorance and hate concerning Obama's ethnicity and his patriotism.

"don't boo.  just vote"

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I don't want a president who swears.

[ferrarimanf355]

I don't feel like registering on this site to rub it in, can someone else do it for me?

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=66754&page=10

The ignorance there is astounding...

Nobody's taking one for the team and defending the nicca there?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I'll do it.

[ferrarimanf355]

I'll do it.

Thank you. Remind them how terrible Bush was, list the Bush controversies over the years, and tell them to put down the crack pipe and that the nicca won't take away any freedoms.

I'll join you later and go /b/tarded on their asses.