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« Reply #240 on: November 15, 2008, 06:17:52 PM »
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« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2008, 06:34:38 PM »
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« Reply #242 on: November 15, 2008, 06:37:52 PM »
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Why?  Jonah Goldberg tells me that racism was over as early as 1968.

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« Reply #243 on: November 15, 2008, 09:26:09 PM »
This is stupid bullshit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/us/politics/16blackberry.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Sorry, Mr. President. Please surrender your BlackBerry.

Those are seven words President-elect Barack Obama is dreading but expecting to hear, friends and advisers say, when he takes office in 65 days.

For years, like legions of other professionals, Mr. Obama has been all but addicted to his BlackBerry. The device has rarely been far from his side — on most days, it was fastened to his belt — to provide a singular conduit to the outside world as the bubble around him grew tighter and tighter throughout his campaign.

“How about that?” Mr. Obama replied to a friend’s congratulatory e-mail message on the night of his victory.

But before he arrives at the White House, he will probably be forced to sign off. In addition to concerns about e-mail security, he faces the Presidential Records Act, which puts his correspondence in the official record and ultimately up for public review, and the threat of subpoenas. A decision has not been made on whether he could become the first e-mailing president, but aides said that seemed doubtful.

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« Reply #244 on: November 15, 2008, 09:34:42 PM »
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Why?  Jonah Goldberg tells me that racism was over as early as 1968.

i just think that...you know what?  nevermind
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« Reply #245 on: November 15, 2008, 09:45:05 PM »
Also, I read in the Wall Street Journal that racism is a myth and Obama is obligated to help put an end to that myth.

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« Reply #246 on: November 15, 2008, 10:22:12 PM »
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Why?  Jonah Goldberg tells me that racism was over as early as 1968.

It's a wonder he hasn't died from the stupid yet.
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« Reply #247 on: November 15, 2008, 10:27:02 PM »

*bookmarks site for late night lols*
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« Reply #248 on: November 15, 2008, 11:33:02 PM »
What do you think about her being SoS? Is it a good fit in your opinion, perhaps more so than Kerry or Richardson, or worse?

You're just trolling me into writing a wall of text with that one.

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« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2008, 04:03:17 AM »
Quote from: Rough transcription of Green Shinobi
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341786&page=2

We shouldn't do anything about offshoring?  SMH.  It's not just automakers getting laid off.  It's people losing their programming jobs to India.  At what point does the US say we're not cool with this?

First, you're accusing me of ignoring the problems when I'm just objecting to your proposed solutions.  "Oh, so you think Saddam's a cool dude?"

Second, you're seeing causation where there isn't even correlation.  There are no jobs right now because we're in the middle of a recession which was not caused by outsourcing.  If we're in the shit now as a result of all the work going overseas, you'd think some foreign markets would reflect this, as they're apparently getting all our plum jobs.  That's not happening.

Third, you still aren't thinking through the consequences.  So you don't allow American companies to pay programmers who live in other countries.  Fine.

But assuming those foreign programmers are more cost-effective (and they are, or they wouldn't be siphoning those jobs in the first place), then a foreign company will hire them to do the same thing and sell the product in the US.

Which means you'd have to impose some stiff tariffs to keep them out.  Rinse and repeat for every industry you want to protect, and assume other countries won't mind this one bit.

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« Reply #250 on: November 16, 2008, 07:13:28 PM »
Actually, I didn't accuse you of ignoring the problem there before I decided I didn't want to start this argument up again. I objected to your position that the U.S. government shouldn't introduce penalties for offshoring. With that said, here's a question: what would you propose we do about the loss of American middle-class jobs to poorer countries?
how about you - but not just you, the collective consumer in america - decrease their preference for cheaper, outsourced goods? Which is pretty much everything, from electronics or foods, to service.

There's really very few things that we love and use that are not outsourced.  Think about that.

and i'm not saying i necesarily disagree with you, rather that globalism's benefits and failures depend on which end of the gunbarrel you are facing.  You and I, as US middle class consumers,, are facing the end with the trigger, while the guys that lose their jobs in US/the poor Third World guys who get shitty low paying abusive jobs are facing the other end of the barrel.  It benefits some at the expense of others, and it is benefiting consumers like us in this forum.

i'm not saying this is ok, or that we should continue this, but if you want to provide barriers for outsourcing, you gotta come up with solutions that address all these quirks.
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« Reply #251 on: November 16, 2008, 11:23:34 PM »
With that said, here's a question: what would you propose we do about the loss of American middle-class jobs to poorer countries?

My answer is to not accept the burden of proof by answering a loaded question.  "What should we do about the threat posed by Saddam?"  "What should we do about the massive long term deficit in the Social Security account?"

From the link you posted:

Quote from: AbortedWalrusFetus
I dunno, I got my job pretty easily after college, and I started at $60k. I work for a small software development firm of about eight people. I live in Philadelphia though, and the north-east probably has a much better job market than a lot of places. I can imagine that jobs in software development could be pretty hard to get if you live in certain areas. As far as the field as a whole goes, everything I can see points to it becoming less and less outsourced. Every article I read on project management are all saying the same thing; outsourcing software development doesn't work. I suppose as Agile and XP become more standard practices they're starting to realize that the model just doesn't work for outsourced development.


The question is what do *you* propose we do?  And while we're at it, why should we accept a zero-sum model of the world economy?



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« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2008, 08:18:02 PM »
Wow. ???
Regarding the auto bail out,  I just heard on CNN that Bush and the GOP wants to use the $25B earmarked for the re-tooling of the auto industry toward hybrid/green vehicles toward the general money wanted BEFORE any other money was to be lent to the auto makers.
Yes, Bush and the GOP want to take money from investing in making more fuel efficient vehicles to prop up the big 3.

I wonder whose pocket the GOP is in?
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« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2008, 08:26:43 PM »
Honestly, that's probably the best option right now.  Obama and his gargantuan new majorities in both houses can just give another 25 billion for re-tooling in January or February.  Or more likely make it part of a completely new bill overhauling the auto industry.
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« Reply #254 on: November 17, 2008, 09:49:42 PM »
I don't understand this whole retooling shit when the Big 3 (well, Ford and GM) have already been improving fuel economy.

Cobalt, G5 - best compact fuel economy, Focus right behind them tied with Civic adn Corolla
Malibu/G6/Aura - best midsize fuel economy
Escape/Mariner - best small crossover fuel economy
Tahoe/Yukon - Best fullsize SUV fuel economy
Silverado/Sierra - best truck fuel economy
Acadia/Traverse/Outlook/Enclave/Flex - best large crossover fuel economy

And Ford is primed to roll out their Ecoboost line of engines in the next 6 months which will show even more improvements. Chrysler is the one who is fucked in that regard, and you can blame the Germans for that.

BTW most of these economy improvements were done by tweaking existing vehicles, actual ground-up new vehicles will be even better.
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« Reply #255 on: November 17, 2008, 09:56:43 PM »
Seriously, $25 billion is nothing. Attach it to the Card Check bill and nobody will notice.

The real interesting thing will be to see how he handles all these states and municipalities asking for bailouts. The mayors of Philly, Atlanta, and Phoenix all asked for a bailout today. California needs like $12 billion. I believe New Jersey needs some billions too.

I read that Congress won't pass another stimulus plan in the lame duck session. So, that means it'll have to wait until January when the new Congress is sworn in. Meanwhile Roubini says anything short of $600 billion will deepen and protract the recession.

The deficits in Obama's first term will easily push $3 trillion. Anyone still think that middle class tax cut is gonna happen?

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« Reply #256 on: November 17, 2008, 10:01:39 PM »
Can someone explain to me (a poor ignant furrner) how a state that creates so much wealth as California could possibly be losing so much money? Who stole the cheese?
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« Reply #257 on: November 17, 2008, 10:03:04 PM »
In the past ten years they've increased spending by 92%.

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« Reply #258 on: November 17, 2008, 10:20:22 PM »
Can someone explain to me (a poor ignant furrner) how a state that creates so much wealth as California could possibly be losing so much money? Who stole the cheese?

People put up propositions that cost money (sometimes a LOT) without thinking of anyway to pay for them.

California is like Hollywood, people don't really understand the concept of money.

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« Reply #259 on: November 17, 2008, 10:30:24 PM »
Man, I hope I get like a weeks advance notice when Maddow has the day off, I couldnt watch 5 minutes into a huffington/maher episode of the Maddow show.
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« Reply #260 on: November 17, 2008, 11:11:33 PM »
Seriously, $25 billion is nothing. Attach it to the Card Check bill and nobody will notice.

The real interesting thing will be to see how he handles all these states and municipalities asking for bailouts. The mayors of Philly, Atlanta, and Phoenix all asked for a bailout today. California needs like $12 billion. I believe New Jersey needs some billions too.

I read that Congress won't pass another stimulus plan in the lame duck session. So, that means it'll have to wait until January when the new Congress is sworn in. Meanwhile Roubini says anything short of $600 billion will deepen and protract the recession.

The deficits in Obama's first term will easily push $3 trillion. Anyone still think that middle class tax cut is gonna happen?

Sure, why not?  In fact I think that not only will the tax credits happen immediately, the rollback on the top bracket won't happen immediately.  Nor will there be immediate capital gains increases.  The Estate Tax will probably happen immediately, tho.

Roubini is right- this is not the time for small thinking.  Krugman says so as well.  Bigger will be better.  The cool thing is that a lot of the money that will be spent will create jobs pretty quickly, which will result in fewer people drawing unemployment and actually paying taxes.  We're gonna get all Keynesian (for lack of a better term) up in this bitch in the 21st century.  Friedman-ites are NOT invited!

MAF- I know, ew.  They should have gotten that hawt Ana Marie Cox to guest host.
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« Reply #261 on: November 17, 2008, 11:12:53 PM »
Dog Days kind of sucked.
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« Reply #262 on: November 17, 2008, 11:14:42 PM »
Dog Days kind of sucked.

Sure, but I don't want to read her books I want to have dirty, dirty sex with her.  Besides she's funny when she's on tv which is all that matters.
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« Reply #263 on: November 17, 2008, 11:22:19 PM »
Is there any chance that the Democrat-led Congress gets rid of that distinguished mentally-challenged internet gambling ban that the Republicans managed to sneak through?

I haven't heard anything.  It's the sort of thing that they could either keep as a bone tossed to conservative nutbars or they could legalize it and tax the shit out of it to raise revenues, which would be the smart thing.
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« Reply #264 on: November 17, 2008, 11:31:25 PM »
So you guys agree to take the retooling money and spend it otherwise? ???
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« Reply #265 on: November 18, 2008, 12:04:00 AM »
So you guys agree to take the retooling money and spend it otherwise? ???

Look, it's not the BEST idea but the fact is that with Bush in office that's probably gonna be the money that is used as a bridge to keep them from going bankrupt until Obama gets the job in January.  Then they can do a big auto rescue plan and probably give them MORE money to retool and modernize.  I really see no problem with it.
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« Reply #266 on: November 18, 2008, 12:04:56 AM »
Also, it looks like Phil Gramm has learned nothing.  FoC would be proud.

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Mr. Gramm says that, given what has happened, there are modest regulatory changes he would favor, including requiring issuers of credit-default swaps to demonstrate that they have enough capital to back up their pledges. But his belief that government should intervene only minimally in markets is unshaken.

“They are saying there was 15 years of massive deregulation and that’s what caused the problem,” Mr. Gramm said of his critics. “I just don’t see any evidence of it.”

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« Reply #267 on: November 18, 2008, 09:30:40 AM »
The front page of my local paper today has the top story of the gun and ammo boom going on. The NRA sure knows how to fire up the base. ::)
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« Reply #268 on: November 18, 2008, 10:30:56 AM »
Sure, why not?  In fact I think that not only will the tax credits happen immediately, the rollback on the top bracket won't happen immediately.  Nor will there be immediate capital gains increases.  The Estate Tax will probably happen immediately, tho.

The tax credits are paid for by the top bracket rollback and the cap gains increase.

I've read a smattering of rumors that the DEMs/Rangel are toying with the idea of doing the rollback for those making $200k plus adding a 4% "surcharge" to make the top bracket tax rate 43.9%. For a small business owner in that bracket throw in double FICA and state taxes of ~5% and they're working with $.36 dollars. Job killers.

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« Reply #269 on: November 18, 2008, 10:57:15 AM »
To quote one of your heroes, "There you go again."  Thinking that things are going to be paid for in the first couple years of Obama's Presidency?  We're in up to our necks, and I for one am not going to ask who paid for the shovel that just got tossed to me.

Charlie Rangel is not going to like an Obama Presidency all that much, I'm guessing.  Although I for one am in favor of creating an "athlete/CEO" bracket for those making over 8-10 million and tax them at about 45%.
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« Reply #270 on: November 18, 2008, 11:16:37 AM »
Does FoC still post in these political threads? I missed that gold standard loving crazy.

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« Reply #271 on: November 18, 2008, 11:39:57 AM »
Not so much, every once in a while he pokes his head in and says something dumb, but then he runs away.  I guess he got sick of being curbstomped every time he showed up. 

I did think of him today during the House grilling of Paulson and Bernanke, when Paul used his entire question time to rail about the gold standard to Bernanke.  Bernanke was all like "uh no, no one is talking about the gold standard you fucking loon."
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« Reply #272 on: November 18, 2008, 11:47:33 AM »
"Back in the 40's-60's, actors were taxed 90% of their income." My father in law always says this.
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« Reply #273 on: November 18, 2008, 11:49:21 AM »
"Back in the 40's-60's, actors were taxed 90% of their income." My father in law always says this.

The top bracket was taxed at 70+% up until the 80's.
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« Reply #274 on: November 18, 2008, 11:49:47 AM »
...aaaand the Dems caved to Lieberman.  What a bunch of spineless fucking pussies.
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« Reply #275 on: November 18, 2008, 11:55:24 AM »
...aaaand the Dems caved to Lieberman.  What a bunch of spineless fucking pussies.
Obama asking for them to keep Lieberman killed any chane of him losing power. There way no way Reid would go against what obama wanted.

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« Reply #276 on: November 18, 2008, 11:59:34 AM »
...aaaand the Dems caved to Lieberman.  What a bunch of spineless fucking pussies.

Obama asking for them to keep Lieberman killed any chane of him losing power. There way no way Reid would go against what obama wanted.

Obama never said that he wanted Lieberman to keep his committee chairmanship, just that he wanted him to stay in the caucus.  This was about calling Lieberman's bluff that he would go caucus with the GOP if he got a slap on the wrist, which would have ended his political career.  Which is probably over anyhow.  Ugh.  Bunch of pussies.  Let's see how good they're feeling about this when Lieberman starts mucking around the Obama administration in his committee.
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« Reply #277 on: November 18, 2008, 01:00:22 PM »
Soo.....when should we expect to see some of Bush's fucked up end of term pardons we always get from outgoing presidents?

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« Reply #278 on: November 18, 2008, 01:05:47 PM »
I hope Obama does the same shit to Bush that Bush did to Clinton on his way out. Bush re-wrote or flat out canceled Clinton's parting directives.
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« Reply #279 on: November 18, 2008, 01:16:04 PM »
fucking Lieberman, what the fuck

go caucus with the Republicans you fucking fuckup
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« Reply #280 on: November 18, 2008, 01:17:06 PM »
fucking Lieberman, what the fuck

go caucus with the Republicans you fucking fuckup
I really really doubt he'll win re-election in 2012 at least.

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« Reply #281 on: November 18, 2008, 01:37:22 PM »
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« Reply #282 on: November 18, 2008, 04:12:17 PM »
NBC News is reporting Obama has offered Eric Holder the job of Attorney General and he has accepted it. Eric Holder was #2 in the Justice Department under Bill Clinton. Not official yet though.


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« Reply #283 on: November 18, 2008, 05:10:00 PM »
Man we're barely one week from the elction, and the obama campaign is moving really truly fast

we'll see how his moves play out, i have my doubts and skepticisms here and htere, of course thats just how i am
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« Reply #284 on: November 18, 2008, 07:25:15 PM »
Another Clintonista.

Change Mark and Elian can believe in.

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« Reply #285 on: November 18, 2008, 07:33:56 PM »
Another Clintonista.

Change Mark and Elian can believe in.
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« Reply #286 on: November 18, 2008, 09:10:34 PM »
Senator Tubes has lost, per the AP.  A 3700+ vote margin with about 2500 absentee ballots left to count.  Game over!  Alaska has partially redeemed itself for the Thrilla from Wasilla.
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« Reply #287 on: November 18, 2008, 09:22:32 PM »
How liberal is the dem who won? Alaska is such a backwards right wing state I can't imagine any of their state wide dems could be anything but centrists.

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« Reply #288 on: November 18, 2008, 09:27:01 PM »
Well, I'd give Begich 6 out of 10 Liebermans on the "rogue Democrat" scale.  He's a lifelong NRA member and like probably all Alaskan politicians wants to drill in ANWR.  But he seems to be a pretty good moderate Democrat on most other issues, and is definitely an improvement over Senator Tubes.
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« Reply #289 on: November 18, 2008, 09:35:10 PM »
as in "is not a convicted felon"
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« Reply #290 on: November 18, 2008, 09:51:22 PM »
In some weird way, I am going to miss Stevens. Kinda like in some weird way I knew I'd miss Tom Delay when he was forced out of office back in '06.

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« Reply #291 on: November 18, 2008, 09:53:26 PM »
...why? He can provide lols in prison, preferably while having his tubes violated
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« Reply #292 on: November 18, 2008, 10:02:37 PM »
so what are the odds on dems actually getting those 60 senate seats at this point? 

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« Reply #293 on: November 18, 2008, 10:06:49 PM »
so what are the odds on dems actually getting those 60 senate seats at this point? 
would rely on franken winning which is probably 50-50 at best. And then georgia which is likely near impossible to win sadly.

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« Reply #294 on: November 18, 2008, 10:10:20 PM »
Martin will not win GA. If I have to go vote 5 or 6 times, then I'll do what I have to do. But, my state is not going to be responsible for #60.

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« Reply #295 on: November 18, 2008, 10:12:38 PM »
Martin will not win GA. If I have to go vote 5 or 6 times, then I'll do what I have to do. But, my state is not going to be responsible for #60.
Martin won't win. And it doesn't matter. 59 is no different than 60 due to enough wavering republicans. On issues like judges there are enough anti-filibuster republicans to let Obama appoint whoever he wants without a worry.

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« Reply #296 on: November 18, 2008, 10:14:16 PM »
59 isn't certain thought right? Franken is going to lose most likely, which means it'll be 58
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Re: Evilbore's Official Political\Media Crap Thread
« Reply #297 on: November 18, 2008, 10:17:00 PM »
59 isn't certain thought right? Franken is going to lose most likely, which means it'll be 58
Again, 58 is the same as well. Like I said, there are enough republicans from blue states (the two maine girls for example) who will be too chicken to filibuster things like judges.

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Re: Evilbore's Official Political\Media Crap Thread
« Reply #298 on: November 18, 2008, 10:25:04 PM »
I'd honestly say that Al has a slightly better than even chance to prevail in the recount, which is why Norm and his crew have been fighting so damn hard to stop it.  I'm too lazy to go back and link to it, but Nate over at 538.com did a good write up on the likelihood of Franken finding enough votes in the undervotes to prevail.

Martin is fighting uphill for sure.  The problem is that barring an Obama visit to GA, he's not gonna get massive AA turnout again.  But then again, how down in the dumps must casual GOP voters be?  For instance, I know that my father and step-mother don't plan on voting again and they almost certainly voted for Saxby on 11/4. 

And sd- don't feel bad, the Franken/Coleman recount won't be over with until after the run-off has concluded, so if Martin does somehow manage to win he would be #59 anyhow.  Al Franken could be number sixty, which would probably cause the Hannity/Limbaugh/Orly crowd to bleed out of their own ears or something.
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Re: Evilbore's Official Political\Media Crap Thread
« Reply #299 on: November 18, 2008, 11:59:57 PM »
fucking Lieberman, what the fuck

go caucus with the Republicans you fucking fuckup

I think this was probably the right move tactically.  It would be okay if he just cast a meaningless vote for the Republican leadership then voted with the Democrats at his usual 80-90% rate on domestic issues.

But Lieberman strikes me as enough of a pompous egomaniac that if the Dems rejected him he'd not just caucus with the Republicans but really start drinking the Kool Aid.

Like the Michael Berube quote: "I used to consider myself a Democrat, but thanks to 9/11, I’m outraged by Chappaquiddick."