Thousands may lose jobs, thanks to Obama!

[Joe Molotov]

A pretty nice little cottage industry grew up around trashing Bush and the Republicans, but it seems to have taken a pretty big blow last Tuesday. It's like the guy that was making a living selling "Reverse the Curse" shirts, then all of sudden the Red Sox won and he was screwed. What are all these people going to do for food now? Do they all turn Republican now? Do they try to ride out the royalties from their books as long as they can, and hope Palin gets elected in 2012? Are they filling out job applications down at Wilco's Hollywood Video? Is the goverment going to offer a bailout to the Anti-Bush writing industry?

[radioheadrule83]

I'm sure a lot of people close to the Bush admin will be selling stories we haven't even dreampt of in the next year or so.. so these books may come for a while yet.

[Beardo]

I wouldnt be surprised if the daily show's ratings fall sharply.

[Human Snorenado]

Those people can move onto a new and fascinating subject:  the slow, awesome death of the Republican party!

[Joe Molotov]

Those people can move onto a new and fascinating subject:  the slow, awesome death of the Republican party!

Nah, the Republicans will rebound once they realize they just aren't being conservative enough.

[archie4208]

Don't worry, they will get some of that redistributed wealth hyuck hyuck.

[Beardo]

Don't worry, they will get some of that redistributed wealth hyuck hyuck.

Who? All the black people who voted for prop 8?

[Flannel Boy]

Nah, the Republicans will rebound once they realize they just aren't being conservative enough.

Being conservative on gay marriage may be a political winner, if only in the short term; however, being anti-abortion, for example, isn't, especially among young, single women, 70% of whom voted for Obama. Regardless, the Republican party won't become a small "L" libertarian party, but will continue to be socially conservative; social conservatism is more popular than economic conservatism. But in the long-term, the party will have to change because young, educated voters can't stand the Palins of the party and their populist, religious nonsense.  

[cool breeze]

Those people can move onto a new and fascinating subject:  the slow, awesome death of the Republican party!

Nah, the Republicans will rebound once they realize they just aren't being conservative enough.

Palin will run in 2012 with the 'No Homo' campaign

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

You guys are underestimating how many young social conservatives there are out there.

Half of all evangelicals were "saved" at or before the age of 13.

Whoever will be running for the GOP in 2012 will try to bring them into the fold in order to create a facade of the Obama of the right.  Which is why it will make it hard for people like Newt to make it and how it is all the more likely that Palin will win the primaries.  Palin represents a new generation of Republicans: pretty soccer/hockey moms who can be "modern" but still conservative, as opposed to a bunch of old white men.

[Beardo]

You guys seem to think that the GOP is the christian party. Recently this has been the case, but once they go back to being about small government and lower taxes they will just come back like before.

[Flannel Boy]

You guys seem to think that the GOP is the christian party. Recently this has been the case, but once they go back to being about small government and lower taxes they will just come back like before.

There is no appetite for "small government"; in fact, the country is losing what little appetite it had for "small government."
From a Pew poll in 2007:

Government should help more needy people, even if debt increases?
In 1994 41% agreed; in 2007, 54%

Government should guarantee food and shelter for all?
In 1994 59% agree; in 2007, 69%

Government should take care of people who can't care for themselves?
In 1994 57% agreed; in 2007, 69%

And this poll was conducted before the present economic crisis, which has been largely blamed on free-market policies.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Americans don't like small government.

They won't be back like before because this deep cutting recession will still sting years later.  A lot of people lost significant amounts of money in their 401k, pushing back retirement by several years.  They will remember that far more than inane jargon about how government is the problem.

Now if you were talking 20-30 years from now when the recession is over and done with (maybe), then I could see where you are coming from.  For the next 5-10 years, no way.  Obama didn't get over 60 million votes because he's black and talked about change, he won most of those votes because of the economy.

The Christian angle is honestly the most viable avenue for the GOP at this moment.

[Beardo]

Those numbers are so subjective.

Thats almost like saying

100% of people say that government should do good things for people. What are you supposed to say? That they are not?

[Flannel Boy]

Those numbers are so subjective.

Thats almost like saying

100% of people say that government should do good things for people. What are you supposed to say? That they are not?

The questions are far less nebulous than the term "small government." If "small government" doesn't mean decreasing the social safety net, then I don't know what it means. And the questions in the poll indicate that the US public supports increasing, not decreasing, the social safety net--thus they're not in favor of "small government."

[Mandark]

You guys seem to think that the GOP is the christian party. Recently this has been the case, but once they go back to being about small government and lower taxes they will just come back like before.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Madrun Badrun]

Those numbers are so subjective.

Thats almost like saying

100% of people say that government should do good things for people. What are you supposed to say? That they are not?

The questions are far less nebulous than the term "small government." If "small government" doesn't mean decreasing the social safety net, then I don't know what it means. And the questions in the poll indicate that the US public supports increasing, not decreasing, the social safety net--thus they're not in favor of "small government."

Malek.  So articulate with his arguments *swoon. 

[Human Snorenado]

People may like to pay lip service to the idea of "small government", but there's no question that once they start getting it they loooooove them some gubmint cheese.  If universal health care ever gets passed, you guys are fucked because there will be no getting rid of it.  Personally I think Obama is too cautious to go with single payer, so you may luck out on that front.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Most conservatives would not actually be able to handle a small government.

Once they have to pay tolls for every road they get on, low quality food that you eat without actually knowing what might be inside of it, and utility bills that can go wildly out of hand, they will be wanting that big, librul government to save the day.

[Beardo]

WTF are you talking about. The republicans party needs to get back to what Eisenhower stood for.


Universal Health care will never get passed here.

People may like to pay lip service to the idea of "small government", but there's no question that once they start getting it they loooooove them some gubmint cheese.

Which is exactly why it needs to stop. No government agency ever goes away once created and they always ask for more money every year, Is that sustainable?

[Flannel Boy]

WTF are you talking about. The republicans party needs to get back to what Eisenhower stood for.


Universal Health care will never get passed here.

Never is a long time.

Which is exactly why it needs to stop. No government agency ever goes away once created and they always ask for more money every year, Is that sustainable?

Sustainability has little bearing on whether Americans desire something.

[Beardo]

Ok, Americans all desire a million dollars and a blow job. Should Obama provide that?

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Palin can't ever win a national office because most Americans don't give a shit about hockey.

Now if she were running for Canadian Prime Minister, then she'd be a contenda.

[Flannel Boy]

Ok, Americans all desire a million dollars and a blow job. Can Obama provide that?

The issue in this thread is whether Americans desire "small government," a factual question divorced from your personal beliefs. And the answer is no: they don't want a smaller government. They expect a maintenance of entitlements, an increase in the social safety net, a renewal on infrastructure spending, and a greater involvement in the financial system. People have an expectation that government will provide their grandparents with a pension, give the unemployed benefits, provide children with an education, maintain roads and bridges, and regulate the markets. They don't, however, expect the government to provide blow jobs. If they did, then a party that ran against government blow jobs would lose badly. And that's my point, if the Republicans ran on a "small government" platform and jettisoned the social conservative nonsense, they would lose badly.

[Joe Molotov]

Can a small government protect us from gay marriage?

[Rman]

Republican don't really have the 'small government' taking point anymore.  The Bush Administration was one of the most expansive in history.

[Flannel Boy]

Can a small government protect us from gay marriage?

The small government advocated by most Republicans is still large enough to monitor people's personal lives.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

You guys best be stocking up ammo and semi autos for Civil War II

[ferrarimanf355]

The nicca-hating conservatives will pick up the slack, don't worry. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The distinguished black fellow-hating conservatives will pick up the slack, don't worry. 

Actually, its the Latinos:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/6101324.html

[ferrarimanf355]

A nicca hater is a nicca hater, I suppose...

[laesperanzapaz]

The communists taught me that they will promise egalitarianism, ask for the country's reins in order to do this, and more or less fuck everyone while they help themselves and their major supporters to the spoils of power.

You knwo what the Repubs taught me?

They promise unrestrained libertarianism, ask for the country's reins in order to do this, and more or less fuck everyone while they help themselves and their major supporters to the spoils of big government and power.


lol

[Tauntaun]

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