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Persona 4 thread
« on: December 01, 2008, 06:57:08 PM »
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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4

System: PS2
Price: 39.99
Genre: Japanese RPG



The game contents:

  • A copy of Persona 4.
  • A bundled soundtrack. 24 tracks are included on the disc.
  • If you place a pre-order at Gamestop you can recieve Persona 4 Visual Data -- an official art book full of sketches, character designs, and art.*


* - Whether or not the artbook will delay Persona 4 has not been determined, but it's not out yet until it's in our hands.

I also highly recommend this:



For any Megaten player, Double Jump guides are always a life saver. Time is put heavily into trying create the best guide possible rather than fill it up with a bunch of pretty pictures -- although those are there too. Even if you rarely use guides for help like me, Double Jump's SMT guides are invaluable if only for their Fusion Charts and Guides.

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What's the story in Persona 4?
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Persona 4 revolves around a series of murders that have occurred in the town of Inaba. At the same time, you and a group of peers from school have strange powers awaken inside. You and your team mates decide to attempt stopping these murders with your newly received powers, both of which appear to be connected.

The game summary on various websites and reviews gives me personally, a Persona 2: Eternal Punishment vibe. Which is good. The soundtrack sounds like old Persona as well. Which is good.

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I didn't play Persona 3, would this be a good starting point for playing the series?
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Every Persona game aside from the two connected Persona 2's has its own self contained story. At most, and this is a guess, the only thing you'll miss are a couple of tie-ins that may be explained through the game anyway.

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I haven't played Persona 3, what's it like?
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Persona is a spin off series to the Shin Megami Tensei series developed by Atlus R&D1. This entry in particular bases most of its gameplay around the framework created in Persona 3, which was a drastic change from the typical Persona formula.

The game followed a sim-like structure, with multiple periods during the day. You go to school, chat and hang out with friends, and kill demons at night time. The game used a unique system for npc interaction system called Social Links which were essentially the bread and butter of the level up system.

Bosses appear only on specific dates, and it's up to you and your party to prepare for the upcoming boss by completing specific increments of a large tower called Tartarus. It's important to stay on top of your game before these nights so you can be prepared for the upcoming battle.

The unique mix of day (social links, stat maxing) and night (battling in the tower), and calendar system helped create an addicting formula that had players pining for "One more day..." in the wee hours of the morning.

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There have been two releases of Persona 3 in the past year. What is so different in Persona 4?
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  • The graphics are not only better the art direction appears to be more cinematic, featuring fancy camera angles to help the game world come alive:








  • There are three difficulties unlocked from the beginning: Beginner, Normal, and Expert. This sounds great especially for those who want a higher difficulty.
  • The difficulty has been increased, highly apparently.
  • S. Links are back, and there's more emphasis on the Social Links of your team mates rather than random npcs. This includes male team mates.
  • Female S. Links branch into 'Friend' or 'Girlfriend' branches. So those who feel uncomfortable can make them just friends. I'm definitely going that route.
  • S. Links have a larger impact on gameplay this time around. Some will take a blow for the main character if their S. Link level is high enough.
  • You have the option to fully control your entire party in Persona 4. For people like me who didn't have much of a problem with P3's AI settings and felt it helped make the fight pacing so much more natural, you have the option to use AI in P4 as well. Everybody wins.
  • A whole bunch of refinements to the battle system, including a guard function which changes a weakness element to normal damage. You don't lose a turn when knocked down, but getting hit with a weakness while knocked down puts you in a state that will waste a turn.
  • Instead of having one, concentrated multi-level dungeon in a roguelike fashion, Persona 4 features multiple dungeons with their own themes, central to the story.
  • Persona 4 features a weapon crafting system, and if you like weapon crafting as much as I do, that should be a welcome addition.
  • The pacing for the game is much more frantic. While Persona 3 was relaxing since you only had to fight one boss a month and always had an infinite amount of time to grind or get prepared for the upcoming battle the night before the Full Moon, in Persona 4, the cycle is entirely based around the weather which is far more random and less routed in the pattern used in Persona 3.

  • You have a finite amount of days one can clear a dungeon. If you are unable to slay the boss in x amount of days the game is instantly over. You can go back a week before you fight the boss to prepare better, creating a better battle plan along the way.
  • No more Fuuka.
  • The game has more content. There's way more to do. Mini games such as fishing exist.
  • You no longer get tired, so people who were bothered by that should be quite happy. This should ease off stress while crawling.



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Wow! Why should I buy this over the other games released this fall/winter?
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Persona 4 is the sequel to the game of the year 2007! It also costs 40 dollars and not 60.

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Can you ride a bike and carry an umbrella at the same time?

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TheTrin's *excellent* review

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« Last Edit: December 01, 2008, 07:22:05 PM by Himuro »
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 07:09:06 PM »
I may actually import this. I can't see it getting a release in Australia.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 07:10:43 PM »
Nobody cares. Kingdom Hearts Remake > Persona re-hash
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 07:22:20 PM »
Nobody cares. Kingdom Hearts Remake > Persona re-hash

Kingdom Hears is this week, Persona is next. Plenty of last gen love for both of these awesome titles.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 07:22:52 PM »
You do know both weeks fall under the same month right

Sorry, only room for one
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 07:24:45 PM »
I forgot Kingdom hearts was even coming out lol
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 07:39:42 PM »
You do know both weeks fall under the same month right

Sorry, only room for one

Actually, Gundam Musou 2 negates every other title this month for me.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 07:49:01 PM »
This will have to wait until around Christmas day in my backlog because I need to finish Gears of War 2 and buy and beat Kingdom Hearts and Prince of Persia.

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 07:51:18 PM »
when is it out again?

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 07:54:40 PM »
when is it out again?

Persona 4? Next week.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 07:59:00 PM »
I'll get this just as soon as I finish Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Last Remnant.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 08:07:44 PM »
when is it out again?

Persona 4? Next week.

 :o  I'm still only half way though fes  :'(

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 PM »
Persona 3 looked super distinguished mentally-challenged, so I didn't play it. The only SMT game I've played is Nocturne.

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 08:12:41 PM »
Persona 3 was awesome.


I met my the only girlfriend I ever had in persona 3.

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 08:19:05 PM »
Persona 3 was awesome.


I met my the only girlfriend I ever had in persona 3.

was it yuko?
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2008, 08:27:05 PM »
 Yukari  :-[

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008, 08:27:51 PM »
what a homo
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008, 08:29:53 PM »
DON'T MAKE FUN OF ME, ALASKAN.  :maf

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2008, 08:31:01 PM »
I'd dress up as a hipster anibitch for you, mike.

I'd even grow my hair out so I could have double ponytails.

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2008, 08:34:10 PM »
i am really starting to hate that girl with the bob haircut and the smirk and i haven't even played the game yet
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2008, 08:35:12 PM »
Have an outfit like this?


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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 08:36:36 PM »
arvie, you are one ronery duder
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 08:38:59 PM »
hipsters  :heart
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2008, 08:39:06 PM »
so ronrey   :'(

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2008, 08:39:12 PM »
I only own 2 pairs of panties and a skirt.  :-\

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 08:40:15 PM »
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2008, 08:40:20 PM »
pass



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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 08:43:29 PM »
Gonna get this for Xmas, but then play Persona 3 on my break since I have yet to play it :P
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2008, 08:44:31 PM »
Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Earthbound and Mother 3 do. And I agree, more RPGs should do this.
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2008, 08:51:56 PM »
It's my sister's high school drill team outfit. She gave it to me on my birthday as some sort of hate crime joke.

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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2008, 08:54:20 PM »
 :lol

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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2008, 08:56:24 PM »
they need a LE edition of P4 with an included copy of microsoft project (to manage your time while working your relationships), complete with a custom made big-tittied anime demon girl helper instead of Clippy.
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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2008, 09:03:12 PM »
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Lots of RPGs have rotating battle themes. Even Earthbound does. TLR has like 4 themes too.
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2008, 09:47:32 PM »
it's kinda weird that most RPGs still don't do this, though, even when they feature plenty of musical variety in other parts of the game.  Like Uematsu wrote 140 tracks for FF9 and yet only one of those is used for all the normal battles that consume at least a quarter of playtime.  I'd be curious to hear why --- I'm sure they have a reason as multiple battle themes must've been suggested at some point.
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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2008, 10:19:25 PM »
they need a LE edition of P4 with an included copy of microsoft project (to manage your time while working your relationships), complete with a custom made big-tittied anime demon girl helper instead of Clippy.

the Japanese version comes with an animu agent, he's DA BESTO

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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2008, 10:42:04 PM »
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Lots of RPGs have rotating battle themes. Even Earthbound does. TLR has like 4 themes too.

name a some more then if there are lots.  So far we've got mother 3, Earthbound, and TLR. with nocturne that makes a whopping 4.

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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2008, 11:09:47 PM »
SaGa Frontier II, Breath of Fire, World Ends with You off the top of my head

I think Rudra's Treasure and Live a Live do as well.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2008, 01:23:13 AM »
how could I forget TWEWY? those songs pop into my head randomly and without warning on a weekly basis.  Even takes it a step further by changing the field songs constantly too.  I'm not too big of a fan of that though.

back on topic, I'm rebuying a PS2 for this game as a graduation gift to myself. :)  The slims are like $70 at ebgames now, so that's a pretty good deal.

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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2008, 04:16:34 AM »
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2008, 09:18:38 AM »
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.

Nearly every game ever made skews towards 14 year olds though...
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2008, 12:26:40 PM »
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Persona 4, iirc, listening to the ost there's multiple battle tracks like in the others
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2008, 12:28:09 PM »
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.

you've got to be kidding me.
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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2008, 01:53:32 PM »
rpgamer has a good review up (4.5/5)
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/persona/persona4/reviews/persona4strev1.html

heres the most negative stuff they had to say
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One of the worst changes, however, is what has become of "Shuffle Time," the card mini-game that appears after battles. While Persona 3 regularly supplied cash, weapons, armor, and healing in addition to new personas, the new "Shuffle Time" only provides personas. Furthermore, many of the cards are blank, and in some cases, even penalize the player by cancelling all experience and money earned during the battle. The method in which players choose cards is also much more frustrating, as it usually involves precise timing rather than memory.
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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2008, 02:13:06 PM »
rpgamer has a good review up (4.5/5)
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/persona/persona4/reviews/persona4strev1.html

heres the most negative stuff they had to say
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One of the worst changes, however, is what has become of "Shuffle Time," the card mini-game that appears after battles. While Persona 3 regularly supplied cash, weapons, armor, and healing in addition to new personas, the new "Shuffle Time" only provides personas. Furthermore, many of the cards are blank, and in some cases, even penalize the player by cancelling all experience and money earned during the battle. The method in which players choose cards is also much more frustrating, as it usually involves precise timing rather than memory.

It's not that hard.  You get the hang of the timing and then you get what you want like in P3.

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Re: Persona 4 thread
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2008, 02:33:48 PM »
Tomorrow!  One last round of homojapuality for me and then it's on to Crimmus, my 360 and the Wasteland of Fallout 3.  Can't wait!
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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2008, 03:48:55 PM »
Should have this tomorrow. My amazon order is "shipping soon"

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« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2008, 11:01:43 PM »
My copy arrived today. I'll probably check for bugs on the 80GB PS3s before booting it up.

The art book is pretty cheap-looking by the way.
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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2008, 01:31:17 AM »

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« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2008, 02:47:58 AM »
TOMORROW
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« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2008, 09:56:46 AM »
Does anyone know if GS will get this today or tomorrow? 
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« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2008, 10:11:54 AM »
Does anyone know if GS will get this today or tomorrow? 

From what I've heard on GAF, they should have it today.

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« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2008, 12:01:18 PM »
The art book is pretty cheap-looking by the way.

well that's disappointing to hear.

looks like ups will deliver my copy tomorrow.

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« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2008, 12:15:43 PM »
I didn't get the call from Gamestop's automated caller last night, so I'm guess we don't get it in Seattle until tomorrow.
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« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2008, 12:20:32 PM »
Will probably pick this up some time in the future.

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« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2008, 01:36:05 PM »
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!
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« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2008, 01:50:03 PM »
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!

Same here!  Grumble grumble.  Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.
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« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2008, 02:04:20 PM »
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!

Same here!  Grumble grumble.  Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.

Gamestop is really random about calling me about preorders. They called me about MGS4 and Prince of Persia, but didn't call me for Resistance 2 and Valkyria Chronicles.
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« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2008, 02:04:45 PM »
Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.

Good thing you're doing this IRL, because that's what the first fifteen minutes of the game is about. :lol
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« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2008, 07:39:59 PM »
Got my copy today.

Longest game session where all I did was tap X to go on to the next text box, like, ever.

But the first boss is fun. It's hard to give an impression when the intro is like 2-3 + hours of nothing but pressing x, but the story and characters are really interesting, the boss battle was fun, and the music is ownage.

The translation and dialogue, I think, feel like a step up from P3, but it's still too early to tell. But now the classroom actually feels more like a classroom due to students running around, and the characters have these quirks like Yosuke grabbing his nads all the time or Chie doing her kung fu shit. It feels less canned, compared to P3, I guess?

The story does feel like a mix between P2: EP and P3, which is pretty refreshing.

Back to pressing X!
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« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2008, 08:11:11 PM »
I'm probably about where you are, Himu. 

So far pretty good.  With my limited playtime so far, I'd have to say that the characters seem more likable in this one, and the dialog is definitely better.  Teddie can be a little off-putting at first, but you have to know that they de-lamed him something fierce from the Japanese version.

So far I'd have to agree with the 1up review on this- if Persona 3 was Harry Potter in the city, Persona 4 looks like Scooby Doo in the sticks.  Chie even looks like Velma, and Yosuke is a ringer for Shaggy.  The chick from the inn is Daphne, I guess, and the main character (I always name my characters "Turd Ferguson") would be Fred. 
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