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GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes and helicopters pounded the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 205 people in the bloodiest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict with the Palestinians.

Militants in the Gaza Strip, who have launched dozens of rocket attacks against Israel since a truce expired just over a week ago, fired more salvoes that killed one Israeli man and wounded several others....

Full Story:http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSLR1342320081227

This region has no hope of peace it seems.
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2008, 01:24:41 PM »
Jews need to learn restraint - they're like Sean Connery in the Untouchables.

"They send one of yours to the hospital, you send two hundred and five of theirs to the morgue!"

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The Islamist group, which won a 2006 parliamentary election but was shunned by Western powers over its refusal to renounce violence and recognize Israel, said all of its security compounds in the Gaza Strip were destroyed or seriously damaged.

At least they're pretty accurate.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2008, 01:29:18 PM »
I pretty much hate both sides.

If Palestinians didn't want the strip bombed, perhaps they should not launch a bunch of rockets that won't accomplish shit except more brutal Israeli counter attacks.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2008, 01:35:38 PM »
But they are TUFF DUDES
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 01:40:29 PM »
Israel, god.  Go fuck off already.
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 02:06:40 PM »
Israel, god.  Go fuck off already.

stop being anti semetic!

Why would anyone pick a fight with someone who could annihilate them at the drop of a hat? I suppose they want to ensure this conflict continues forever, same as the Israelis
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2008, 03:02:59 PM »
It is called refusing to put your head down.


Too bad innocent people have to die - like they always do.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2008, 03:31:59 PM »
i'll never understand people and pride
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2008, 05:20:29 PM »
Just wipe both cesspools of hatred off this planet
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2008, 06:13:07 PM »
Uh oh, we'd better give Israel a few billion dollars more to replenish their weapons!
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2008, 06:34:58 PM »
Fuck Israel. Seriously. Most disgusting people on the planet.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2008, 06:39:07 PM »
Fuck Israel

Someone post this on GAF and see what those guys have to say about it

nvm
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2008, 07:04:12 PM »
Is the JEW LOBBY really so big in this country that politicians continue to feed this beast? I'm not suggesting either side is innocent, but the US' support is decidedly behind Israel and it isn't like the Jews are more than like 10% of this country. We'd be better off just fucking off.
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2008, 07:06:24 PM »
^The Jew lobby is that big, and it stays that big using the "ANTI SEMITE!!" defense against people who criticize it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2008, 07:07:27 PM »
Is the JEW LOBBY really so big in this country that politicians continue to feed this beast? I'm not suggesting either side is innocent, but the US' support is decidedly behind Israel and it isn't like the Jews are more than like 1.8% of this country. We'd be better off just fucking off.
And Jewish Americans are not as one-sided as people think. Evangelicals are probably more one sided on the issue than Jews.

edit: That being said, this thread is pretty one-sided. What was Hamas thinking firing rockets into Israel during the last couple of weeks?
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2008, 07:11:17 PM »
I'm sure they had very valid reasons, just like I had very valid reasons to sit on the roof of my house and fire paintballs at the windshields of passing cars when I was a teenager.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2008, 07:18:36 PM »
I'm sure they had very valid reasons, just like I had very valid reasons to sit on the roof of my house and fire paintballs at the windshields of passing cars when I was a teenager.

I can think of many valid reasons, but randomly firing rockets at a country is only going to further militarize it, giving the people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation more influence and ensuring that a peaceful resolution is never possible. Of course, this also helps Hamas sustain power, so maybe they expected, and even welcomed this type of disproportionate retaliation.

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2008, 07:21:20 PM »
What was Yasser Arafat's personal worth?  $1.3 billion?
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2008, 07:57:33 PM »
this is why i hate willco
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2008, 08:13:24 PM »
Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.





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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2008, 08:21:31 PM »
Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.



your text reeks of republican. i think im gonna vomit
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2008, 08:29:22 PM »
Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.

Because expansionism was such a good thing and we're seeing all the wonderful benefits of it today.

Maybe we should go back to slavery as well.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2008, 08:42:26 PM »
That's quite a leap in logic and putting words into my fingertips. I am merely saying that every nation in the world has done similar things in the (very) recent and (not to far ago) past. To sit here and poo poo a government that is trying to protect it's citizens when the nation where your ass is currently residing has done far worse, is pretty hypocritical.


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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 08:51:42 PM »
To sit here and poo poo a government that is trying to protect it's citizens when the nation where your ass is currently residing has done far worse, is pretty hypocritical.

Uh... no it's not.

I never authorized any bad thing the United States has done and I sure as hell never condoned it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 09:20:29 PM »
What if Tom Cruise is right? WHAT THEN?

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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 09:22:15 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 09:56:47 PM »
Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.
The US Goverment should just give a state to the Jews (I'm think somewhere in the south), then we'll see how normal Americans react.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2008, 10:09:30 PM »

The US Goverment should just give a state to the Jews (I'm think somewhere in the south), then we'll see how normal Americans react.
They already have Florida.

How often do countries give away territory?

Ignoring that, many religious Israelis would never leave Israel.

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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2008, 10:36:43 PM »
Any day now the UN is going to give a decent amount of land to the Nation of Islam as slavery reparations

any day now
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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2008, 10:40:36 PM »
That's right African-Americans need to go back to Africa and make it more civilised.
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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2008, 10:46:13 PM »
Any day now the UN is going to give a decent amount of land to the Nation of Islam as slavery reparations

any day now

How bout we put them on reservations instead?  We'll even let them legally shoot dice and purchase tax free malt liquor.
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2008, 12:34:50 AM »
Again, I'm not really sure how lobbing a bunch of rockets at Israel helps the Palestinian cause any.  In fact, it does damage to it because it gives justification for Israel to counter attack.

Revolution by guerrilla combat hasn't been successful in a long time.  Just ask the IRA, PKK, or ETA
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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2008, 01:25:02 AM »
Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.






I beg to differ.

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2007
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Israelis    | Of which     | Of which
dead        | civilians    | minors
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13          | 7            | ?
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Palestinians| Of which     | Of which
dead        | civilians    | minors
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373         | 35%          | 53



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2006
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Israelis    | Of which     | Of which
dead        | civilians    | minors
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24          | 17           | 1
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Palestinians| Of which     | Of which
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660         | 322          | 141

The source is B'Tselem -- The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
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2007 figures - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008....international

2006 - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ar-430218.html



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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2008, 02:06:51 AM »
fuck the Israeli government.  :maf

RIP to all the innocent lives lost in this terrorist attack. May God be with all those being oppressed

Israel's only fault is that they are a new nation in the modern world. 100-200 years ago, what they are doing in the name of expansionism wouldn't have even drawn any attention.

They were plopped down in some god awful part of the world and created a beautiful oasis. A functioning, democratic society in an area that was mostly thugs, gypsies and beggars. Palestinians should assimilate or die.

In the grand scheme of the human race and a global society, the Palestinians are the barbarians who are holding this area (and thus the world) back.

you can't be serious?? You are full of hate and prejudice





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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2008, 05:21:31 AM »
The problem with these discussions is that there is definitely an undercurrent of antisemitism, racism or cultural ignorance - even in this very thread.  There's no logical or rational way to say one side is right or wrong.  I've learned that saying Group A is worse than Group B because of these statistics, variables, anecdotes, etc. is just stupid.  Both sides are wrong.
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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2008, 09:05:14 AM »


Am I crazy or did she misspell 'with'

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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2008, 09:40:58 AM »
The problem with these discussions is that there is definitely an undercurrent of antisemitism, racism or cultural ignorance - even in this very thread.  There's no logical or rational way to say one side is right or wrong.  I've learned that saying Group A is worse than Group B because of these statistics, variables, anecdotes, etc. is just stupid.  Both sides are wrong.

Antisemitism?  Aside from Curseofthegod's first post I don't see anything here that can be said to have antisemitic undertones.  Anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation, definitely, but they are not the same things.
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« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2008, 10:55:40 AM »
Possibly but it is inevitable that someone will cross the line in this thread.

We already got the emotionally manipulative images getting posted.  Just a matter of time...
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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2008, 11:11:49 AM »
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Am I crazy or did she misspell 'with'

there's something a lot more wrong with that picture...
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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2008, 11:16:06 AM »
Is the JEW LOBBY really so big in this country that politicians continue to feed this beast? I'm not suggesting either side is innocent, but the US' support is decidedly behind Israel and it isn't like the Jews are more than like 10% of this country. We'd be better off just fucking off.

Check out the "conspiracies I believe" thread on GAF. Jews run the world man, just how it is.

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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2008, 11:22:40 AM »
Jews runs Hollywood Video stores. I swear it's true.

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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2008, 12:04:15 PM »
Where do you stand on Israel's response to rocket attacks on its territory?

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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2008, 12:10:27 PM »

It's a disproportionate retaliation. But with Israel's superior military technology, it's always going to be disproportionate.

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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2008, 12:24:29 PM »
Any argument about the killing of civilians is irrelevant because the Palestinians use them as human shields for world sympathy. In no way am I letting Israel off the hook in general. That being said, surrounding high level targets with small children and women is disgusting
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2008, 12:29:54 PM »
It looks like Israel is continuing with their Gaza air strikes.

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« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2008, 12:31:35 PM »
To not expect any retalliation from Israel is either naive, insane, or stupid.  To expect any country to get attacked with rockets and not fight back is pretty ridiculous and any country that allows such to happen is a country that isn't going to last long.  Which of course, is the point of the Palestinians, to hopefully drain the resources so much that Israel collapses.  It will not happen anytime soon and if Israel collapses, it won't be a result of Palestinian attacks either.

It may be a little over the top but Israel has far greater access to modern technology than the Palestinians.  Again, when you are surrounded by hostile nations who have called for your country to be dissolved and is funneling money to organizations to buy armaments to see to it that it happens, to not attack shows a huge sign of weakness and encourages more attacks because hey, if they took it when we launched 50 rockets, why not 100 next time?  You could argue that Jewish settlements and harsh countermeasures factor in and it does but how successful has the guerrilla angle worked in their decades of attacks?

Seems to me like lobbing rockets is a piss poor strategy that causes events like this to happen but when you have Palestinian leaders who personally profit from the death and destruction of their own people (see: Arafat's personal wealth) as well as Israelis who do the same, the war is going to keep going.  Saying it is all Israel's fault is incorrect because there are vested interests by a few Palestinians to make sure the conflict is dragged out as long as possible.  
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2008, 12:51:28 PM »
The problem with these discussions is that there is definitely an undercurrent of antisemitism, racism or cultural ignorance - even in this very thread.  There's no logical or rational way to say one side is right or wrong.  I've learned that saying Group A is worse than Group B because of these statistics, variables, anecdotes, etc. is just stupid.  Both sides are wrong.

Antisemitism?  Aside from Curseofthegod's first post I don't see anything here that can be said to have antisemitic undertones.  Anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation, definitely, but they are not the same things.

Ignoring a post in the very thread we're discussing, it's totally free from antisemitic undertones!  Oh c'mon.

And Jinfash, there are plenty of horror stories on the other side, as well.  It's a totally "chicken or the egg" argument and it leads to nothing.  I'm not saying Palestinians need to calm down - I think I made it clear from my first post that both sides are wrong.  I've given up the prospect of hope for lasting peace in that region, but I'm sure as hell not dumb enough to reason that one side doesn't deserve it more than the other.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2008, 12:56:58 PM »
Jews runs Hollywood Video stores. I swear it's true.

I didn't catch this one at first.  Good show. :lol

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It's a disproportionate retaliation. But with Israel's superior military technology, it's always going to be disproportionate.

You bring up an interesting point.  So if Israel responded by lobbing equally ancient weapons and rockets at Gaza, would it be okay?
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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2008, 01:07:05 PM »

You bring up an interesting point.  So if Israel responded by lobbing equally ancient weapons and rockets at Gaza, would it be okay?

I wasn't implying that the greater causalities inflicted by Israel demonstrates that the Israelis are more culpable than the Palestinians, just more technologically advanced. Every nation is going to use advanced weaponry, whether it's a long stick, the stirrup, the longbow, or advanced missiles.

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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2008, 01:12:41 PM »
It will be impossible to ignore religion when both sides claim that every piece of dirt in the area is holy.

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2008, 01:22:48 PM »
Well of course the dirt is holy, how else would plants get water?
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2008, 01:26:56 PM »
There won't be any peace until Palestinians are able to recognize Israel, but who knows if that will ever happen.  Especially when they blow up a couple hundred people in a day.
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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2008, 03:02:11 PM »
Is that some kind of sarcastic question?

Do we know what ignited Hamas to fire rockets into Israel in the first place?
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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2008, 03:13:39 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2008, 03:21:21 PM »
Israeli female soldiers in bikinis with firearms :drool
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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2008, 03:22:27 PM »
Israeli female soldiers in bikinis with firearms :drool
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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2008, 03:40:00 PM »
Do Israeli girls shave?
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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2008, 04:06:00 PM »
There's something wierd looking about the girls in those pics... they look disproportionate.  At least the navy girls do.
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Do Israeli girls shave?

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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2008, 04:55:24 PM »
It is obvious.  We must have peace so we can bag hot Israeli and Palestinian chicks without fear of reprisals!
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