Author Topic: Israel Pounds Palestinians in Gaza. Over 1000 estimated fatalities. (Read 26430 times)

Look, AdmiralViscen is being cute. Like Mandark said, you cleverly disengaged from the "most disgusting people on the planet" remark when backing your ridiculous assertion.

If you can't see that "why does the US associate with Israel [clearly the state in this comment]? they're [obviously referencing Israel as stated just moments ago] fucking terrorists" seems much more like a slam against a nation rather than its people - you're totally naive.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #129 on:** December 30, 2008, 09:54:04 PM »

Whether you are for or against Israel (I am not against Israel), the current situation in that region is disgusting. It's not so unbelievable that the word was mixed into that sentence.

Also in PM you didn't argue with me when I swapped "Israel" with "Palestine" and "disgusting" with "dumb". Only disgusting is a slur! Not "fucking terrorists" either lol

It's a valid interpretation that the initial post was also talking about the actions of a state, especially after Curse said as much. As long as we're splitting hairs on 'disgusting,' he coulda easily said "Israelis" or even "Jews" instead of "Israel." Israel, a nation.

Also in PM you were saying that this is about a racist statement and not a racist person. If that was the case you would have accepted Curse's explanation, but you had to keep raking him over the coals. If it was just that singular statement with no context, no explanation, no awareness of the poster then I would agree with you. But we have all those things and then I saw you still biting at Curse and I don't think it's fair to him. I think I'm already on your anti-Semite list tho

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #130 on:** December 30, 2008, 09:59:57 PM »

When did you ever PM me? Dude, the only person that PM'd me was Jinfash. Now you're just making up conversations!

It's not a valid interpretation that the initial post was talking about the actions of the state. You'd have to be a complete dummy to argue that. There's a huge difference between slamming a state and the people. I find the actions of Hamas totally disturbing, but I don't go, "Palestine can suck it. Most disgusting people ever..."

As far as I'm concerned, we pretty much ended that discussion with the consensus that the original comment was stupid. Your continuing need to argue otherwise is just a stupid troll or a public display of stupidity. Either way, it's stupid.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #131 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:01:47 PM »

I just think a simple apology was all that was necessary.

I don't think it is entirely that disgusting. Considering the timeline of history, this is a relatively bloodless conflict. Nation building isn't a snap process either and in time, there will be a common ground. Eventually people are going to start getting tired of this, if they aren't getting to that point already. Laying all of it on the feet of Israel isn't progress by any means.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #132 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:02:11 PM »

Oh that was Mandark, I thought it was you. I was reading it on my phone, relax.

Relax on the whole thing, TVC had a far more measured response to this whole thing.

btw you reopened this, I made a joke at Guybrush. You're also the one who continued to nuke the thread after TVC had already cooled things off with Curse.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #133 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:03:37 PM »

Now I'm pretty sure you're trolling. Good show.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #134 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:06:13 PM »

yes, telling you to relax is trolling.

Next time something like this comes up, handle it like TVC. The comment was poorly phrased but it was explained and Curse isn't a dirtbag. And his comment was completely analogous to Guybrush's as far as I can see.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #135 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:07:45 PM »

That's because you're an idiot.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #136 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:09:50 PM »

OK, thanks for enlightening me

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Why bother changing your original post when it probably most accurately reflected how you truly felt, CurseoftheGods?

<-- you're off the deep end when you're talking about what someone else "probably" meant or thought.

You obviously can't have this conversation without getting super emotionally invested, see ya later

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #137 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:10:47 PM »

He agreed with me on that, by the way. You're pretty dumb.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #138 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:12:36 PM »

lol, OK

maybe you should re-read that post of his, all of it this time

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #139 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:16:21 PM »

Fuck AdmiralViscen. Seriously. Most disgusting person on the planet.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #140 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:18:49 PM »

I just want to clarify that my original statement was not a derogatory remark against AdmiralViscen as a person, but rather his post history as a poster whose ill informed opinions ruin threads.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #141 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:19:23 PM »

OK

So be it (that means you're right!)

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #142 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:21:21 PM »

If anyone's an idiot it's me for making this thread go this far. AdmiralViscen is a great poster, and he doesn't deserve to be called an idiot for anything I have said.

I apologize if I have offended anyone by my statements in this thread. While I do regret that this thread ended up like this, I am glad to see that I have several friends on the 'Bore judging from the PMs I have received. It does seem that only Willco and Mandark found my post offensive despite my efforts to explain otherwise, and I will send them personal apologies via PM soon.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #143 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:29:12 PM »

Dude, you didn't offend me. The only thing that was offended was my intelligence. Just call a spade a spade. As far as this dragging on, we can thank AdmiralViscen for that. And he's no more deserving of any sympathy. It's obvious that he's just trying to bait me or just incredibly dense, so I will step away so we can continue a discussion.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #144 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:32:15 PM »

Shut the fuck up dude, you're out of your mind.

edit - I shouldn't sink to your level, but I'm not gonna edit that. Get fucking real. I made one comment at Guybrush and within moments you were ready with a full-scale revival of the whole fight. Your constant name-calling is fucking pathetic and is indicative of the same overreacting that I was calling out back on page 2 of this thread. And your 12-year-old-internets strategy of "No this ends NOW, thanks to ME" is a joke. Just shut the fuck up already.

TVC15 · « **Reply #145 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:35:38 PM »

If it were normal for people to overreact to something, then it would just be reacting.

drew · « **Reply #146 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:42:30 PM »

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #147 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:49:50 PM »

I am going to my hotel's bar to get a couple of drinks. I suggest everyone to do the same.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #148 on:** December 30, 2008, 10:50:55 PM »

Quote from: CurseoftheGods on December 30, 2008, 10:49:50 PM

I am going to my hotel's bar to get a couple of drinks. I suggest everyone to do the same.

Would, but Halifax is rather far from here.

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #149 on:** December 31, 2008, 12:07:21 AM »

Quote from: Night Man on December 30, 2008, 10:50:55 PM

Quote from: CurseoftheGods on December 30, 2008, 10:49:50 PM
I am going to my hotel's bar to get a couple of drinks. I suggest everyone to do the same.

Would, but Halifax is rather far from here.

I'm spending my Christmas break in New York. ^_^

Yeti · « **Reply #150 on:** December 31, 2008, 02:19:30 PM »

Jeeze, if we can't come to an understanding over a little squabble like in this thread what hope do Israel and Palestine have? $:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #151 on:** December 31, 2008, 02:40:40 PM »

even curse didn't fully defend his statement, so why are you carrying his water?

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #152 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:40:40 PM »

Well, Viscen is a good friend and he knows that I'm not a racist person. I can see him getting ticked about how thickheaded and stubborn Willco was being in this thread. He claims that he wasn't offended, but his insults towards AV definitely show otherwise (as do the number of his rudimentary posts in this thread). Me being an antisemite seems to be have set in stone for him. Even after I tried apologizing he claimed that my explanations were an insult to his intelligence as I am apparently inherently racist and that could never change. I am curious to know what he thinks of the other posts in the first page that were in the same vein as mine, but he has stated that he's not going to post in this thread again and I hope he stays true to his word.

I honestly don't care if I am labeled a racist on an obscure internet message board. I spent way too much time in this thread. I have only started posting in this thread again because I saw some posters and private messages defending me about this topic. I don't want anyone carrying my weight. Judging from the PMs I have received only Willco and Mandark seemed to have a problem, so I am not too bothered by it at all.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #153 on:** December 31, 2008, 03:55:18 PM »

You realize they both have connections to the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation movement. They'll have you killed

Mandark · « **Reply #154 on:** December 31, 2008, 05:34:20 PM »

CotG's running a clinic on passive aggression. Y'all take notes.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #155 on:** December 31, 2008, 06:54:08 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2008, 02:40:40 PM

even curse didn't fully defend his statement, so why are you carrying his water?

I was never defending that post in and of itself - no one can. It requires an explanation. What I was defending was the notion that it was OK for Curse to supply an explanation instead of just unilaterally condemning him and trying to make him look like a bigot. I got bogged down in parsing every part of the post because it was said that there was no way the original post could have meant something other than what it looked like.

Although I don't know why you of all people are asking me why I got involved in a stupid argument.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #156 on:** December 31, 2008, 07:11:14 PM »

I sent this thread to the ADL

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #157 on:** December 31, 2008, 10:31:20 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on December 31, 2008, 05:34:20 PM

CotG's running a clinic on passive aggression. Y'all take notes.

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #158 on:** December 31, 2008, 10:35:02 PM »

Quote from: Jinfash on December 31, 2008, 10:08:38 PM

I'm really offended by the fact that some people are finding more important to go on about a single post (comprised of a single line) than what's going on between the two factions (from deaths to threats that are escalating the situation).

smh at everyone involved.

Yeah, my post definitely was worth talking about more than the death of 205 civilians.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #159 on:** January 04, 2009, 12:07:55 PM »

smh Joe
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28433263#28433263

I need to look that info up

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #160 on:** January 04, 2009, 12:41:15 PM »

What are some good books in that field of history, oh expert pollack? Also I need to get some books on the creation of the state of Israel/seeds of the Israeli Palestinian conflict because I'm mainly ignorant on that

Boogie · « **Reply #161 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:03:30 PM »

Quote from: Kosma on January 04, 2009, 12:36:01 PM

The US had a Polish security adviser? Nice. He speaks so eloquent. Also check out 6:40 where that woman gives the camera a because Morning Joe is being a stupid asshat.

Zbigniew Brzezinski: You have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on it's almost embarrasing to listen to.

Zbigniew Brzezinski: If you're going to judge your knowdledge by the collective standards of 300 million people don't be surprised you're embarrased.

This guy is a genius.

Also I have to say there is nothing wrong with saying 'Fuck Israel'.

You know the sad thing is that Hitler has succeeded post mortem in making the 'Jewish Question' a real thing. I have studied antisemitism for quite a while, and you might even say that's my field of expertise in history. Up until the creation Israel as a state antisemitism was mostly bullshit. It was not much different then other forms of racism. But now there is this one state that is supplying legitimate ammo for Jew haters. Now some Jews will have you believe that Israel hate equals neo-antisemitism. Clearly in some cases, that is correct but most people that question the actions of the state of Israel are not antisemites, hell they condemnd the Holocaust and antisemitism too.

Fuck Hitler.

Bull-fucking-shit.

So what, Hitler created antisemitism now? "The Jewish Question" wasn't considered a real issue until Hitler? "Up until the creation Israel as a state antisemitism was mostly bullshit"?

And you consider yourself an expert in antisemitism?

Is it safe to say that you're a hard intentionalist when it comes to the Holocaust?

Pogroms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms#Pogroms_against_Jews

The Dreyfus affair? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

Martin Luther? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies_(Martin_Luther)

Hell, why bother with picking specifics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2009, 12:41:15 PM

What are some good books in that field of history, oh expert pollack? Also I need to get some books on the creation of the state of Israel/seeds of the Israeli Palestinian conflict because I'm mainly ignorant on that

PD, what "field of history" specifically? Pre-WWII antisemitism? The Holocaust? Or the modern Israel-Palestine conflict? If I can find some of my course materials, I can help you out on the former two. (but I seem to have misplaced them)

Crushed · « **Reply #162 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:45:26 PM »

keep up the good work, new york post

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #163 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:52:59 PM »

I spit Red Bull all over my desk.

edit:

NEW YORK POST

Israeli Pilot Suffers Thumb Injury
the bomb he fired kills fifteen Palestinian civilians.

Crushed · « **Reply #164 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:57:15 PM »

i wonder what rides they have at TERRORLAND

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #165 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Night Man on January 04, 2009, 01:52:59 PM

I spit Red Bull all over my desk.
edit:

NEW YORK POST

Israeli Pilot Suffers Thumb Injury
the bomb he fired kills fifteen Palestinian civilians.

Crushed · « **Reply #166 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:06:37 PM »

Quote from: Night Man on January 04, 2009, 01:52:59 PM

NEW YORK POST

Israeli Pilot Suffers Thumb Injury
the bomb he fired kills fifteen Terrormen.

Fixed.

Crushed · « **Reply #167 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:40:44 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_un_israel_palestinians

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UNITED NATIONS – The United States has blocked approval of a U.N. Security Council statement calling for an immediate cease-fire between Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers, diplomats said.

GOD DAMN AMERICA

Boogie · « **Reply #168 on:** January 04, 2009, 03:33:38 PM »

Quote from: Kosma on January 04, 2009, 02:14:58 PM

Quote from: Boogie on January 04, 2009, 01:03:30 PM

Bull-fucking-shit.

So what, Hitler created antisemitism now? "The Jewish Question" wasn't considered a real issue until Hitler? "Up until the creation Israel as a state antisemitism was mostly bullshit"?

And you consider yourself an expert in antisemitism?

Is it safe to say that you're a hard intentionalist when it comes to the Holocaust?

Pogroms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms#Pogroms_against_Jews

The Dreyfus affair? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

Martin Luther? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies_(Martin_Luther)

Hell, why bother with picking specifics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

Boogie really, I bet you're a nice guy but you posting stuff like this seems stupid. You really think I don't know this stuff? You think I got my degree for free or something? I'm really happy you posted the wiki link to the history of anti semitism. But you know I learned that stuff in University from some of the leading scholars on the subject in the Netherlands. I really don't want to be a pretentious asshole about it, you're entitled to your own opinions but thinking that you can somehow undo years of education by posting some links is silly.

I didn't say the jewish question wasn't considered a real issue until Hitler, I don't see where I did. I just said that until after Hitler it wasn't a huge worldwide problem. Antisemitism wasn't big under Hitler, in fact as you probably know he didn't get elected because he hated Jews. He got elected for his social program. Germans considered the Kristalnacht un-German and the Nazi regime made sure never to do such a thing in the open again. Sure in the middle ages stuff happened like Pogroms, but that was incidental and regional at best. Also antisemitism was a fringe thing for most of history, now with Israel it's a front page issue. Israel doesn't equal Jews, but it's their state and accusations being made now aren't done by some right wing dipshits writing down theories on Jewish conspiracies, people who are mad now are ordinary folks that are tired of the bullshit going on in the Middle East. Shit that's going on since Israel has been established affects the whole world. It feeds terrorism.

Also you assuming I'm a hardcore intentionalist is wrong, where did you get that impression? I'm more of a functionalist if you feel the need to label me anything.

Oh yeah PD a good book you should read about the Holocaust is:

Ordinary Men. http://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution/dp/0060995068

or more approachable

Hitler's Willing Executioners http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679772685/$%7B0%7D

Kosma: "I didn't say the jewish question wasn't considered a real issue until Hitler, I don't see where I did"

Sorry, but I interpreted this statement as saying just that: "You know the sad thing is that Hitler has succeeded post mortem in making the 'Jewish Question' a real thing"

My mistake.

Still, I'm not sure how you can dismiss the prevalence of antisemitism pre-WWII in comparison to antisemitism in regards to Israel today. You say today it is "front page news", but how can we gauge what exactly that means in an age of 24-hour news coverage? I would say that as far as attitudes go, antisemitism was far more prevalent throughout previous centuries than it is today. I disagree with calling antisemitism a "fringe thing throughout history".

And I don't see how antisemitism after Hitler is a "a huge worldwide problem". With minor caveats, I disagree that "Shit that's going on since Israel has been established affects the whole world." The Middle East conflict as regards Israel (and therefore, presumably, "antisemitism") is not a "huge worldwide problem." It is a regional one at best, only presenting the faintest glimmer of larger reprecussions at a few key times (ie. the 1973 war). Even today, though the Israel-Palestinian conflict does feed terrorism, it is hardly its sole cause, so I don't see how we can say that "antisemitism" is a significant factor in the current problems of international terrorism.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #169 on:** January 04, 2009, 03:50:47 PM »

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Not long after Israel's ground incursion began, Hamas vowed to "fight until the last breath" and warned Israel that "Gaza will be your cemetery."

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An Israeli soldier was killed and another was seriously wounded near Jabalya in northern Gaza, according to the Israeli military. It marks the first Israeli military death since the ground operation was launched Saturday night.

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507 Palestinians, including about 100 women and children, have been killed in the week-long military operation, and 2,600 Palestinians have been injured, most of them civilians, sources said.

Sounds like everything's going according to keikaku. smh Middle East

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #170 on:** January 04, 2009, 04:29:44 PM »

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #171 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:14:15 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/05/gaza.children/index.html

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"When the Jews bomb us when we are asleep, [Hassanin] says 'We get scared,' " a translator says.

Hassanin is one boy from Gaza speaking frankly to an anchor on Hamas TV about the attacks, which have gone on for 10 days.

Children like him have accounted for one-third of the casualties at Gaza's main hospital, foreign doctors say. And now Hamas and their media are making them the face of the attacks.

The children have seen terrible images of tragedy: their friends injured or killed and bloodied bodies in the streets.

They are images Hassanin says he will never forget. He'll keep them stored away until he's old enough to do something about it.

"When we will grow up, we will bomb them back," a CNN translator quoted the boy saying on Hamas TV.

ManaByte · « **Reply #172 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:32:04 PM »

If the Palestinians don't want schools or hospitals to be hit, maybe they should tell Hamas to not put mortars at the schools and hospitals and to stop using kids as human shields and pity chips for the media.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #173 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:33:11 PM »

... but it works.

ManaByte · « **Reply #174 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Willco on January 07, 2009, 01:33:11 PM

... but it works.

Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477450,00.html

ManaByte · « **Reply #175 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:40:13 PM »

Quote from: Jinfash on January 07, 2009, 01:38:31 PM

Quote from: ManaByte on January 07, 2009, 01:32:04 PM
If the Palestinians don't want schools or hospitals to be hit, maybe they should tell Hamas to not put mortars at the schools and hospitals and to stop using kids as human shields and pity chips for the media.

wat?

It's like no matter where they hide their kids they're gonna be accused of using them as shields. They took refuge in those schools to hide from the strikes, and they had some people trying to protect the place!

Where exactly do suggest them to go without any protection since the whole city is under siege?

Maybe the kids should've evacuated with the rest of the Palestinians that Israel let out before they went in? Never mind that Hamas is putting mortars and missiles right under kids beds (so to speak), but it's OK as long as they burn the Jews; right?

ManaByte · « **Reply #176 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:41:55 PM »

Here's something interesting:

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Eze 12:19 And say to the people of the land, 'Thus says the Lord GOD to the inhabitants of Jerusalem [and] to the land of Israel: "They shall eat their bread with anxiety, and drink their water with dread, so that her land may be emptied of all who are in it, because of the violence of all those who dwell in it.

The Hebrew word for violence used there is חמס (chamac). The English pronunciation for that word is khä·mäse', which is "Hamas".

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Eze 12:19 And say to the people of the land, 'Thus says the Lord GOD to the inhabitants of Jerusalem [and] to the land of Israel: "They shall eat their bread with anxiety, and drink their water with dread, so that her land may be emptied of all who are in it, because of the Hamas of all those who dwell in it.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #177 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:43:19 PM »

The outcry against Israel's actions seems to be getting bigger and bigger every time one of these pushes into Gaza happen. I wonder how this'll all turn out, I certainly get this feeling of something turning over that'll change the whole landscape of this situation.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #178 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:47:54 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 07, 2009, 01:43:19 PM

The outcry against Israel's actions seems to be getting bigger and bigger every time one of these pushes into Gaza happen. I wonder how this'll all turn out, I certainly get this feeling of something turning over that'll change the whole landscape of this situation.

I kinda doubt it lol

ManaByte · « **Reply #179 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:48:39 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 07, 2009, 01:43:19 PM

The outcry against Israel's actions seems to be getting bigger and bigger every time one of these pushes into Gaza happen. I wonder how this'll all turn out, I certainly get this feeling of something turning over that'll change the whole landscape of this situation.

Syria will launch a chemical attack against Israel and those IAF planes on 24/7 alert in Northern Israel will level Damascus to the ground. Iran, Syria, and the rest of the Arab nations around Israel will launch a war against them with the help of Russia, and then ARMAGEDDON.

News:

Author Topic: Israel Pounds Palestinians in Gaza. Over 1000 estimated fatalities. (Read 26430 times)