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Tell me about Korea.
« on: January 20, 2009, 09:39:44 AM »
Dudes,

My wife and I have received a very lucrative offer to go teach English in Korea, just outside of Seoul. The pay is good, rent is covered, we get a lot of our taxes refunded, plus we get about a month of vacation. I think we're both very, very interested in the offer, but I was wondering if any of you cats are either in Korea now or have been in the past. What're your feelings? What should we be aware of?

It's a 12 month contract and I was kind of spooked to spend a year at something I hate but then I realized- Wait. I hate my job now. Even if we hated it, with the savings involved we'd be able to virtually wipe out our student loans, save some serious bank and then travel after. It is incredibly attractive. But I just wanted some first hand accounts if possible. Tell us a story, yo.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2009, 10:25:02 AM »
There are two Koreas one in the south and one in the north, they are called North Korea and South Korea, they also look the same as the Chinese and Japanese people and probably like loli anime too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2009, 10:27:39 AM »
Korean food is pretty fucking good, I'll tell you that... love Korean BBQ, dak bulgogi, marinated beef tripe, kimchi, etc...
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 10:55:31 AM »
Um... explain why you WOULDNT want to do this?
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2009, 11:01:02 AM »
They seem to like Starcraft, I've read about it on the internets.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2009, 11:03:05 AM »
We gotta sex before you leave.   Also, don't bring bunnies, they'll get stolen.  :shh
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2009, 11:22:04 AM »
take it, take it and run

you'll see so many interesting things and meet so many interesting people that the life experience alone is worth it

you guys are young, you should hop on opportunities like this, if you don't the "maybe if" will eat at you forever

i wish i'd done some traveling when i was younger
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 11:53:38 AM »
Eel o'brien speaks the truth. Go.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 12:11:41 PM »
If you don't have any commitments in the states, I'd totally go.

Also, I have a friend who is teaching in Korea right now on Jeju island, I'm sure she'd answer any questions you might have.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 12:13:02 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 12:14:33 PM »
apparently the stereotype of (South) Koreans among Japanese people is that they're very naive.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 04:04:12 PM »
Be careful of your bunny rabbits.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 04:05:47 PM »
Be careful of your bunny rabbits.

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We gotta sex before you leave.   Also, don't bring bunnies, they'll get stolen.  :shh
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 04:09:41 PM »
I'm too tired too read, also you can beat me all you want.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 04:09:53 PM »
bunnies are delicious, I can see why Korean girls would steal them.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2009, 06:23:42 PM »
Where's Green Shinobi?

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2009, 06:27:37 PM »
It's a 2-1 country full of Chinese look alikes.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2009, 06:28:34 PM »
kpop makes jpop sound listenable.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2009, 06:33:39 PM »
Where's Green Shinobi?

Yeah, he should have a say or two in this thread.

I myself am always a bit scared of spending more than a vacation in an Asian country like China or Korea, clearly because of the language barrier and the fear of getting myself  into situations similar to those GS found himself in (plus movies like "Red Corner" hasn't helped me shake that fear).

But hey, I could be totally wrong. I mean what do I know right? I've never left the comfort of my zone :P

Movies like this make me want to visit your neigbhborhood:

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2009, 06:49:54 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2009, 06:50:46 PM »
Wy isn't there a heritage commercial for it?
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2009, 07:38:32 PM »
Gillo - bottom line from someone who did this in Japan - go do it.

The only thing that I typically caution folks about is that a year is a lot shorter than you think. You might find youself just starting to get comfortable at that point. It all dependsd on whether you start getting comfortable or not (i.e. acquiring furniture etc). If you are pretty strict about living out of a suitcase and leaving at the end of your contract, you'll save a bunch of money. If you start getting depressed because you don't have a sofa or an Xbox after 6 months, you'll be more inclined to spend money on that stuff, which means you'll take longer to break even on the trip, which means you might end up extending your contract. If you do, you'll probably find  yourself even more comfortable at the end of your second year, because hey, now we can speak some of the language! The mindset becomes 'Everything is just starting to open up. Let's get a bigger apartment more in line with what we had in the US and maybe we can stick it out here a bit longer and save some more money...'

Nothing wrong with that, really. But bear in mind that English teaching is not something that's worth staying in for more than a few years because it's essentially worthless on a resume (better than a blank space but not much moreso). And your conditions won't improve much. An experienced teacher won't get paid much more than a rank beginner. So beware the trap of staying too long.

I, on the other hand, came to Japan with the expectation of staying a long time, so I started getting settled in asap. Didn't focus on saving money at all. I've seen LOTS of people come over with strict timetables for leaving and end up staying for 5-plus years though. Just something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2009, 11:27:28 PM »
I agree.  I also taught in English in Japan (on the JET Program) for three years and loved the whole experience; living abroad and experiencing another culture will make it all worth it, and you have the benefit of going with your wife so loneliness shouldn't be as much of an issue, plus you might be able to save plenty of money between the two of you. 

Do it, but take heed to Cormacaroni's words, and that year could very easily turn into two, three, five, or longer!
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2009, 01:26:59 AM »
The difference is that Cormac didn't stay a teacher the whole time; he eventually got a much better job in Japan.

Are you responding to my post?  Because I'm just echoing what Cormac said.   :lol
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2009, 01:36:03 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2009, 03:24:48 AM »
Teaching basic English to foreigners?

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2009, 10:12:23 AM »
sounds like an organ harvesting scheme
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2009, 10:38:12 AM »


Phew. Okay! I will totally contact you, but I figrue I'll address some stuff here:

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A few things to consider. First: what kind of school will you be teaching at? Is it a public school, a university or a private academy (hagwon)? What age groups will you be teaching?

Have they specified your monthly compensation? You want to be making at least 2 million won a month, but ideally you'll be making more than that. 2.3 a month seems to be the going rate for new teachers in the hagwon system. University and corporate gigs can pay quite a bit more. Some public schools offer less than 2.3, but public school jobs tend to give you a lot more vacation time, which will allow you to do quite a bit of traveling. Japan is just a <2 hour plane ride away, and you'll also be within easy reach of China, India, Bali and lots of other cool places. Also, you want to find out about the apartment that the school is providing for you. Make sure it's big enough, etc. Also, see if they'll hook you up with cellphones when you get there. It'll make your life a lot easier.

It's a Public school, I'll be making 2.1 mil, my wife will make 2.4 with her MA. The recruiter said with overtime we may average 2.5-2.8, but I'm not holding my breath. At the moment, this is like 1500-1600$ a month each. That's 36k a year which is not a ton of money, but given that we live in New York now and we won't be paying rent, that's like an additional 12k. So it'd be like earning 50 here and I expect from what I've read that we'll save quite a bit on cost of living, as well as on taxes.

I'll be honest- I think we're doing this for the same reason a lot of people do it. We have student loan debt that we can barely even touch here in the US. Sitting behind a desk is eating us up. We keep talking about wanting to travel more and so it came to a point where it was like "Okay, man up and do it or shut up and go back to work". So the money is nice, especially given how much of that is take home, and I feel like "Spent a year (or more) in Korea teaching English" is way more resume valuable and, more importantly, life-valuable than "Was Marketing Director for blahblah".

I think we get 3 weeks of vacation, which is 2 weeks more than I get now, haha. The master plan is to take off after the year and travel for awhile. We're good at keeping costs rock bottom (We did Europe and North Africa for 6 weeks on like 2100$)

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The people are friendly enough, but there's definitely an "us and them" mentality that you don't really find in a lot of western countries. If you're not Korean, you're a foreigner. It's difficult to explain all the connotations that come with "foreigner" here. It's not negative per se, but you'll understand soon enough. A lot of people, especially the younger folks, will be quite friendly. If you have buzzed hair, they'll probably assume you're U.S. military, which has its own connotations, some good, others bad. There are a lot of U.S. soldiers in the country, and for whatever reason a lot of them are violent drunks who also spend a lot of money.

Spending time in Morrocco was the most isolating experience of a lifetime. I had one of those moments where like. Have you ever seen a western where the sheriff walks into the saloon and everyone stops and stares at the door? That was me. I was the sheriff. That said, I was on vacation and I could leave. And aside from being a curiosity, most people were incredibly nice. I am a little afraid about being somewhere for a whole year, it can just be really tiring, even after only a few weeks. I'm usually really good natured about these things, but being somewhere utterly foreign just has a really depleting effect. Still, it has to better than sitting at a desk.

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Intra-country travel is quite easy. There's an excellent bus and rail system that can get you just about anywhere you need to go. Unlike Japan, traveling across the country by train is quite cheap. There's a high-speed rail service called the KTX that connects a lot of the major cities. Within the cities themselves, you'll have access to an excellent metro system. You should be able to get to just about anywhere you need to go. The subways are generally closed between about 12-5am. At this point, you take taxis, but these are very cheap compared to America or Japan. It helps if you write down where you want to go, because some destinations can be hard to pronounce, and if you're just slightly off, the driver will have no idea what you're saying.

My wife is a walking encyclopedia of global public transport systems. She will like this. Also: BURRET TRAIN

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Food is pretty good. Koreans think that they're tough guys when it comes to spicy stuff, but in reality they're total spice wimps compared to Thai or Cambodian people, or even Mexicans really. You shouldn't have any trouble in that regard. Bring some immodium just in case, but you'll probably be alright. You can find a lot of stuff to cook with at the supermarkets. There are some big chains called Home Plus and E-Mart that should have what you need, and a lot of times you'll find people selling fruits and vegetables on the street. Make sure you inspect them first. I'd recommend getting a rice cooker if the apartment doesn't have one, because rice is cheap and goes with almost everything.

I'm a hugely adventurous eater. If we end up not going to Korea, I'll probably just finally go to culinary school. I'm not super spooked, but I imagine I'll want a few home comforts. I'm also really sensitive to spicy stuff, as is my wife. I guess we'll toughen up, haha.

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The language is a bit of a challenge. I'd recommend learning the Korean characters as quickly as possible. The alphabet is quite easy and almost completely phonetic. Most of the letters are similar to sounds within the English alphabet, but slightly different. Pick up a Korean language book that has some cds you can listen to. You can get around with a few key phrases. However, like I said earlier, if you're just a little bit off, they won't understand you at all. English speakers are very used to hearing foreign accents, but this is absolutely not true in Korea. Your pronunciation has to be near perfect. Even if you pronounce things well, a lot of Koreans will giggle or laugh when you speak to them. This really annoys me, but for some reason it's a trip to them to hear foreigners speak their language.

This is my worst nightmare, haha.

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The only thing that I typically caution folks about is that a year is a lot shorter than you think. You might find youself just starting to get comfortable at that point. It all dependsd on whether you start getting comfortable or not (i.e. acquiring furniture etc). If you are pretty strict about living out of a suitcase and leaving at the end of your contract, you'll save a bunch of money. If you start getting depressed because you don't have a sofa or an Xbox after 6 months, you'll be more inclined to spend money on that stuff, which means you'll take longer to break even on the trip, which means you might end up extending your contract. If you do, you'll probably find  yourself even more comfortable at the end of your second year, because hey, now we can speak some of the language! The mindset becomes 'Everything is just starting to open up. Let's get a bigger apartment more in line with what we had in the US and maybe we can stick it out here a bit longer and save some more money...'

Nothing wrong with that, really. But bear in mind that English teaching is not something that's worth staying in for more than a few years because it's essentially worthless on a resume (better than a blank space but not much moreso). And your conditions won't improve much. An experienced teacher won't get paid much more than a rank beginner. So beware the trap of staying too long.

I, on the other hand, came to Japan with the expectation of staying a long time, so I started getting settled in asap. Didn't focus on saving money at all. I've seen LOTS of people come over with strict timetables for leaving and end up staying for 5-plus years though. Just something to keep in mind.

I'd say we're open to staying. My wife really wants to get her PhD, but she's only 22 and has her MA, so she's not in a rush. Our thinking is just like. Someday we'll have kids and commitments and lots and lots of time to stay in one place. While we're young we'd like to see more of the world, save a little scratch and take some time for ourselves. I realize it's not quite a resume builder, but I feel like it at least makes you look like an interesting person. We've also discussed the possibility of joining the Foreign Service and this would be good for that, I suppose.
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2009, 12:25:59 PM »
Hmm, the pay seems low (I made about $2800 a month after pension money was taken out), but you say they are covering your rent.  What about utilities?  What's the name of this company?  Have you checked to see what their rep is and what others think about teaching for them?
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2009, 12:32:12 PM »
Hmm, the pay seems low (I made about $2800 a month after pension money was taken out), but you say they are covering your rent.  What about utilities?  What's the name of this company?  Have you checked to see what their rep is and what others think about teaching for them?

The exchange rate is crappy right now, just in the last 6 months it's gone from 1006->1USD to 1507->USD. I'm hoping it'll clear a bit while we're there. In 2000 it was like 951 KRW to 1 USD. So it's lost a hefty chunk of it's value. But I understand it's still enough to get by on- Is that true?

We are responsible for Utils. The company is GlobalCampus, most people seemed to be fine with them. I don't know if that's typical or atypical.


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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2009, 01:16:02 PM »
I applied for JET this year, but I think my odds of getting accepted are slim to none. I have almost 0 teaching and japanese experience, and I think my SOP sucked. Supposed to be getting interview dates soon. Let's see if I even got one.  :'(
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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2009, 01:58:25 PM »
Well, after all my rent and utilities were paid every month, I generally had around $1500-$1700 left, so maybe it's fine.  Plus there's two of you so it won't be as bad with the money you make combined.  But keep in mind that you're going to want to do things, plus get phones, internet, etc.  And that money can disappear fast.  I wasn't able to really start saving comfortably until I got married-- our combined income made it easy to sock money away every month.  But I also had a city apartment that was higher in rent than anyone else I knew; friends out in towns in the countryside paid almost nothing.  Muckson was on JET too, he had a small house and IIRC I think he and his wife paid like 10,000 yen a month for utilities-- I don't think he even had rent.

If you think you really are going to do this for just a year, I'd look at it for the cultural experience; forget about the money.

I applied for JET this year, but I think my odds of getting accepted are slim to none. I have almost 0 teaching and japanese experience, and I think my SOP sucked. Supposed to be getting interview dates soon. Let's see if I even got one.  :'(

That doesn't matter.  If you get an interview, you're good to go, and as long as you wrote a competent paper, you should get an interview.
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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2009, 02:23:27 PM »
I still wish I'd would've done JET after college.

I had this plan my senior of college that if I didn't get in to graduate school, I was going to apply for JET. I got in to every graduate school I applied for.

Going to graduate school and then getting married a couple years later was the right decision, but I feel like I missed out on a fun experience.
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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2009, 02:49:54 PM »
I still wish I'd would've done JET after college.

I had this plan my senior of college that if I didn't get in to graduate school, I was going to apply for JET. I got in to every graduate school I applied for.

Going to graduate school and then getting married a couple years later was the right decision, but I feel like I missed out on a fun experience.

Not too late!
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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2009, 02:54:38 PM »
I still wish I'd would've done JET after college.

I had this plan my senior of college that if I didn't get in to graduate school, I was going to apply for JET. I got in to every graduate school I applied for.

Going to graduate school and then getting married a couple years later was the right decision, but I feel like I missed out on a fun experience.

Not too late!

We have a $2,900/month mortgage, and our combined income is $130,000/year. We both love the time we've spent in Japan and would love to live abroad, but JET isn't THAT tempting.
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2009, 03:17:27 PM »
I still wish I'd would've done JET after college.

I had this plan my senior of college that if I didn't get in to graduate school, I was going to apply for JET. I got in to every graduate school I applied for.

Going to graduate school and then getting married a couple years later was the right decision, but I feel like I missed out on a fun experience.

Not too late!

We have a $2,900/month mortgage, and our combined income is $130,000/year. We both love the time we've spent in Japan and would love to live abroad, but JET isn't THAT tempting.

Haha. Our combined income is 45000 :(
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2009, 05:16:27 PM »
I still wish I'd would've done JET after college.

I had this plan my senior of college that if I didn't get in to graduate school, I was going to apply for JET. I got in to every graduate school I applied for.

Going to graduate school and then getting married a couple years later was the right decision, but I feel like I missed out on a fun experience.

Not too late!

We have a $2,900/month mortgage, and our combined income is $130,000/year. We both love the time we've spent in Japan and would love to live abroad, but JET isn't THAT tempting.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2009, 05:27:21 PM »
lol. just got the mail. no interview.  :'(

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2009, 05:39:47 PM »

We have a $2,900/month mortgage, and our combined income is $130,000/year. We both love the time we've spent in Japan and would love to live abroad, but JET isn't THAT tempting.

I'm moving in with you!   :lol

I know people who did JET with mortgages and all that stuff.  Don't ask me HOW they did it, but none of them stayed for more than a year.  I remember this one guy would go home for like a week or two almost every month.   :o
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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2009, 06:33:26 PM »
Hmm, as long as I can marry one of these teachers I will be making somewhere around DM's combined income. But damn, that mortgage is almost as much as my monthly salary after taxes/401k... no way would I ever be able to afford that :(
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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2009, 08:02:46 PM »
$2,900 a month mortgage?  Wow :bow2
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2009, 08:28:44 PM »
GilloD -

Sounds like you should go for it. Give us a shout when you make it over to Tokyo! (which is somewhere you have to go if you're that close, seriously).
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2009, 09:04:13 PM »
You just gave GilloD the business.

Anyway, if both work, then their combined salary is $72,000, which is pretty good money.  Not bizallin' but a considerable increase to what they are making now
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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2009, 09:06:17 PM »
Newsflash: 36 grand a year is not lucrative.  If you are set on doing unskilled labor in a foreign country, why not Afghanistan?  You can make 200+ grand a year over there for unskilled labor by getting jobs with contractors and at least that way when people are tired of hearing your boring white-person-coming-of-age stories about living overseas, you can show them your Ferarri

That is, unless you are killed by an Afghani warlord first.

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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2009, 09:08:43 PM »
Newsflash: 36 grand a year is not lucrative.  If you are set on doing unskilled labor in a foreign country, why not Afghanistan?  You can make 200+ grand a year over there for unskilled labor by getting jobs with contractors and at least that way when people are tired of hearing your boring white-person-coming-of-age stories about living overseas, you can show them your Ferarri

That is, unless you are killed by an Afghani warlord first.

Well that would be a pretty good story, so you really wouldn't need the Ferarri then. 

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« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2009, 09:09:29 PM »
Newsflash: 36 grand a year is not lucrative.  If you are set on doing unskilled labor in a foreign country, why not Afghanistan?  You can make 200+ grand a year over there for unskilled labor by getting jobs with contractors and at least that way when people are tired of hearing your boring white-person-coming-of-age stories about living overseas, you can show them your Ferarri

That is, unless you are killed by an Afghani warlord first.

Well that would be a pretty good story, so you really wouldn't need the Ferarri then. 

Hard to tell the story when you're dead.

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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2009, 09:09:39 PM »
Newsflash: 36 grand a year is not lucrative.  If you are set on doing unskilled labor in a foreign country, why not Afghanistan?  You can make 200+ grand a year over there for unskilled labor by getting jobs with contractors and at least that way when people are tired of hearing your boring white-person-coming-of-age stories about living overseas, you can show them your Ferarri

Why not Afghanistan?

I think that should be on all their tourist literature. I mean, when you get right down to it why not? You could go under a bus tomorrow, why not roll the dice on sunny Afghanistan!
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2009, 09:24:29 PM »
As noted above, I started off in Japan teaching English...and I could buy a Ferrari now. I'm not going to do so because it's insane (I don't own a car period) especially in this economy, but if I hadn't come here, there's no way i'd have acquired the language skills I need to do the job I have now. By going to a market in which you automatically have a fairly unique and valuable skill just by dint of speaking English, you automatically boost the value of any other skills you already have or may acquire. If you're closed-minded about it,  you aren't going to get anywhere of course.

From that perspective, your suggestion is useful and they should probably at least take it into consideration. I know they won't do it though, because at the end of the day it's very hard for 1st world folks to leave the 1st world. Especially to go into a war zone.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2009, 11:06:17 PM »
$2,900 a month mortgage?  Wow :bow2

Our house is expensive, but it's not expensive for Seattle. That's the crazy thing.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2009, 09:16:01 AM »
Sure go to Korea for chump change and when you get back you can reassure yourself that while you may not be monetarily rich you are spiritually rich while you drive your '98 Honda Accord.

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Hey I had a 97 Accord back in the day and that shit was pretty pimp...
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2009, 09:39:07 AM »
As noted above, I started off in Japan teaching English...and I could buy a Ferrari now. I'm not going to do so because it's insane (I don't own a car period) especially in this economy, but if I hadn't come here, there's no way i'd have acquired the language skills I need to do the job I have now. By going to a market in which you automatically have a fairly unique and valuable skill just by dint of speaking English, you automatically boost the value of any other skills you already have or may acquire. If you're closed-minded about it,  you aren't going to get anywhere of course.

From that perspective, your suggestion is useful and they should probably at least take it into consideration. I know they won't do it though, because at the end of the day it's very hard for 1st world folks to leave the 1st world. Especially to go into a war zone.

How did you make the transition from teaching to working in finance? Did you go back to school for an econ degree?

I just told you - language skills. I studied the finance stuff and got qualified for what I do now after I started working in the industry as a translator.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2009, 09:40:26 AM »
Newsflash: 36 grand a year is not lucrative.  If you are set on doing unskilled labor in a foreign country, why not Afghanistan?  You can make 200+ grand a year over there for unskilled labor by getting jobs with contractors and at least that way when people are tired of hearing your boring white-person-coming-of-age stories about living overseas, you can show them your Ferarri

It's 36 grand, with considerably fewer taxes, deductions and free rent. That's worth- If we go by this year- an additional 15-20 thousand dollars. We pay a thousand bucks a month in rent, I spend 20 bucks a week for my health insurance that comes out of post-tax dollars, taxes in general are insane (I lost nearly a third of my income).

36 isn't a lot of money. But it's just about what we make now. And this isn't just about money- If it was all about money I'd surf Craigslist for a Admin Assistant job. Some of those pay 45k+. That's almost twice what I get now, but that's neither here nor there. I want the experience. Someday when I am a boring old person bringing in 65k and I have a car and whatever else, I don't want to feel like I wasted my time getting there.

I'm just at a point where it's time to either start traveling and take some risks or to shut the fuck up about it.

Also, yes, I could make 200k in Afghanistan, but I also have like a 1 in 5 chance of serious injury or death.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2009, 09:57:37 AM »
Also, yes, I could make 200k in Afghanistan, but I also have like a 1 in 5 chance of serious injury or death.

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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2009, 10:12:24 AM »
Also, yes, I could make 200k in Afghanistan, but I also have like a 1 in 5 chance of serious injury or death.

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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2009, 10:21:23 AM »
Also, yes, I could make 200k in Afghanistan, but I also have like a 1 in 5 chance of serious injury or death.

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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2009, 12:04:31 PM »
I'm just at a point where it's time to either start traveling and take some risks or to shut the fuck up about it. 

From your post.  The odds aren't close to 1 in 5, you're just scared

Successful people don't take 36k-a-year jobs doing unskilled labor and wake up one day successful.  Don't put off your life for later. 

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Jesus christ, who are you? Don't put off "your life"? Oh yeah, a wonderfully bright future of corporate bullshit spent behind a desk so that I can get a shiny new TV every quarter! So-called successful people are enormously miserable in my experience.

Also, Afghanistan is a god damn war zone where people are actually suffering. Striving to make a profit off of that is fucked up to start with.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2009, 12:10:57 PM »
More like The Buzzkill. I'd say do it Gillo. I want to do something similar. Japan doesn't want me so maybe I might check out Korea. I'm just about to graduate. I might as well dick around over seas for a year or two before I go to grad school or find a job.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2009, 12:12:54 PM »
More like The Buzzkill. I'd say do it Gillo. I want to do something similar. Japan doesn't want me so maybe I might check out Korea. I'm just about to graduate. I might as well dick around over seas for a year or two before I go to grad school or find a job.

JET is the best, but there are other programs and companies you can go on/apply to for teaching English in Japan.   I never worked for an eikaiwa school, but from friends and plenty of online postings, I'm not sure I'd want to do that unless my goal was use it to get to the country and find a better job ASAP. 
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2009, 12:14:42 PM »
I didn't really have my heart set totally on Japan. It was my first choice because it's definitely the best asian over seas teaching deal. I think the next best deal would be to check other countries because the cost of living is probably a shit load lower than Japan, and anything other than JET in Japan probably pays the same.
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Re: Tell me about Korea.
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2009, 12:17:47 PM »
More like The Buzzkill. I'd say do it Gillo. I want to do something similar. Japan doesn't want me so maybe I might check out Korea. I'm just about to graduate. I might as well dick around over seas for a year or two before I go to grad school or find a job.

JET is the best, but there are other programs and companies you can go on/apply to for teaching English in Japan. 

I think if we liked Korea we'd be up for applying to JET. I think it's harder to get into JET, though, no?
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