"A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics

[Human Snorenado]

It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

on a political scale how much does it bother you?

On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it's about a 3.

[Cheebs]

And its not like the 1k pages are magically new stuff thrown out there. It's a mix of the senate and house bills that passed a week ago. So they know the material and have read it Complaining they haven't read it was just a political ploy, not anything real.


Anyway, the awesome Debbie Wasserman Schultz completely annalihated the Republican she was arguging with on Hardball. She stated exactly how much money his district is personally getting from the stimulus and exactly what was getting the money, like school funding etc. She completely caught him and chris matthews off guard. 

[TakingBackSunday]

It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

Pretty sure that promise only guaranteed that for bills that weren't considered emergencies by the administration, which this obviously is.

[Cheebs]

Oh and seeing how FoC feels the need to show up in this thread again I think it is time we brush up on some of his political views.

How about those times he claimed ending slavery wasn't that important?

the way in which america ended slavery was clearly not the right thing

the civil war was not worth ending slavery

Or when he compared the Iraq War to the Civl War?

So you supported the Civil war, but not the Iraq war because the slaves were in America?

Here are some lovely opinions as well:

give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day.

I'd rather have Huckabee than Hillary any day of the week 

I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:

Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.

[TakingBackSunday]

give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day.

omg 

[Crushed]

I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:

Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.

It means that FoC honestly believes that Japan didn't invade America because civilians can own guns. Not because of the population being multiple times larger, not because the American landmass stretches a continent, not because of the re-cock-ulously impossible cost of mounting an invasion against America (even Hitler thought it would be a century before America would ever be invaded), nor even because Japan never had any goddamned reason to invade America at all.

No, it's because Japan was afraid of THE MIGHTY SECOND AMENDMENT.

tl;dr: libertopians are completely ignorant of history

[Van Cruncheon]

well, he did admit he favors dogmatic delusion over social responsibility

[Phoenix Dark]

It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

on a political scale how much does it bother you?

meh, fuck scales. The debate has been raging for so long. Having the bill public asap would have been great.

[Crushed]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

but what's this!? conservatives tell us the truth: these files are pdfs in order to HIDE THE TRUTH

[recursivelyenumerable]

they all seem searchable, maybe they fixed it?

I doubt it had anything to do with hiding anything, but pdf-only is kinda lame.

[Crushed]

they all seem searchable, maybe they fixed it?

I think it's just conservatives not knowing how to use computers.

[Human Snorenado]

So, since the Republicans seem hell bent on screaming about how much this costs and how it's fiscally irresponsible to vote for it, blah blah blah, it's pretty instructive to look at how many Democrats were able to be persuaded browbeaten into vote for Dubya's 2001 tax cuts.

28 Congresscritters and 12 Senators.

You know, bipartisanship really doesn't work when one party is basically autistic.  Lest ye forget, a lot of these idiots are the same ones that impeached Clinton but didn't do jack about Bush and Cheney.  Oh, and the kicker?  Those tax cuts cost 1.35 trillion.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Republicans are far more "take it or leave it" than the Democrats.

Which is a shame that a number of social programs from this package took a hit.  Democrats need to be more aggressive but I guess life isn't fair.

[siamesedreamer]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html

LMFAO

 

[Cheebs]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html

LMFAO

 

I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

but what's this!? conservatives tell us the truth: these files are pdfs in order to HIDE THE TRUTH[/url]

[TakingBackSunday]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html

LMFAO

 

hey, there he is again

[siamesedreamer]

I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.

Bububububut Gallup!

Obama's Catepillar factory pr stunt was a complete disaster. First the CEO contradicting him and then this. Just admit it and move on.

[Cheebs]

I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.

Bububububut Gallup!

Obama's Catepillar factory pr stunt was a complete disaster. First the CEO contradicting him and then this. Just admit it and move on.

Or you mean every fucking poll other than rasmussen.

So if that wasn't the part you found funny then you find it hilarious a company has to lay off jobs when Obama was hopefully they could hire?

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

[siamesedreamer]

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 

[Crushed]

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 

How on earth did he lie? 

[TakingBackSunday]

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 

How are you not fucking lepered yet?  At first you were alright when the election was going on but your acting exactly like your Saviors in Congress right not: distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Phoenix Dark]

EAST PEORIA, ILL. -- President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., "said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

Claim: stimulus bill will allow Caterpillar to rehire workers previously laid off

Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html
Claim: stimulus bill will allow us to rehire workers, but not before we lay off more workers

Where's the lie? The only stretch of the truth here is in the article, where Tapper puts words into Obama's mouth. Obama never said Caterpillar is going to magically stop laying off people due to the almighty stimulus - he said the stimulus is going to allow them to rehire folks. Didn't give a timeline.

Also
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090213050922AACu7ah

[Cheebs]

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 

How the fuck was he lying. He said the stimulus package will alloy them to start rehiring but said there will be more layoff's first.

How the fuck is that a lie? It's just spin to find something to attack him on.

You are looking for excuses to not like  the President, find real reasons instead of digging around for misquoted nonsense and screaming LIAR LIAR LIAR.

[Van Cruncheon]

siamesedreamer utterly destroyed again

obama continues unbroken domination of conservatards

[FlameOfCallandor]

Looks like Bush didnt lie either when he said Iraq was going to be a safer place.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's going to get messier before it gets safer.

-Bush redeemed in 2009?

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[TakingBackSunday]

But it got messier after it got messier

[Phoenix Dark]

           

[FlameOfCallandor]

But it got messier after it got messier

Yes but eventually its going to be a safe place. Just like eventually that company will hire again. When "eventually" is? Who knows, but as long as we all forget about it by 2012 it wont matter.

[TakingBackSunday]

What a terrible argument.  Eventually I'll get laid.  When that happens, I will no longer be socially awkward and every girl will want to fuck. my. cock.

Like seriously, that logic is horrible.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18832.html

disgusting

[Crushed]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18832.html

disgusting

you see, republicans think that counting votes is cheating

[TakingBackSunday]

Poor Franken.  Fucker won that thing.

[Cheebs]

Franken won the  election, they can't keep him out forever. He'll get in eventually. All it will do is hurt the GOP in Minnesota because it is obvious that Franken won.


And SNL destoyed the GOP last night. Dan Akyroyd as John Boehner. 

[siamesedreamer]

Obama: Caterpillar to rehire if stimulus passes

The president's travel to pitch the urgency of the stimulus plan was his third day in a row to leave Washington. On Thursday, he goes to Peoria, Ill., to visit a Caterpillar manufacturing plant.

The world's largest maker of mining and construction machinery announced more than 22,000 job cuts last month amid waning demand for its products.

But Obama said the company told him Wednesday it would hire back some of those workers if the legislation passes. As House and Senate negotiators worked to reconcile differences between competing versions of the legislation, Obama spoke during a visit to a highway construction site here just outside of Washington.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29139938/

[youtube=560,345]W_qxVh4WMNY[/youtube]

I was watching this live Wednesday. But, apparently he wasn't lying. Its just spin. Tapper is putting words in his mouth yada yada yada.

[Cheebs]

Because you are ignoring where he said BEFORE they can rehire there will be more layoffs.

[The Fake Shemp]

This is the weakest political argument I've ever seen - we're arguing about semantics. 

The CEO of Caterpillar has even come out after Tapper launched his ridiculous line of questioning at the press conference to say, "Hey, Obama was right, we might be able to rehire some workers on the condition of the stimulus bill passing, along with international economic recovery and not immediately."

I also watched the Peoria conference live, and never did Obama say, "This bill passes and we hire ALL the workers IMMEDIATELY."

This is beyond dumb, siamesedreamer.  Of all the things the GOP or you could make a fuss about, this isn't it.

[Cheebs]

And it's not like Obama has been cheery and over-optimistic. He has  been constantly stating that there will be a lot more job loss before things improve and it could be over a year before we can notice any improvement.

[Cheebs]

This is what is wrong with post-2008 Republicans. They are obsessed with party unity and 100% opposition and any Republican who goes against this unified opposition to do any sort of governing at all gets mocked. Do they actually think running a party based purely on unified opposition is what the public actually wants? If they want to win an election they need more Crist and Specter like politicians who place governing on a higher priority than party unity but noooo being UNIFIED will bring them to power somehow!

I don't think he's helped any national Republican ambitions he may have by stepping up to the plate and batting for the other team. … There's a difference between working in a bipartisan way for the common good and switching sides and putting on the other team's jersey," said veteran Republican consultant Alex Castellanos. "At the one moment when we've finally found our voice and remember who we are as Republicans, Charlie Crist forgets. It's stunning."

[Crushed]

This is what is wrong with post-2008 Republicans. They are obsessed with party unity and 100% opposition and any Republican who goes against this unified opposition to do any sort of governing at all gets mocked. Do they actually think running a party based purely on unified opposition is what the public actually wants? If they want to win an election they need more Crist and Specter like politicians who place governing on a higher priority than party unity but noooo being UNIFIED will bring them to power somehow!

I don't think he's helped any national Republican ambitions he may have by stepping up to the plate and batting for the other team. … There's a difference between working in a bipartisan way for the common good and switching sides and putting on the other team's jersey," said veteran Republican consultant Alex Castellanos. "At the one moment when we've finally found our voice and remember who we are as Republicans, Charlie Crist forgets. It's stunning."

RINOS!!! They lost because they weren't conservative enough!

[Human Snorenado]

Also, the governor of the most socially conservative state (Utah) just came out in favor of civil unions.  OH TEH NOES!

[siamesedreamer]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

[Human Snorenado]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

Tell you what, as soon as he starts a war for no damn good reason or starts wiping his ass with the Constitution in general and the 4th Amendment in particular, I'll start getting outraged.

OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE, OBAMA SAID THAT AFTER THE STIMULUS PASSED JOBS WOULD COME BACK AND SOME GUY SORT OF MAYBE CONTRADICTED HIM!  WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

[patrickula]

Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.

[Human Snorenado]

Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.

Tru dat, that's something to actually get outraged about.  Of course Republicans REALLY can't do that.

[TakingBackSunday]

If he proceeds to do anything more about that FISA thing (which honestly I have no idea where that stands at the moment), I'll lose a bit of respect for the man, already moreso than when he voted for it.

[Rman]

A bit OT, but have you guys heard the Governor of South Carolina might not accepts the bailout funds.

From the WSJ

Across the country, cash-starved governors from both parties are eagerly awaiting stimulus money from Washington, hoping to stem the recession's impact on local budgets. Not Mark Sanford, South Carolina's Republican chief executive.

He lobbied against the recovery package pushed by President Barack Obama and has suggested he may not take any of the funds, sparking a dispute in his home state with Democrats and even some Republicans. The sparring is a microcosm of the broader debate taking place over the role of government in the flagging economy.

"I'm opposed to it because we are at a real gut-check point on what drives our economy," Mr. Sanford said in a recent interview. Instead of fostering a market-based economy in which bad choices have consequences, Mr. Sanford said, the U.S. is in jeopardy of creating a "savior-based economy," with the federal government careening from "one ad-hoc decision to the next."

Wow.  I can understand with not agreeing with the bailout, but to deny his funds that benefit his state seems ludicrous.

[TakingBackSunday]

South Carolina had a good run

[Cheebs]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

[Human Snorenado]

South Carolina had a good run

Haha yeah no it didn't.

[Phoenix Dark]

At least he's not a hypocrite. Most rep governor want the money badly.

Obama is trying the talking heads crazy. SD is on the verge of suicide

[FlameOfCallandor]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?

[Cheebs]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?

I am just going to repost this this it wouldn't be that nice of me to try to and talk to someone who lives in Texas, they aren't that evolved down there:




Oh and seeing how FoC feels the need to show up in this thread again I think it is time we brush up on some of his political views.

How about those times he claimed ending slavery wasn't that important?

the way in which america ended slavery was clearly not the right thing

the civil war was not worth ending slavery

Or when he compared the Iraq War to the Civl War?

So you supported the Civil war, but not the Iraq war because the slaves were in America?

Here are some lovely opinions as well:

give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day.

I'd rather have Huckabee than Hillary any day of the week 

I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:

Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.

[Van Cruncheon]

Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.

So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?

because very little of it went to the major industries that define our economic infrastructure, unlike ww2. most of it went to military contractors and overseas manufacturing.

[Phoenix Dark]

How many tanks did GM produce for Iraq

smh Foc

[Flannel Boy]

It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

[Crushed]

It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

It stimulated Halliburton.

[Eric P]

i wonder how they feel about moving their headquarters to dubai now.

[Phoenix Dark]

Sure. But as Drinky pointed out the financial players involved were building shit over there instead of creating jobs here, like with WWII. Private business made killings on Iraq, not businesses that are apart of our national fabric - like GM who put people back to work during that war

[Van Cruncheon]

It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

true, in certain rarified sectors, i suspect that there was a LOT of growth

buy overseas ammunition and body armor futures