Author Topic: ~EB STREET FIGHTER IV THREAD~ (Read 84361 times)

archie4208 · « **Reply #660 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:11:03 PM »

The HRAP EX (supposed to be a good stick) is sold out at Amazon and is going for $250. It normally goes for $129. The Hori EX 2 (supposed to suck ass) is in stock and goes for 60 bucks. I have seen one for $40 at Gamestop but it was sold before I could make up my mind on it. SF4 hype has caused a massive demand in arcade sticks.

cool breeze · « **Reply #661 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:11:17 PM »

If I was getting two TE and I could sell it for $400+ I'd do it right away

I mean, if you needed another high quality one, you could always go for the $130 hori one

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #662 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:34:29 PM »

That's really odd that the Hori one sucks, they usually make decent controllers. But if I get this game I'd probably just get that.

archie4208 · « **Reply #663 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:37:29 PM »

It's probably suitable unless you are going to get uber hardcore in the game.

drohne · « **Reply #664 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:38:16 PM »

the entry level hori sticks really aren't that bad imo -- obviously they don't feel as good as something with sanwa parts, and i've heard that they're not very durable, but my execution on them really isn't that much worse than on my modded hraps. there's something inherently satisfying about an arcade quality joystick, but if you just want to play the game and hit your moves they're fine

Grecco · « **Reply #665 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:45:11 PM »

I almost bought one today.. almost

but i heard gamestop will get 1 Fight pad. Decided to wait for that. $:-\$

Rman · « **Reply #666 on:** February 21, 2009, 11:18:48 PM »

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #667 on:** February 22, 2009, 03:25:43 AM »

Got a Blanka PS3 pad tonight at Gamestop. Anyone want to make an offer

Vrolokus · « **Reply #668 on:** February 22, 2009, 04:46:17 AM »

Sorry if this was already posted, but: Sirlin made some interesting comments on SFIV, and I have to say a lot of his criticisms seem dead-on to me.

http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2009/2/22/a-few-things-about-street-fighter-4.html

cool breeze · « **Reply #669 on:** February 22, 2009, 10:38:51 AM »

Quote

In ranked matches (well, all matches) there is no double blind character select. This means the optimum strategy is often to wait until the opponent chooses first so you can counter-pick. This is a very annoying situation.

Last night when I would pick Fei Long, I'd see people right away move the cursor to Akuma. lol

archie4208 · « **Reply #670 on:** February 22, 2009, 11:04:44 AM »

Fei Long infinite

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #671 on:** February 22, 2009, 01:18:01 PM »

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 22, 2009, 04:46:17 AM

Sorry if this was already posted, but: Sirlin made some interesting comments on SFIV, and I have to say a lot of his criticisms seem dead-on to me.

http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2009/2/22/a-few-things-about-street-fighter-4.html

Seeing how I'm not a hardcore fighting game fan, I didn't understand much of what he was going on about.

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #672 on:** February 22, 2009, 04:21:03 PM »

Went back and got the PS3 Chun Li fight pad today, hopefully I can get these sold before they are restocked.

Still haven't seen an Akuma pad in the wild.

Rman · « **Reply #673 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:36:54 AM »

I think I fought Drohne on a ranked matched. Funny running into board members on random ranked matches. I was rattlemonster, drohne. Good game.

bork · « **Reply #674 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:15:46 AM »

Quote from: Rman on February 23, 2009, 12:36:54 AM

I think I fought Drohne on a ranked matched. Funny running into board members on random ranked matches. I was rattlemonster, drohne. Good game.

I just played some games with Drohne in a player match that I was also randomly looking for (just hit search and then mashed A for the first one that came up!)

Jansen · « **Reply #675 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:51:24 AM »

my copy and a fightpad is supposed to be delivered today

Bebpo · « **Reply #676 on:** February 23, 2009, 03:27:11 AM »

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 22, 2009, 04:46:17 AM

Sorry if this was already posted, but: Sirlin made some interesting comments on SFIV, and I have to say a lot of his criticisms seem dead-on to me.

http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2009/2/22/a-few-things-about-street-fighter-4.html

Great write up. I agree that some of the stuff like EX Focus Cancelling is way more complicated than it should be and thus far less practical in use if you aren't a master of dexterity. You really shouldn't have had to dash cancel after focus canceling your normal move. Guilty Gear, Tatsunoko don't make you dash after a cancel.

Also I agree with the stuff about links. But then again as long as I don't play high level players who are on the top 1% playing field it's pretty much a non-issue since no one is pulling that stuff off with 99% hit rate.

bork · « **Reply #677 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:51:27 AM »

Thinking I might end up switching my main from Cammy back to Chun-Li. I seem to be having better success against the higher-level players with the latter; it's very, very difficult for me to win against good Guile and now Zangief players with her. Although it is a hell of a lot of fun doing endless hooligan combo throws on clueless players. Perhaps it will just be both.

Pretty much just using Cammy (and now Chun) in ranked, and then in player matches, I like to use Dan, Zangief, Abel, Gouken, Sakura, Sagat, and sometimes Rose.

Who has everyone settled on?

Quote from: Bebpo on February 23, 2009, 03:27:11 AM

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 22, 2009, 04:46:17 AM
Sorry if this was already posted, but: Sirlin made some interesting comments on SFIV, and I have to say a lot of his criticisms seem dead-on to me.

http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2009/2/22/a-few-things-about-street-fighter-4.html

Great write up. I agree that some of the stuff like EX Focus Cancelling is way more complicated than it should be and thus far less practical in use if you aren't a master of dexterity. You really shouldn't have had to dash cancel after focus canceling your normal move. Guilty Gear, Tatsunoko don't make you dash after a cancel.

Also I agree with the stuff about links. But then again as long as I don't play high level players who are on the top 1% playing field it's pretty much a non-issue since no one is pulling that stuff off with 99% hit rate.

I REALLY wish that SF4 had the same online set-up as HD Remix, especially in regards to the character selection screen. I hate the players who wait for you to choose and then pick a "counter" character, although most of the time I'm going to be whoever the hell I want and they're gonna be Ryu or Ken, so it really doesn't matter. In fact, it seems to throw these players OFF when I go right to a non-shoto and pick him/her. It's as if they've never fought another character before, and perhaps they haven't with the way they play. $:-\$

And while I agree about it being an absolute failure in regards to the game play being casual-friendly, there IS another way of looking at this game-- No one says that you have to do all that complex stuff. You don't have to do focus attacks. Hell, you don't even have to throw. Are you gonna get your ass kicked online by anyone competent? *YES*. Can you have a great time picking your old favorites and button-(s)mashing offline or in player matches against your buddies, reliving the old days? *YES*.

It's more "casual-friendly" in that you can pick an old favorite and get into the game much easier in comparison to any other Street Fighter game since SF2. There's no multiple battle systems. No super arts to select. No parrying. You pick a character and GO. I think it's this, combined with the old cast and the change to polygons over sprites (EX was a different era) that's gotten people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit interested. If this was the exact same game but with sprites, I bet it wouldn't be anywhere near as popular, and people would just be wondering why they should fork over $59.99 for SF4 when they can just download HD Remix for $15.

And while I love HD Remix, I think it's far, far easier to have a real fighting chance with any character in SF4 compared to HD Remix.

Beezy · « **Reply #678 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:43:08 AM »

Cammy's theme is so sexy.

Just in case there's someone here who I haven't added, my gamertag is Ji3eezy.

archie4208 · « **Reply #679 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:49:26 AM »

Boxer is pretty fucking fun. I suck with him but I think he's gonna be my main. Super armor during EX moves is just

Himu · « **Reply #680 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:58:29 AM »

So now that you've had your hand with Cammy, how is she lyte?

Cheebs · « **Reply #681 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:35:03 AM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on February 23, 2009, 04:51:27 AM

Thinking I might end up switching my main from Cammy back to Chun-Li. I seem to be having better success against the higher-level players with the latter; it's very, very difficult for me to win against good Guile and now Zangief players with her.

Cammy is my main, and yeah I face the same problems against Zangief users with her. She isn't that great and I can use Ryu to greater success than her in almost any situation but I just like Cammy and her play style so much and the fact very few use her so I plan on keep sticking with her even if it means I won't win as much as I normally could.

Himu · « **Reply #682 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:52:04 AM »

I hear Cammy's been nerfed

Cheebs · « **Reply #683 on:** February 23, 2009, 11:43:20 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2009, 10:52:04 AM

I hear Cammy's been nerfed

She is but I don't care, I still use her.

cool breeze · « **Reply #684 on:** February 23, 2009, 11:50:51 AM »

Cammy is pretty fun to play as. I'm trying to pick 'off' characters to use mainly and she's one of the ones I use. Fei Long, Vega, and Cammy

I was thinking about Dhalsim just to whore his teleport, but wow, he fucking sucks now. He floats in the air and instead of using the teleport as an advantage, it's now a necessity.

Robo · « **Reply #685 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:18:26 PM »

I really like Dhalsim's ultra, which you can use as pretty decent pressure like Oro's SA2 (without all the unblockable stuff, of course), but other than that, I got nothing. He's much slower, weaker, and even more floaty than usual.

I'm using M.Bison/Dictator as a main at the moment, with a little Fei Long, Balrog/Boxer, Zangief, Sagat, Ryu, Honda, and Guile to keep things fresh.

Rman · « **Reply #686 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:36:11 PM »

Nerfed, Cammy? Her special moves have insane priority.

As for my picks. I've been playing as Guile almost exclusively in ranked matches, sometimes with some Sagat action in there. In player matches, it has been El Fuerte, C. Viper, Gouken, Sakura, and Boxer. C. Viper is awesome. I need to put some more time with her as her poking and pressure game are top notch.

Robo · « **Reply #687 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:50:13 PM »

I need to play a good Guile so I can steal some tactics.

archie4208 · « **Reply #688 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:57:53 PM »

Anyone order a TE stick from Amazon? Mine still hasn't shipped yet.

Vrolokus · « **Reply #689 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:01:39 PM »

I have 2 ordered from Amazon, they're supposed to ship tomorrow but... *shrugs*

Enl · « **Reply #690 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:14:09 PM »

Great games last night drohne. It's been a while since I took a beating like that. I seem to be having a hard time lately trying to find good people to play online. I don't know if was my joystick or the online or if it was just me but I was having some serious issues pulling off Gulie's sonic boom in that one match. I think out of the 15 I did I only pulled off one.

bork · « **Reply #691 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:26:48 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2009, 08:58:29 AM

So now that you've had your hand with Cammy, how is she lyte?

I hear Cammy's been nerfed

So I've had the 360 version since 2/12, and I've been playing for over 60 hours now. Probably around 70-80 if you factor in the game at friends' houses and on PS3 too. And I've used Cammy the vast majority of this time. There's no way that she has been "nerfed" or that she sucks; I saw a thread about that on SRK and I see that others in it agree. You can't say that when this is a new game engine and new stuff has been added...it might mean that OLD tactics may not work or be as effective, but there's now new ones. The game (or at least for the home version characters) is still too new to be able to make an assessment like that so quickly. Hell, even the arcade version character tier stuff is still changing. Now people are putting C. Viper and Akuma at the top with Gief and Sagat, and Ryu has moved down a notch. And if you are looking at the tier list in that SF4 guide, forget about it. How is the guy who wrote that going to have a tier list in place for a game that just came out? He can't; I'm guessing it's based on play time with a select group of people, and that's what they came up with, but there's a ton more people with access to the game now.

Anyway, Cammy rocks. She has insane priority on some of her specials, and a very useful air throw. SHOTO. KILLAH. The drawback with her that to really be effective, you need to stay CLOSE UP at all times, and this can be difficult against grapplers. When you're close though, you've got all kinds of options open to you.

Quote from: Cheebs on February 23, 2009, 10:35:03 AM

Cammy is my main, and yeah I face the same problems against Zangief users with her. She isn't that great and I can use Ryu to greater success than her in almost any situation but I just like Cammy and her play style so much and the fact very few use her so I plan on keep sticking with her even if it means I won't win as much as I normally could.

Up until the last day or two, I was owning Giefs left and right with Cammy, but now I am finding that I am being grabbed out of what I thought were safe, well-timed cannon spikes and spiral arrows, so I'm unsure.

With Cammy, I find I have a very hard time against good Gief, Guile, M. Bison, and surprisingly E. Honda players. I faced a Honda last night that I know I would have destroyed with anyone else, but I couldn't get past his defense with Cammy. Need to work on it.

Quote from: swaggaz on February 23, 2009, 11:50:51 AM

Cammy is pretty fun to play as. I'm trying to pick 'off' characters to use mainly and she's one of the ones I use. Fei Long, Vega, and Cammy

I was thinking about Dhalsim just to whore his teleport, but wow, he fucking sucks now. He floats in the air and instead of using the teleport as an advantage, it's now a necessity.

Yeah, I enjoy using the less-popular or just lesser-used characters. Rose is another I want to learn better because I've faced someone using her just ONCE this entire time. I played one awesome Dhalsim player, but found I was able to own him badly with Abel just doing basic stuff. It seemed like there was nothing 'Sim could do against it.

Quote from: Rman on February 23, 2009, 12:36:11 PM

Nerfed, Cammy? Her special moves have insane priority.

As for my picks. I've been playing as Guile almost exclusively in ranked matches, sometimes with some Sagat action in there. In player matches, it has been El Fuerte, C. Viper, Gouken, Sakura, and Boxer. C. Viper is awesome. I need to put some more time with her as her poking and pressure game are top notch.

C. Viper is SICK SICK SICK SICK. Haunts plays her so awesomely. Makes my jaw drop.

Quote from: RoboJ on February 23, 2009, 12:50:13 PM

I need to play a good Guile so I can steal some tactics.

Paging Drohne!

It's because of his Guile that I got much better against Guile players in such a short time.

Jansen · « **Reply #692 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:32:18 PM »

fuck seth. what a douche. i couldn't beat him with c viper but once i switched to ken i beat his ass down

cool breeze · « **Reply #693 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:42:09 PM »

Quote

Yeah, I enjoy using the less-popular or just lesser-used characters. Rose is another I want to learn better because I've faced someone using her just ONCE this entire time. I played one awesome Dhalsim player, but found I was able to own him badly with Abel just doing basic stuff. It seemed like there was nothing 'Sim could do against it.

I tried to play as Rose, but she looks like a goddamn cheeseburger and her moves suck. It's not Fei Long suck either where they're fast after a long wind up, they are slow slow. Only good thing about her is that her super/ultra rocks.

MoxManiac · « **Reply #694 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:24:38 PM »

Still maining rufus. Less then a hundred away from 2000 BP, but i'm finding it hard to gain enough BP since it seems like I attract 0 bp people to the rooms I create for some reason.

People have discovered that disconnecting has no penalty, so BP doesn't really have any meaning anyways. $:-\$ I still want to increase it since it seems to unlock titles/icons.

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #695 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:02:31 PM »

Maining Ryu. Ken has been my character since SFII, but he's been crazy nerfed compared to his Third Strike rendition. EX Hadoken doesn't knock down anymore, and it's hard to connect his Shoryureppa if your opponent is airborne. His Ultra is pretty useless as well; it has really low priority.

I love using Shotos.

Jansen · « **Reply #696 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:13:43 PM »

welp i still suck at street fighter but i'm loving the game

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #697 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:25:37 PM »

I feel like learning Sakura and Fei-Long.

Akala · « **Reply #698 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:34:35 PM »

For some reason last week, I tried unlocking characters on the 'easy' setting. I was getting cheesed by Seth pretty bad, so I gave up and did other stuff. I tried Sunday and realized that it goes another 2 tiers down, and it's just lol.

All I have left to unlock is Seth now, but haven't really had the time or inclination for an all clear. $:-\$

archie4208 · « **Reply #699 on:** February 24, 2009, 06:40:16 AM »

TE stick got delayed. Now I have to play this 2 more weeks with the 360 controller. :'(

Cheebs · « **Reply #700 on:** February 24, 2009, 08:47:38 AM »

Quote from: distantmantra on February 23, 2009, 10:25:37 PM

I feel like learning Sakura and Fei-Long.

I really like using Sakura, I dunno why. I never did in the Alpha games. She is fun to learn.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #701 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:40:59 AM »

Still dont know who I'm going to main. I like Sakura, Akuma and Gouken.. I like Gouken alot though

demi · « **Reply #702 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:41:26 AM »

Some british kid is the world record holder for 108 straight wins

MMaRsu · « **Reply #703 on:** February 24, 2009, 12:03:16 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 24, 2009, 11:41:26 AM

Some british kid is the world record holder for 108 straight wins

jesus

bork · « **Reply #704 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:18:16 PM »

cool breeze · « **Reply #705 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:27:46 PM »

bork · « **Reply #706 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:31:44 PM »

BTW the Beauty Pack is now up on XBL U.S.

MCD · « **Reply #707 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:36:05 PM »

i still can't believe capcom are charging for alt costumes, i always loved unlocking those in fighting games

bork · « **Reply #708 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:37:33 PM »

Quote from: MCD on February 24, 2009, 03:36:05 PM

i still can't believe capcom are charging for alt costumes, i always loved unlocking those in fighting games

It should have been like the arcade version and unlocked as a reward for getting a certain amount of BP. Maybe 1000 would have been good.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #709 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:47:05 PM »

I'd pay to unlock Seth and Gouken - only characters I have left to unlock.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #710 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:49:43 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2009, 03:47:05 PM

I'd pay to unlock Seth and Gouken - only characters I have left to unlock.

Me too.

MCD · « **Reply #711 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:50:54 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on February 24, 2009, 03:37:33 PM

Quote from: MCD on February 24, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
i still can't believe capcom are charging for alt costumes, i always loved unlocking those in fighting games

It should have been like the arcade version and unlocked as a reward for getting a certain amount of BP. Maybe 1000 would have been good.

anything but paying but what can we do...

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2009, 03:47:05 PM

I'd pay to unlock Seth and Gouken - only characters I have left to unlock.

I asked my friend to unlock Akuma and Gouken for me, too much work to bother.

Seth just requires patience so no problem (remember to set timer to 30 and one round).

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #712 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:53:40 PM »

I was able to get Akuma. Gouken has been tough. I think Abel is the easiest for me to pull off an Ultra with, but getting two opponents K.O.'d with his Ultra without toally dumbing down the difficulty is frustrating.

MCD · « **Reply #713 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:57:17 PM »

The trick is to spam Hadouken non stop till your opponent is near death then let him damage you to fill ultra gauge then go ultra on his/her ass.

that's what my friend did anyway.

cool breeze · « **Reply #714 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:58:35 PM »

the trick is jumping high kick, sweep the leg, continue until they have little life left, let hem beat you down, then ultra them so even if they block they die.

bork · « **Reply #715 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:35:42 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2009, 03:53:40 PM

I was able to get Akuma. Gouken has been tough. I think Abel is the easiest for me to pull off an Ultra with, but getting two opponents K.O.'d with his Ultra without toally dumbing down the difficulty is frustrating.

If you just want to do it the fast, easy way--

(Make sure you have beaten the game both WITH Akuma AND with whomever you are attempting to get Gouken with first!)

-Change the difficulty setting to easiest.
-All matches 1 round.
-Leave the timer alone.
-Pick Ryu.
-Do NOTHING but fireballs the first two matches. You should get two perfects with no problem. Now you're gonna need at least two ultra finishes, but to be safe go for 3-4.
-It's on the easiest difficulty, so beat the SHIT out of your opponents. Get them down to just a few bars of life. Now let the enemy beat you up until you get an ultra bar. Do your ultra fireball. Even if they block, witj the life left, they're gonna lose. Repeat.

-Remember that if CPU Seth decides to be a fuck-head and kill you all of a sudden, hit start on controller two before the round is over-- after you beat up the lifeless "dummy," it will go back to arcade mode and start the round over as if you never lost. This will work on any difficulty level.

Robo · « **Reply #716 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:53:15 PM »

That Ken flow chart is missing an "OH SHIT, DISCONNECT!!!!" bubble, but is otherwise on-point.

Vrolokus · « **Reply #717 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:52:41 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on February 24, 2009, 06:40:16 AM

TE stick got delayed. Now I have to play this 2 more weeks with the 360 controller. :'(

I got the 2 week delay note, but just now I got an e-mail asking me if I still want it.

Crap... doesn't sound good...

archie4208 · « **Reply #718 on:** February 24, 2009, 06:03:08 PM »

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 24, 2009, 05:52:41 PM

Quote from: archie4208 on February 24, 2009, 06:40:16 AM
TE stick got delayed. Now I have to play this 2 more weeks with the 360 controller. :'(

I got the 2 week delay note, but just now I got an e-mail asking me if I still want it.

Crap... doesn't sound good...

Yeah I just got that email too. I wish I had bought a HRAP EX when I had a chance.

Cheebs · « **Reply #719 on:** February 24, 2009, 06:25:36 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on February 24, 2009, 03:58:35 PM

the trick is jumping high kick, sweep the leg, continue until they have little life left, let hem beat you down, then ultra them so even if they block they die.

My problem is over half the time I try to pull an ultra with Ryu to unlock him he does the regular version (or a dragon punch) and ends up ko'ing them. It's frustrating.

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Author Topic: ~EB STREET FIGHTER IV THREAD~ (Read 84361 times)