Author Topic: evilbore sonic mega drive collection thread (Read 11020 times)

demi · « **Reply #60 on:** February 12, 2009, 12:46:01 AM »

by the way, to the guy who said we had to support "Ethan"

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Ethan’s official explanation for why Sonic 3 + Knuckles wasn’t included: “To shore up the development time necessary to get “Lock-On” to work in Sonic’s Ultimate Genesis Collection, we would have had to drop all of the bonus games from the disc. Faced with an either/or scenario, we chose to retain our title lineup in its entirety.”

Why would I support a flat out liar? Blind followers smh...

Rman · « **Reply #61 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:47:27 AM »

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 12:46:01 AM

by the way, to the guy who said we had to support "Ethan"

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Ethan’s official explanation for why Sonic 3 + Knuckles wasn’t included: “To shore up the development time necessary to get “Lock-On” to work in Sonic’s Ultimate Genesis Collection, we would have had to drop all of the bonus games from the disc. Faced with an either/or scenario, we chose to retain our title lineup in its entirety.”

Why would I support a flat out liar? Blind followers smh...

That's weird. These are old school games. How much space can they take?

Bildi · « **Reply #62 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:55:20 AM »

I hear some of these games are up to 16 megabits!

The Sceneman · « **Reply #63 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:45:31 AM »

After Burner: The Mega Cartridge

dammitmattt · « **Reply #64 on:** February 12, 2009, 09:51:55 AM »

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 12:46:01 AM

by the way, to the guy who said we had to support "Ethan"

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Ethan’s official explanation for why Sonic 3 + Knuckles wasn’t included: “To shore up the development time necessary to get “Lock-On” to work in Sonic’s Ultimate Genesis Collection, we would have had to drop all of the bonus games from the disc. Faced with an either/or scenario, we chose to retain our title lineup in its entirety.”

Why would I support a flat out liar? Blind followers smh...

What proof do you have that he's lying, demi?

demi · « **Reply #65 on:** February 12, 2009, 10:50:21 AM »

Quote from: dammitmattt on February 12, 2009, 09:51:55 AM

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 12:46:01 AM
by the way, to the guy who said we had to support "Ethan"

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Ethan’s official explanation for why Sonic 3 + Knuckles wasn’t included: “To shore up the development time necessary to get “Lock-On” to work in Sonic’s Ultimate Genesis Collection, we would have had to drop all of the bonus games from the disc. Faced with an either/or scenario, we chose to retain our title lineup in its entirety.”

Why would I support a flat out liar? Blind followers smh...

What proof do you have that he's lying, demi?

I flat out refuse to believe that they had to either "risk" dropping all the extras for a single game. False... I am taking this game back when I'm done with it. Sorry, but Mr. Einhorn is a piece of shit.

dammitmattt · « **Reply #66 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:48:11 AM »

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 10:50:21 AM

I flat out refuse to believe that they had to either "risk" dropping all the extras for a single game. False... I am taking this game back when I'm done with it. Sorry, but Mr. Einhorn is a piece of shit.

He is a producer going by what he was told from the development teams. So basically, you're calling him a piece of shit for being the messenger.

You don't always have to such a dick, but it's usually funny. Just be informed next time on where to direct your "rage."

demi · « **Reply #67 on:** February 12, 2009, 12:37:08 PM »

I don't think you even understand how it works.

dammitmattt · « **Reply #68 on:** February 12, 2009, 12:47:02 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 12:37:08 PM

I don't think you even understand how it works.

Well then, explain it to me, especially the part where it's specifically his fault that the lock-on shit isn't there.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #69 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:56:59 PM »

demi destroyed

only bits of fur and semen left :'(

demi · « **Reply #70 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:48:27 PM »

Changing the course of discussion, let's assume for a moment that Ethan is innocent. Let's ask a different question:

What changes in the development process allowed for the Sonic 3 & Knuckles "lock-on" feature to be implemented in the Sonic Mega Collection on the previous consoles, while opting out on a medium and platform that allowed for much more?

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #71 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:10:38 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on February 12, 2009, 12:29:56 AM

Quote from: demi on February 11, 2009, 03:34:38 PM
Alex Kidd sucks dick, I'm glad I never played this series before

the Master System games are pretty good but the Megadrive one is poop

Ugh, you aren't kidding. I wanted the MS games for so long, and when I got a Genesis one of the first five games I got was Alex Kidd. Man, it was pretty but so floaty it was just garbage. I've played some of the MS ones on emu and they still hold up a bit, they at least are unique. The Gen version is such a letdown in comparison. I can't remember but I don't even think I beat it which was rare back then for me.

demi · « **Reply #72 on:** February 12, 2009, 10:59:44 PM »

Well, another 1000 in the bag. Go me. So I will use this post to show what games I rated, and a little blurb on them. It's time to recollect, and see just what stood the test, and what deserves to be mocked and made fun of.

(Games can be rated from 0 to 5)

Alex Kidd: 0 - This game is awful.

Alien Storm: 0 - This game is awful.

Altered Beast: 0 - Awful

Beyond Oasis: 5 - A classic, I could play this over and over

Bonanza Bros: 0 - Not fun at all

Columns: 3 - Pretty basic, very difficult if you dont pause every move, but holds up

Comix Zone: 3 - Love the setting, the graphics, but can be frustrating

Decap Attack: 4 - One of the more fun platformers, inventory usage is different, but pretty easy

Dr Robotnik's MBM: 0 - I hate puyo puyo Protip: Use the code to go to the last level for the achievement - still gotta beat it though

Dynamite Headdy: 3 - Pretty, but frustrating

E-Swat: 1 - Cool, but frustrating and clunky

Ecco The Dolphin: 0 - Shit

Ecco The Dolphin 2: 0 - See Ecco

Fatal Labyrinth: 5 - Awesome, never knew about this game. Roguelike on Genny? Childhood would have gone by much better. A+

Flicky: 3 - Enjoyable, graphics are uggo

Gain Ground: 0 - Awful

Golden Axe: 0 - Dear god awful

Golden Axe 2: 1 - Still awful, but... no, still awful

Golden Axe 3: 3 - Muuuuch better. Still awful.

Kid Chameleon: 5 - Awesome, the level warp in stage 2 still works.

Phantasy Star 2: 5 - Default rating

Phantasy Star 3: 1 - Ughhh

Phantasy Star 4: 5 - You know it baby

Ristar: 3 - Mehhhhhhhhhh

Shining Force: 5 - Awesome

Shining Force 2: 5 - Awesome

Shining in the Darkness: 5 - Awesome

Shinobi 3: 5 - Awesome

Sonic & Knuckles: 3 - Meh

Sonic 3D Blast: 3 - Meh

Sonic Spinball: 5 - Awesome

Sonic the Hedgehog: 3 - Ok, for a mascot game

Sonic The Hedgehog 2: 5 - Very memorable, probably the best

Sonic The Hedgehog 3: 3 - They overdid it, graphics are crap. But whatever

Streets of Rage: 3 - Default

Streets of Rage 2: 4 - +1 Increase cause

Streets of Rage 3: 5 - Best beat em up ever... god I love this game (Protip: The Roo code doesnt work, you have to earn it the other way)

Super Thunder Blade: 0 - God Awful

Vectorman: 1 - Didnt hold up at all

Vectorman 2: 1 - Ditto. (Protip: Just use the level select code to warp to Level 11)

cool breeze · « **Reply #73 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:08:18 PM »

right about Beyond Oasis, Sonic 2, Shinobi 3

wrong about Comix Zone. It is a 5 all the way.

Bebpo · « **Reply #74 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:19:47 PM »

Did you actually beat all those games in 2 days (including the rpgs like Phantasy Star and Shining Force)? Cause that's pretty insane.

I do like your score breakdown. Maybe I will pick this up for Beyond Oasis.

demi · « **Reply #75 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:42:05 PM »

No I didnt play any of the RPGs Bebpo

dammitmattt · « **Reply #76 on:** February 12, 2009, 11:56:37 PM »

You are so, so wrong about Sonic 1 and 2, but I'll buy most of your other scores. Beyond Oasis was incredible back in the day.

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #77 on:** February 13, 2009, 12:18:40 AM »

Holy shit, this has the two Shining Force games AND Shining in the Darkness? I made SitD maps on graph paper as a kid, I loved that game.

This collection is stacked, I need to check it out.

edit: Makes the lack of Shadow Dancer that more curious. Glad it has the other two Shinobi games, but I liked Shadow Dancer

Demi was wrong about ESwat btw

tiesto · « **Reply #78 on:** February 13, 2009, 09:00:27 AM »

Quote from: demi on February 12, 2009, 10:59:44 PM

Ecco The Dolphin: 0 - Shit

Ecco The Dolphin 2: 0 - See Ecco

Kid Chameleon: 5 - Awesome, the level warp in stage 2 still works.

Phantasy Star 2: 5 - Default rating

Phantasy Star 3: 1 - Ughhh

Phantasy Star 4: 5 - You know it baby

demi

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #79 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:39:12 AM »

Yeah, I had Ecco and Ecco CD and hated both back in the day. I guess I just never 'got' those games, although it was fun to swim around for awhile.

Did anyone ever beat the Ecco games? Can it even be done?

Bebpo · « **Reply #80 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:10:49 PM »

Uh, it's been FOREVER since I played Genesis games, but did they always run at like 10fps with crazy slowdown or is this just bad emulation. Sonic Spinball's framerate is wacky and all over the place.

Also I think I've been spoiled by the Sega Ages packs

demi · « **Reply #81 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:13:17 PM »

They all ran fine for me. Comix Zone had some nasty glitches though.

jiji · « **Reply #82 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:16:03 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 13, 2009, 03:10:49 PM

Also I think I've been spoiled by the Sega Ages packs

Yeah, me too. I don't think another retro pack will come close.

Vrolokus · « **Reply #83 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:28:39 PM »

What's with the bullshit fuzzy filter they put on the games? (I'm talking about the default appearance, not the smoothing option.) It's just sick and wrong that Phantasy Star IV on the Wii via component cables is sharper than Phantasy Star IV on the 360 via HDMI.

I want razor sharp chunky pixels, dammit!

p.s.
E-Swat is horrible.

jiji · « **Reply #84 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:38:04 PM »

Wait, there's some kind of filter on the graphics even without the smoothing? They said it'd be straight pixel scaling.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #85 on:** February 13, 2009, 08:10:41 PM »

13 days to go :'(

Cant wait for my 1000/1000.

Are the Phantasy Sar/Shining Force games long? I hear they are good. Which ones should I play 1st?

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #86 on:** February 13, 2009, 09:16:39 PM »

Phantasy Star III. It's the best RPG ever.

demi · « **Reply #87 on:** February 13, 2009, 09:17:05 PM »

Just play 2 and 4

Vrolokus · « **Reply #88 on:** February 14, 2009, 12:37:22 AM »

I think you could get away with playing I and IV - II is great, but IV is better.

Bebpo · « **Reply #89 on:** February 14, 2009, 09:45:18 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on February 14, 2009, 08:49:28 AM

wtfffff

Space Harrier arcade voices been using helium. How do you fuck this shit up?

Backbone?

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #90 on:** February 14, 2009, 09:46:26 AM »

It's really sad that Phantasy Star III was so long and mediocre with no pay off that I couldn't justify the $100 price tag for Phantasy Star IV back in the day. I've still never played it, probably one of the last 16-bit RPG gems left for me. Maybe this is when I actually play it.

tiesto · « **Reply #91 on:** February 14, 2009, 10:23:06 AM »

Scenester - I'd go in order, unlock I and play that, then II and IV. IV has a lot of references to older games in the series, so make sure to play that last... III doesn't have much to do with the main series, and it's not a horrible game (there were much worse RPGs released around that time), but it just doesn't compare at all to the others.

Tet - Make sure to play IV, it's an excellent game in every sense of the word.

Bebpo · « **Reply #92 on:** February 14, 2009, 03:32:05 PM »

I want to play Phantasy Star I->IV (I missed all the Genesis rpgs growing up; only played the SNES ones) but my attempt at II a few years ago left me cold as the dungeons were all confusing and the game was reaaaaaally grindy. Plus tbh, the whole "we can only fit 'this' much text" per box makes it difficult for me to read the dialogue and enjoy it from a story perspective.

I think IV is more modern and playable from what I remember, but I'd feel wrong jumping into a series with continuity at the last game.

TVC15 · « **Reply #93 on:** February 14, 2009, 03:34:03 PM »

Man, Altered Beast is basically unplayable. Offhand, I cannot think of a game that has aged as poorly as that.

demi · « **Reply #94 on:** February 14, 2009, 03:34:31 PM »

The games are barely continuity, Bebpo. As much continuity as Star Ocean.

Vrolokus · « **Reply #95 on:** February 14, 2009, 04:02:55 PM »

demi speaks the truth - as a PS fan from the beginning, it actually kinda frustrated me how little each game had to do with the others.

But IV references I more than any of the others (only a few references to II, and a slight nod to III). If you're up for playing 4 30-hours games, then by all means play them all in order. But if you want an overview, play the first and the fourth. The only caveat is that I is very old-school, and the grinding it takes (especially to get started) is pretty hardcore.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #96 on:** February 14, 2009, 04:36:26 PM »

I can do old school (I think)

thanks for your advice everyone

tiesto · « **Reply #97 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:38:37 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 14, 2009, 03:34:03 PM

Man, Altered Beast is basically unplayable. Offhand, I cannot think of a game that has aged as poorly as that.

Altered Beast is very dull, but there are other games I think that held up much worse... Super Thunder Blade in particular, ugh.

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #98 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:35:46 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 14, 2009, 03:32:05 PM

I want to play Phantasy Star I->IV (I missed all the Genesis rpgs growing up; only played the SNES ones) but my attempt at II a few years ago left me cold as the dungeons were all confusing and the game was reaaaaaally grindy. Plus tbh, the whole "we can only fit 'this' much text" per box makes it difficult for me to read the dialogue and enjoy it from a story perspective.

I think IV is more modern and playable from what I remember, but I'd feel wrong jumping into a series with continuity at the last game.

The dungeons in II can definitely get confusing. You have to remember that the game came with extensive color maps for most of the dungeons though. I don't suppose they included that in the instruction booklet.

demi · « **Reply #99 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »

Not really, no

Vrolokus · « **Reply #100 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:51:27 PM »

II is like the first one in the sense that if you don't at least sketch a rudimentary map of the dungeons you're in (or find a map online), you're going to do a lot of walking in circles. Uzo Island in particular is a colossal pain in the ass.

This is my favorite site for Phantasy Star info:

http://rpg-home.lunar-net.com/choose.htm

Just use the drop down menu under PS.

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #101 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:54:46 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 15, 2009, 03:37:38 PM

Not really, no

You ever see the guide/hint book that came with PSII? It's like 60 full color pages with maps and old PC manual-style red filtered hints. It was bad-ass.

demi · « **Reply #102 on:** February 15, 2009, 03:57:29 PM »

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 15, 2009, 03:51:27 PM

II is like the first one in the sense that if you don't at least sketch a rudimentary map of the dungeons you're in (or find a map online), you're going to do a lot of walking in circles. Uzo Island in particular is a colossal pain in the ass.

This is my favorite site for Phantasy Star info:

http://rpg-home.lunar-net.com/choose.htm

Just use the drop down menu under PS.

This site sucks. Use RPGClassics instead

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/genesis/ps2/maps.shtml

Vrolokus · « **Reply #103 on:** February 15, 2009, 04:38:19 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 15, 2009, 03:57:29 PM

Quote from: Vrolokus on February 15, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
II is like the first one in the sense that if you don't at least sketch a rudimentary map of the dungeons you're in (or find a map online), you're going to do a lot of walking in circles. Uzo Island in particular is a colossal pain in the ass.

This is my favorite site for Phantasy Star info:

http://rpg-home.lunar-net.com/choose.htm

Just use the drop down menu under PS.

This site sucks. Use RPGClassics instead

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/genesis/ps2/maps.shtml

RPGClassics is pulling all its maps from the site I linked.

demi · « **Reply #104 on:** February 15, 2009, 04:43:22 PM »

The format and layout is better. Easier to navigate. It's the way of the web. You know how it goes.

tiesto · « **Reply #105 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:40:40 AM »

Woo, just gotta get that 500 photons achievement in Vectorman and I'll have 1000/1000ed this one.

demi · « **Reply #106 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »

you're a mess, charles

FatalT · « **Reply #107 on:** February 16, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on February 16, 2009, 09:33:23 PM

the more i play this, the more angry it makes me.

what a mess :/

What's a mess about it? I haven't had any problems with it.

demi · « **Reply #108 on:** February 19, 2009, 09:28:13 PM »

good now dont talk to me until you get 1000

pilonv1 · « **Reply #109 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:11:21 PM »

my copy arrived today

Bildi · « **Reply #110 on:** February 20, 2009, 12:01:07 AM »

I haven't seen mine yet.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #111 on:** February 20, 2009, 12:23:11 AM »

Its slated for the 27th over here. Pity my xbox is fucked! Oh well, I can still enjoy the LP

demi · « **Reply #112 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:22:51 PM »

Quote from: a slime appears on February 20, 2009, 09:12:04 AM

Quote from: demi on February 19, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
good now dont talk to me until you get 1000
I got a few more achievements last night. :'(

pilonv1 · « **Reply #113 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:46:37 AM »

Quote from: Bildi on February 20, 2009, 12:01:07 AM

I haven't seen mine yet.

promo sorry

fucking hell how do you get 100,000 on Altered Beast in the first level? or how do you do it with such a fuck awful game?

Bildi · « **Reply #114 on:** February 21, 2009, 03:15:40 AM »

Only a few more days at least.

demi · « **Reply #115 on:** February 21, 2009, 03:45:18 AM »

you have to get the 3 wolf orbs the instant they appear, that makes the boss appear quicker,and you get a huger (re: 100k) bonus

pilonv1 · « **Reply #116 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:41:17 AM »

yes but the game is fucking horrible

demi · « **Reply #117 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:06:32 AM »

yes but that doesnt give you reason to suck ass. you are better than the game.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #118 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:35:30 AM »

true. will try it after some race pro

Vrolokus · « **Reply #119 on:** February 21, 2009, 03:16:16 PM »

The Altered Beast one is cake. It's fucking Mean Bean Machine that makes 1000/1000 less attractive to me.

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