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2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« on: February 12, 2009, 12:37:59 PM »
February 12, 2009
Laid-Off Foreigners Flee as Dubai Spirals Down
By ROBERT F. WORTH

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Sofia, a 34-year-old Frenchwoman, moved here a year ago to take a job in advertising, so confident about Dubai’s fast-growing economy that she bought an apartment for almost $300,000 with a 15-year mortgage.

Now, like many of the foreign workers who make up 90 percent of the population here, she has been laid off and faces the prospect of being forced to leave this Persian Gulf city — or worse.

“I’m really scared of what could happen, because I bought property here,” said Sofia, who asked that her last name be withheld because she is still hunting for a new job. “If I can’t pay it off, I was told I could end up in debtors’ prison.”


With Dubai’s economy in free fall, newspapers have reported that more than 3,000 cars sit abandoned in the parking lot at the Dubai Airport, left by fleeing, debt-ridden foreigners (who could in fact be imprisoned if they failed to pay their bills). Some are said to have maxed-out credit cards inside and notes of apology taped to the windshield.


The government says the real number is much lower. But the stories contain at least a grain of truth: jobless people here lose their work visas and then must leave the country within a month. That in turn reduces spending, creates housing vacancies and lowers real estate prices, in a downward spiral that has left parts of Dubai — once hailed as the economic superpower of the Middle East — looking like a ghost town.

No one knows how bad things have become, though it is clear that tens of thousands have left, real estate prices have crashed and scores of Dubai’s major construction projects have been suspended or canceled. But with the government unwilling to provide data, rumors are bound to flourish, damaging confidence and further undermining the economy.

Instead of moving toward greater transparency, the emirates seem to be moving in the other direction. A new draft media law would make it a crime to damage the country’s reputation or economy, punishable by fines of up to 1 million dirhams (about $272,000). Some say it is already having a chilling effect on reporting about the crisis.


Last month, local newspapers reported that Dubai was canceling 1,500 work visas every day, citing unnamed government officials. Asked about the number, Humaid bin Dimas, a spokesman for Dubai’s Labor Ministry, said he would not confirm or deny it and refused to comment further. Some say the true figure is much higher.

“At the moment there is a readiness to believe the worst,” said Simon Williams, HSBC bank’s chief economist in Dubai. “And the limits on data make it difficult to counter the rumors.”

Some things are clear: real estate prices, which rose dramatically during Dubai’s six-year boom, have dropped 30 percent or more over the past two or three months in some parts of the city. Last week, Moody’s Investor’s Service announced that it might downgrade its ratings on six of Dubai’s most prominent state-owned companies, citing a deterioration in the economic outlook. So many used luxury cars are for sale , they are sometimes sold for 40 percent less than the asking price two months ago, car dealers say. Dubai’s roads, usually thick with traffic at this time of year, are now mostly clear.

Some analysts say the crisis is likely to have long-lasting effects on the seven-member emirates federation, where Dubai has long played rebellious younger brother to oil-rich and more conservative Abu Dhabi. Dubai officials, swallowing their pride, have made clear that they would be open to a bailout, but so far Abu Dhabi has offered assistance only to its own banks.


“Why is Abu Dhabi allowing its neighbor to have its international reputation trashed, when it could bail out Dubai’s banks and restore confidence?” said Christopher M. Davidson, who predicted the current crisis in “Dubai: The Vulnerability of Success,” a book published last year. “Perhaps the plan is to centralize the U.A.E.” under Abu Dhabi’s control, he mused, in a move that would sharply curtail Dubai’s independence and perhaps change its signature freewheeling style.

For many foreigners, Dubai had seemed at first to be a refuge, relatively insulated from the panic that began hitting the rest of the world last autumn. The Persian Gulf is cushioned by vast oil and gas wealth, and some who lost jobs in New York and London began applying here.

But Dubai, unlike Abu Dhabi or nearby Qatar and Saudi Arabia, does not have its own oil, and had built its reputation on real estate, finance and tourism. Now, many expatriates here talk about Dubai as though it were a con game all along. Lurid rumors spread quickly: the Palm Jumeira, an artificial island that is one of this city’s trademark developments, is said to be sinking, and when you turn the faucets in the hotels built atop it, only cockroaches come out.


“Is it going to get better? They tell you that, but I don’t know what to believe anymore,” said Sofia, who still hopes to find a job before her time runs out. “People are really panicking quickly.”

Hamza Thiab, a 27-year-old Iraqi who moved here from Baghdad in 2005, lost his job with an engineering firm six weeks ago. He has until the end of February to find a job, or he must leave. “I’ve been looking for a new job for three months, and I’ve only had two interviews,” he said. “Before, you used to open up the papers here and see dozens of jobs. The minimum for a civil engineer with four years’ experience used to be 15,000 dirhams a month. Now, the maximum you’ll get is 8,000,” or about $2,000.

Mr. Thiab was sitting in a Costa Coffee Shop in the Ibn Battuta mall, where most of the customers seemed to be single men sitting alone, dolefully drinking coffee at midday. If he fails to find a job, he will have to go to Jordan, where he has family members — Iraq is still too dangerous, he says — though the situation is no better there. Before that, he will have to borrow money from his father to pay off the more than $12,000 he still owes on a bank loan for his Honda Civic. Iraqi friends bought fancier cars and are now, with no job, struggling to sell them.

“Before, so many of us were living a good life here,” Mr. Thiab said. “Now we cannot pay our loans. We are all just sleeping, smoking, drinking coffee and having headaches because of the situation.”

A New York Times employee in Dubai contributed reporting.
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 12:46:56 PM »
I know there are some gaffots that take great glee in this news, but I don't.

Debtors prisons are insane though. You need to have some sort of safety net in a capitalistic society.


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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 12:56:50 PM »
I know there are some gaffots that take great glee in this news, but I don't.

Debtors prisons are insane though. You need to have some sort of safety net in a capitalistic socialist society.


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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 12:57:44 PM »
Wasn't Dubai's economy propped up by building ridiculously ambitious and wacky architecture?  That doesn't seem like a solid economic model to me - I'm not quite sure why they put all their eggs into that one basket.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 01:08:10 PM »
Wasn't Dubai's economy propped up by building ridiculously ambitious and wacky architecture?  That doesn't seem like a solid economic model to me - I'm not quite sure why they put all their eggs into that one basket.

the underpinnings of dubai's economy were always rich bankers and financiers, who then essentially created a tourism business out of their rolling displays of wretched excess.

now that 2g2d has annihilated virtually every financial institution on the planet, the funding for the tourist expansion has dried up.
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 01:14:54 PM »
Wonder what's gonna happen to the Burj Dubai... will it be finished or remain in a half-finished state like the hotel in P'yong'yang.
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »
This is kind of sad, because all the crazy projects that Dubai built/is building were really amazing. On the other hand, all the tales of extremely low wages and awful treatment of workers kind of puts a damper on my sympathy.
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 02:55:21 PM »
i think you guys may be missing the biggest parts of the story

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Instead of moving toward greater transparency, the emirates seem to be moving in the other direction. A new draft media law would make it a crime to damage the country’s reputation or economy, punishable by fines of up to 1 million dirhams (about $272,000). Some say it is already having a chilling effect on reporting about the crisis.

which led to

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A New York Times employee in Dubai contributed reporting.

They didn't even name the person who aided in the reporting probably for fear of violating the above.

and if the few bad news pieces we read about labor practices crept out while dubai was "free" imagine how horrible things will be for them now since we won't be able to hear about it.
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 04:11:10 PM »
i guess dubai didn't learn from the tower of babel, so god had to stop this tower in a new way
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 04:14:50 PM »
i guess dubai didn't learn from the tower of babel, so god had to stop this tower in a new way



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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 08:28:34 PM »
Dubai has the finest architecture that nobody is going to actually use
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 08:31:54 PM »
I want them to keep it like it is.  Then thousands of years later when it is under water, people will think aliens went there
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 08:50:25 PM »
Sell your stocks Jinfash, it's all over!
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 08:57:12 PM »
UAE has quite a bit of natural gas
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 09:01:55 PM »
Dubai just never seemed sustainable at its pace of growth, especially if you have any rudimentary knowledge of basic economics and history. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 09:23:51 PM »
They aren't going to be building shit.  The country is about to become the world's most hi-tech ghost shanty town.

and really, who didn't see that coming?
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 11:24:56 PM »
This news does not depress me.
Your avatar does not depress me.  :hump :smug
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Re: 2 Great 2 Depressing: Dubai Drift
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 12:47:36 AM »
Dubai has the finest architecture that nobody is going to actually use

And by finest, you mean tackiest.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 01:08:55 AM »
Well, I was bending the definition of "architecture" to include all the gaudy man-made islands they created.
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 03:17:29 AM »
Looks pretty tacky to me.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 04:42:39 AM »
Assuming it hasn't been bulldozed to make way for low-rent, shabby apartments and maximum security debtor's prisons.
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 07:11:18 AM »
Maybe tacky now, in 100 years tourists will flock to see this marvel of the oil age.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 09:42:06 AM »
Didn't I read some absurd statistic like over 50% of the worlds' building cranes are in Dubai?


Wonder how long it's taking to get those cranes elsewhere, I would imagine they don't move quickly, and wouldn't leave if they thought construction was coming back soon.  I bet most of them are gone already, leaving just the half-finished buildings bare on top with no hope.  It must be really depressing there right now, especially with the spectre of debtor's prison hanging over people who lost their jobs.


Of course that would make addrader happy, perhaps he should move there so dirty poors can chip magnesium out of rocks to pay their debts.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 09:47:28 AM »
march 2008:In Dubai, it is often reported that the city has 25 to 30 percent of the world’s cranes.

dec 2007: Fifty percent of the world's cranes are now in action in Dubai;

feb 2008: It is said that more than 25% of all the world´s construction cranes are currently in Dubai

i don't know if there are good real numbers or if it's all bullshit and marketing

http://www.google.com/search?q=dubai+world+crane+percentage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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