Author Topic: Does Dollhouse get better after the first 5 minutes? (Read 6972 times)

etiolate · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 07:57:10 AM »

Or does Eliza Dushku simply suck this much as an actress?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:59:36 AM »

I didn't hate the 1st episode, but i reckon it was a pretty poor start for the season. Next episodes better be better.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:36:13 AM »

Well, it's a Whedon show so I'm sure there's countless excuses as to why it sucks.

etiolate · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:46:33 AM »

I am already getting this sense that the basic plot form revolves around women being manufactured with limits and seeing if they can get around their imaginary identity to be more than what they were programmed to be.

But I can't tell because Hulu stopped buffering.

Tauntaun · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:48:51 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on February 17, 2009, 08:46:33 AM

I am already getting this sense that the basic plot form revolves around women being manufactured with limits and seeing if they can get around their imaginary identity to be more than what they were programmed to be.

But I can't tell because Hulu stopped buffering.

Maybe if you were as awesome at internet as I am that wouldn't happen.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:54:14 AM »

Doucheku cant act they needed a stronger female lead that could act for this show. But i'll continue to watch it, the story is promising but its gonna get canned me thinks.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:06:13 PM »

Obviously Whedon didn't fucking learn his lesson with Firefly. They fucking DEBUTED this show in the same fucking time slot as Firefly, and it will do just as well. They don't call it the "Friday night death slot" for nothing. Friday is a night where people go out with their friends to have a drink or catch a movie.

jiji · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:37:33 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on February 17, 2009, 08:46:33 AM

I am already getting this sense that the basic plot form revolves around women being manufactured with limits and seeing if they can get around their imaginary identity to be more than what they were programmed to be.

Blade Runner? (or actually, more of Do Androids Dream...)

clothedmacuser · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:33:11 PM »

I heard Whedon give the brief outline and it sounded way too stupid for me to accept.

Why can't Dushku not be in shows with the stupidest plots imaginable? She was some sort of ghost investigator in her last outing.

Bebpo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:12:47 PM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 17, 2009, 12:06:13 PM

Obviously Whedon didn't fucking learn his lesson with Firefly. They fucking DEBUTED this show in the same fucking time slot as Firefly, and it will do just as well. They don't call it the "Friday night death slot" for nothing. Friday is a night where people go out with their friends to have a drink or catch a movie.

I'm pretty sure he didn't choose the timeslots, Fox did. Fox is just screwing him over once again.

Eric P · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:13:28 PM »

i'm kind of surprised they keep doing business with one another

etiolate · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:17:07 PM »

X-Files spent its early years on a Friday timeslot. It's perfect for the geek market. The question is more about Fox having patience.

Watched the rest of the pilot. Interesting premise, but it had some bad lines and just lacked some of the qualities that keep Whedon shows out of the syndicated saturday afternoon sci-fi realm.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:18:38 PM »

does the first 5 minutes have the part with Eliza in the shoooooooooort dress?

if so, then no.
it doesn't get better

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:46:53 PM »

I didn't realize this was the new Whedon series. Since GG was talking about it, I just assumed it was some gay cabaret.

Solo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2009, 05:00:37 PM »

I couldnt tell you. I could only stomach about 3 minutes. Another shitty Joss Whedon show.

Reb · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2009, 05:01:59 PM »

I hated that firefly show, or was that the movie?

Terrible anyway.

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:17:46 PM »

It's better than Angel and Firefly, atleast.

patrickula · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:16:02 PM »

Seemed pretty awful to me... but I'm no Whedon fan

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:44:30 PM »

Joss Whedon is shit. The sooner people understand that, the better.

The martyr complex Whedonites have is hilarious. Joss against the world!

1 part Sci-Fi
1 part Pop Culture
1 part full distinguished mentally-challenged

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:21:06 PM »

Quote

1 part Sci-Fi
1 part Pop Culture
1 part full distinguished mentally-challenged

uh, not really, no

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:22:59 PM »

things I didn't know until I started posting on forums:

-people hated on Star Wars
-people don't like Jurassic Park
-people think Buffy was a good show

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:33:45 PM »

Truth -The only Star Wars movie I've seen in its entirety is The Phantom Menace

Truth - Buffy was fucking amazing

etiolate · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:34:59 PM »

I'd say its

Angel > Firefly > Buffy> This Dollhouse pilot

If we break it into chunks

Meat of Angel > Early Buffy > Firefly > very start of Angel > Dollhouse pilot > middle years of buffy > last years of buffy

I'm not a Whedon fanboy, in that I follow any Whedon net sites or the subculture of Buffy or the fanfic travesties, but I have certainly enjoyed some of his shows. My worry is that he thinks he's a feminist, but has horrible female leads or major female characters, and then does things with his female characters that make them completely pathetic and compromised. Angel was probably stronger because he had to deal with a male lead, and Firefly stronger for the same reason. Also, even though Firefly revolved around a buffy jr character, she was more a narrative device than a strong character that overtook episodes. Whedon makes interesting nerdy hot chicks that provide good subplots. Once he goes with focusing on the female psych, shit falls apart and you hate his shows.

Dollhouse and Eliza Dushku as its main focus seems doomed for those reasons.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2009, 01:31:49 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 17, 2009, 04:12:47 PM

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 17, 2009, 12:06:13 PM
Obviously Whedon didn't fucking learn his lesson with Firefly. They fucking DEBUTED this show in the same fucking time slot as Firefly, and it will do just as well. They don't call it the "Friday night death slot" for nothing. Friday is a night where people go out with their friends to have a drink or catch a movie.

I'm pretty sure he didn't choose the timeslots, Fox did. Fox is just screwing him over once again.

Actually, what I meant is that he is stupid for settling on having a show on Fox AGAIN to begin with.

My only Whedon experience has been Firefly, which fucking deserved more than just one season and a shitty movie.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2009, 01:33:04 PM »

shitty movie? wtf?

Cheebs · « **Reply #25 on:** February 18, 2009, 01:34:54 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2009, 09:22:59 PM

things I didn't know until I started posting on forums:

-people hated on Star Wars
-people don't like Jurassic Park
-people think Buffy was a good show

Hahah holy shit EXACT same for me. I wouldn't even know about the hate about greedo shooting first or whatever without the lovely internet. I still don't notice the difference.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #26 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:00:25 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 01:34:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2009, 09:22:59 PM
things I didn't know until I started posting on forums:

-people hated on Star Wars
-people don't like Jurassic Park
-people think Buffy was a good show

Hahah holy shit EXACT same for me. I wouldn't even know about the hate about greedo shooting first or whatever without the lovely internet. I still don't notice the difference.

Me too. Except for prequel hate. It's sorta hard to escape prequel hate.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »

buffy > star wars

Eric P · « **Reply #28 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:31:11 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on February 18, 2009, 02:27:09 PM

buffy > star wars

fugitive alien > star wars

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:37:16 PM »

To be fair, M.A.N.T.I.S. was better than Star Wars. And VR-5.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #30 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:39:59 PM »

getting your junk gnawed off by a chimp off its meds > star wars

Eric P · « **Reply #31 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:42:36 PM »

being talked into naming your child Toshiro Lucas SURNAME by your film blogger baby daddy > starwars.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #32 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:45:27 PM »

willco == star wars

Eric P · « **Reply #33 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:46:25 PM »

star wars > monty python

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #34 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:49:04 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 18, 2009, 02:47:17 PM

buffy is garbage

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Bloodwake · « **Reply #35 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:49:35 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on February 18, 2009, 01:33:04 PM

shitty movie? wtf?

As a movie it works well, but individual episodes of the series were much better for one, and a lot of the characters deserved better sendoffs than that. I'm also slightly bitter because it destroyed my hopes of a possible revival.

I'm long overdue for a rewatch, however.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #36 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM »

Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #37 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM

Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #38 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM »

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

Power rangers fought monsters.

Just like Buffy.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #39 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:24:14 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

Power rangers fought monsters.

Just like Buffy.

OMG they're the same then!

I guess the Power Rangers = Frankenstein = King Kong = Night of the Living Dead = Predator = do I have to keep going on?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #40 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:26:08 PM »

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:24:14 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

Power rangers fought monsters.

Just like Buffy.

OMG they're the same then!

I guess the Power Rangers = Frankenstein = King Kong = Night of the Living Dead = do I have to keep going on?

Except we are talking about powered up chosen one characters, that use martial arts to kick the crap out of cheesy monsters.

Stay classy'

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #41 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:27:50 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

Power rangers fought monsters.

Just like Buffy.

OMG they're the same then!

I guess the Power Rangers = Frankenstein = King Kong = Night of the Living Dead = do I have to keep going on?

Except we are talking about powered up chosen one characters, that use martial arts to kick the crap out of cheesy monsters.

Stay classy'

So Buffy is exactly like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #42 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:29:35 PM »

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:27:50 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 18, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
Buffy is Power Rangers without costumes.

So Buffy and the Scooby Gang fought giant mechs instead of vampires?

Power rangers fought monsters.

Just like Buffy.

OMG they're the same then!

I guess the Power Rangers = Frankenstein = King Kong = Night of the Living Dead = do I have to keep going on?

Except we are talking about powered up chosen one characters, that use martial arts to kick the crap out of cheesy monsters.

Stay classy'

So Buffy is exactly like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Except TMNT was about monsters vs monsters/ninjas.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #43 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:31:33 PM »

you keep making tiny distinctions, yet you can't see the differences in theme, character, plot structure, setting, musical score, and content between Buffy and the Power Rangers.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #44 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:32:43 PM »

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #45 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:37:18 PM »

I don't know how anyone can confuse a horror action dramedy about vampires and the occult with an anime inspired show featuring mechs and shit aimed at seven-year-old children.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #46 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:43:17 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 18, 2009, 03:40:05 PM

Buffy is actually not all that bad if try not to take it seriously, and ignore it when it takes itself too seriously.

I actually agree: Buffy was at its best when it was funny and used the-monster-of-the-week to explore overdone teenage themes.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #47 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:44:27 PM »

Buffy was never good. Why do you hurt yourself so much, Malek?

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #48 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 18, 2009, 03:44:27 PM

Buffy was never good. Why do you hurt yourself so much, Malek?

It's no Transformers. Or is it? There are giant mechanical robots in Transformers. So it's just like the Power Rangers, which is exactly like Buffy.

(using wricka's logic)

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #49 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:55:50 PM »

Transformers never tried to be anything but dumb.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #50 on:** February 18, 2009, 04:17:14 PM »

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:46:50 PM

Quote from: Willco on February 18, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Buffy was never good. Why do you hurt yourself so much, Malek?

It's no Transformers. Or is it? There are giant mechanical robots in Transformers. So it's just like the Power Rangers, which is exactly like Buffy.

(using wricka's logic)

Transformers doesn't have powered up human beings.

Learn to use my logic, or get out.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #51 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:13:54 PM »

what's with this awarding points for not trying, anyway? if I spend my entire life without ever getting up to do anything but eat Doritos and read message boards, do I still get a thumbs up on the grounds that, hey, at least I didn't try?

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #52 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:16:28 PM »

You might not quite understand, or believe it. But you've just changed my life recursive.

Not even joking. Damn. I'm gonna get that girl come friday, i don't give a fuck. That's right, cya

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #53 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:28:44 PM »

Power Rangers* > Buffy

* - Original series

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #54 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:35:57 PM »

Quote from: Malek on February 18, 2009, 03:37:18 PM

I don't know how anyone can confuse a horror action dramedy about vampires and the occult with an anime inspired show featuring mechs and shit aimed at seven-year-old children.

Buffy's aimed at 11 year olds, way different.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #55 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:49:41 PM »

In this thread, evilbore members say stupid shit to anger malek.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #56 on:** February 20, 2009, 11:53:49 PM »

"I had four brothers and none of them were Democrats."

The second episode was better than the first one. It was still disposable entertainment, but maybe it'll be better than Fringe, and I needed something to watch before BSG came on. Plus it has Helo in it.

bachikarn · « **Reply #57 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:21:20 AM »

Yeah, the second episode was a lot better, but still not great. I'll give it a couple of more episodes. You normally have to wait a couple of episodes for a serialized drama to see if it will be good or not.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #58 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:31:51 PM »

Holy crap, the 2nd episode was just as bad as the 1st one.

This is cheesy as hell, and the whole episode felt like some Ranger Texas episode. I can see Buffy lovers liking this show, since that show was cheesy as hell also, but this is far from having the quality of other shows going right now.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #59 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:36:54 PM »

So Buffy is like Walker Texas Ranger now?

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Author Topic: Does Dollhouse get better after the first 5 minutes? (Read 6972 times)