My Fellow Cowards...

[Ganhyun]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/18/holder.race.relations/index.html

Well my fellow cowards, shall we discuss as he asks? Although it is not a complete discussion since we are only supposed to discuss White and Black peoples' racism issues, instead of racism of all races.

My opinions:

Date/marry who you want.
Hire best worker for the job.
Stop having double standards for racial slurs.

[Eric P]

and please stop accusing me of being a slave owner.

my grandparents came here in the early 1900s from england.

the only slaves they owned were the irish

[Ganhyun]

and please stop accusing me of being a slave owner.

my grandparents came here in the early 1900s from england.

the only slaves they owned were the irish

I'm of Irish descent. You owe me sir!! 

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Not really. 

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[Eric P]

more like own you, sir

you're cheaper than donkeys, and twice as smelly.

[Ganhyun]

 

[Human Snorenado]

That's ok, my ancestor on my mom's side came here from Ireland after he killed the local British landlord. 

On the other hand, my dad's ancestors came over from the Netherlands after the tulip blight or whatever it was called.  Not nearly as cool.

[Ganhyun]

That's ok, my ancestor on my mom's side came here from Ireland after he killed the local British landlord. 

Heh. Limey Bastard got his. 

[Human Snorenado]

That's ok, my ancestor on my mom's side came here from Ireland after he killed the local British landlord. 

Heh. Limey Bastard got his. 

Kill the landlord!

[Ganhyun]

Whats's the Irish football team doing on the pitch?

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Looking for potatoes

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Kill the Polack!

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Not really. Kosma is cool.

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[Human Snorenado]

Whats's the Irish football team doing on the pitch?

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Looking for potatoes

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Pfft.  Everyone knows the proper answer to that is DRINKING.

[Cheebs]

My mom's side of the family came here from Ireland too.

[Eric P]

That's ok, my ancestor on my mom's side came here from Ireland after he killed the local British landlord. 

On the other hand, my dad's ancestors came over from the Netherlands after the tulip blight or whatever it was called.  Not nearly as cool.

"the price of tulips can only keep going up!"

[Phoenix Dark]

Meh, your ancestors still benefited from the racist institutions of the US regardless of whether they were slave owners. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned

Holder is right. White people throw a fit at the slightest insinuation that they've benefited from slavery or Jim Crow or any other action. But it's not like they're the only people to blame for our lack of dialogue. Many black people play the victim card far too damn much.

[Cheebs]

Meh, your ancestors still benefited from the racist institutions of the US regardless of whether they were slave owners. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned

Eh, irish people were treated like shit when my ancestors came over here. My dad's side can't make that kind of claim though, they came from France lol. They've been in America for like forever, been here in Michigan since it was still a France province.  No slaves for them!

[duckman2000]

Oh look, farming in filthy Continental Europe.

Continental Europe

[Human Snorenado]

For real Netherlands > Ireland.

I grew up in the Netherlands in the area where all the tulips grow.

http://greenportduinenbollenstreek.nl/userfiles/Landschap/keukenhof_molen_pict4470kl.JPG

Pffft.  Ireland > all.  Nicest people in the world, too.

[Eric P]

Meh, your ancestors still benefited from the racist institutions of the US regardless of whether they were slave owners. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned

Holder is right. White people throw a fit at the slightest insinuation that they've benefited from slavery or Jim Crow or any other action. But it's not like they're the only people to blame for our lack of dialogue. Many black people play the victim card far too damn much.

i know and realize this 100%. 

The issue is that i think if we admit that we benefited from slavery, that makes us open to attack as though we were complicit and approving of the enslavement of africans and indians.

[Phoenix Dark]

Meh, your ancestors still benefited from the racist institutions of the US regardless of whether they were slave owners. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned

Holder is right. White people throw a fit at the slightest insinuation that they've benefited from slavery or Jim Crow or any other action. But it's not like they're the only people to blame for our lack of dialogue. Many black people play the victim card far too damn much.

i know and realize this 100%. 

The issue is that i think if we admit that we benefited from slavery, that makes us open to attack as though we were complicit and approving of the enslavement of africans and indians.

It's certainly an unfair assertion. It isn't far or logical; just as there's not a single former slave alive today, there's not a single slave owner or slavery enabler alive today.

I don't think that's the main reason people refuse to admit they benefited from slavery though. There's still a lot of denial about the power of institutional racism today, and how it still effects our society. The playing field wasn't far for a very, very long time. Just 50 years ago blacks were legally second class citizens through much of the country, and that type of treatment had a domino effect on everything - from education to housing to jobs etc.

[Eric P]

Meh, your ancestors still benefited from the racist institutions of the US regardless of whether they were slave owners. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned

Holder is right. White people throw a fit at the slightest insinuation that they've benefited from slavery or Jim Crow or any other action. But it's not like they're the only people to blame for our lack of dialogue. Many black people play the victim card far too damn much.

i know and realize this 100%. 

The issue is that i think if we admit that we benefited from slavery, that makes us open to attack as though we were complicit and approving of the enslavement of africans and indians.

It's certainly an unfair assertion. It isn't far or logical; just as there's not a single former slave alive today, there's not a single slave owner or slavery enabler alive today.

I don't think that's the main reason people refuse to admit they benefited from slavery though. There's still a lot of denial about the power of institutional racism today, and how it still effects our society. The playing field wasn't far for a very, very long time. Just 50 years ago blacks were legally second class citizens through much of the country, and that type of treatment had a domino effect on everything - from education to housing to jobs etc.

people aren't rational

this is why Sharpton grandstands over a monkey cartoon and then seemingly does nothing to address real racial issues

[Phoenix Dark]

Where is Sharpton, or Jackson for that matter, on AIDS in the black community. Or black on black violence. Or fixing inner city schools. Instead they focus on rap music, burying the N word, and satire cartoons. They're nothing more than enablers for the victim mentality.

[Barry Egan]

Oh look, farming in filthy Continental Europe.

Continental Europe

Leper this taco

[Eric P]

Where is Sharpton, or Jackson for that matter, on AIDS in the black community. Or black on black violence. Or fixing inner city schools. Instead they focus on rap music, burying the N word, and satire cartoons. They're nothing more than enablers for the victim mentality.

which is why a lot of people are dismissive of them.

in fact when they became associated with the jenna 6 a lot of people automatically took the white's side simply because of past associations with the two.

[Mr. Gundam]

Where is Sharpton, or Jackson for that matter, on AIDS in the black community. Or black on black violence. Or fixing inner city schools. Instead they focus on rap music, burying the N word, and satire cartoons. They're nothing more than enablers for the victim mentality.

They figure that Bill Cosby has that job already covered.

[Tauntaun]

My family were straight up, old school, southern, slave owners.

Cohen keepin it real!

[Phoenix Dark]

The only thing I know about my ancestors is that I have lots of Native American blood; my great great grand dad was Indian, don't remember what tribe. My grandma has blue eyes and straight hair, and my hair isn't nappy (isn't straight either)

[Tauntaun]

The only thing I know about my ancestors is that I have lots of Native American blood; my great great grand dad was Indian, don't remember what tribe. My grandma has blue eyes and straight hair, and my hair isn't nappy (isn't straight either)

It's strappy!  HAWHAWHAWHAW

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  I want to go home plz.

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[drozmight]

gotta do away with institutional racism somehow.

MLK would fist bump this guy.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/21/chimp.cartoon/index.html

This is why we can't have an open dialogue about race.

[Madrun Badrun]

WTF that cartoon wasn't racist at all. 

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/21/chimp.cartoon/index.html

This is why we can't have an open dialogue about race.

If you live in a big city you probably have a NAACP charter somewhere. Go to one of their meetings, I dare you 

[AdmiralViscen]

My family were straight up, old school, southern, slave owners.

Cohen keepin it real!

[Cheebs]

Didnt the NY Post issue an apology?

[Dickie Dee]

100% certifiable non-Negro holding Scottish beef since back to the boats. 

On the other hand, my dad's ancestors came over from the Netherlands after the tulip blight or whatever it was called.  Not nearly as cool.

Actually, there was no "blight", just one of the first spectacular failures of the unimpeded free market. Luckily though the human race has evolved so much in the last 375 years!!

[etiolate]

if Obama being president means we can no longer at monkeys, then we are all surely doomed

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'm mostly Irish but 1/8 Native.

The biggest problem is the lack of communication between black people and white people.  Where I live, it is possible for you to never really meet a black person in your life, except for what you see in the media.  What do you see?  Rap music, Al Sharpton freaking out over cartoons, and general media portrayals of black people, which are often negatively stereotypical.

I agree that some real dialogue needs to take place.  Keep the idiots like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other victimizers (of all races, not just limited to black people) out of it BTW.  They built their whole lives on victimization and will do little to change it because if real change were to occur, then where would they be?

[Ganhyun]

Here is a follow-up commentary article I found on CNN responding to the Holder speech.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/wall.holder/index.html

Thought I'd share it with you guys.

[Eric P]

what do you mean "you guys"?

[Tauntaun]

if Obama being president means we can no longer at monkeys, then we are all surely doomed

wat? 

[Ganhyun]

what do you mean "you guys"?

What do "you" mean, "you guys"?

lol.