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The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
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Once in a blue moon, Hollywood releases a conservative movie, or at least a film that resonates with conservatives in a particular way. Because conservatives love movies — and especially debates about movies — we decided to produce a list of the 25 best conservative movies of the last 25 years. Our approach in selecting them doesn’t rise to the level of an actual methodology, but there was a method to it. We asked readers of National Review Online to submit nominations. Hundreds of suggestions came in, along with explanations and arguments. We considered each one, tallied them up, and consulted a number of film buffs and professional movie-makers.

We do not claim that the writers, directors, producers, gaffers, and key grips involved with these films are conservative. We certainly make no such assertion about the actors. Yet the results are indisputable: Conservatives enjoy these films because they are great movies that offer compelling messages about freedom, families, patriotism, traditions, and more.

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The Lives of Others
The Incredibles
Metropolitan
Forrest Gump
300
Groundhog Day
The Pursuit of Happyness
Juno
Blast from the Past
Ghostbusters
The Lord of the Rings
The Dark Knight
Braveheart
A Simple Plan
Red Dawn
 Master and Commander
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe
The Edge
We Were Soldiers
Gattaca
Heartbreak Ridge
Brazil
United 93
Team America: World Police
Grand Torino

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25 more great conservative movies

Air Force One, Amazing Grace, An American Carol, Barcelona, Bella, Cinderella Man, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, Hamburger Hill, The Hanoi Hilton, The Hunt for Red October, The Island, Knocked Up, The Last Days of Disco, The Lost City, Miracle, The Patriot, Rocky Balboa, Serenity, Stand and Deliver, Tears of the Sun, Thank You for Smoking, Three Kings, Tin Men, The Truman Show, Witness
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1. The Lives of Others (2007): “I think that this is the best movie I ever saw,” said William F. Buckley Jr. upon leaving the theater (according to his column on the film). The tale, set in East Germany in 1984, is one part romantic drama, one part political thriller. It chronicles life under a totalitarian regime as the Stasi secretly monitors the activities of a playwright who is suspected of harboring doubts about Communism. Critics showered the movie with praise and it won an Oscar for best foreign-language film (it’s in German). More Buckley: “The tension mounts to heart-stopping pitch and I felt the impulse to rush out into the street and drag passersby in to watch the story unfold.”

— John J. Miller


2. The Incredibles (2004): This animated film skips pop-culture references and gross jokes in favor of a story that celebrates marriage, courage, responsibility, and high achievement. A family of superheroes — Mr. Incredible, his wife Elastigirl, and their children — are living an anonymous life in the suburbs, thanks to a society that doesn’t appreciate their unique talents. Then it comes to need them. In one scene, son Dash, a super-speedy runner, wants to try out for track. Mom claims it wouldn’t be fair. “Dad says our powers make us special!” Dash objects. “Everyone is special,” Mom demurs, to which Dash mutters, “Which means nobody is.”

— Frederica Mathewes-Greene writes for Beliefnet.com.


3. Metropolitan (1990): Whit Stillman’s Oscar-nominated debut takes a red-headed outsider into the luxurious drawing rooms and debutante balls of New York’s Upper East Side elite. One character, a committed socialist, falls for the discreet charm of the urban haute bourgeoisie. Another plaintively theorizes the inevitable doom of his class. A reader of Jane Austen wonders what’s wrong with a novel’s having a virtuous heroine. And a roguish defender of standards and detachable collars delivers more sophisticated conservative one-liners than a year’s worth of Yale Party of the Right debates. With mocking affection, gentle irony, and a blizzard of witty dialogue, Stillman manages the impossible: He brings us to see what is admirable and necessary in the customs and conventions of America’s upper class.

— Mark Henrie is the editor of Doomed Bourgeois in Love: Essays on the Films of Whit Stillman.


4. Forrest Gump (1994): It won an Oscar for best picture — beating Pulp Fiction, a movie that’s far more expressive of Hollywood’s worldview. Tom Hanks plays the title character, an amiable dunce who is far too smart to embrace the lethal values of the 1960s. The love of his life, wonderfully played by Robin Wright Penn, chooses a different path; she becomes a drug-addled hippie, with disastrous results. Forrest’s IQ may be room temperature, but he serves as an unexpected font of wisdom. Put ’em on a Whitman’s Sampler, but Mama Gump’s famous words about life’s being like a box of chocolates ring true.

— Charlotte Hays is co-author of Somebody Is Going to Die If Lilly Beth Doesn’t Catch That Bouquet.


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5. 300 (2007): During the Bush years, Hollywood neglected the heroism of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan — but it did release this action film about martial honor, unflinching courage, and the oft-ignored truth that freedom isn’t free. Beneath a layer of egregious non-history — including goblin-like creatures that belong in a fantasy epic — is a stylized story about the ancient battle of Thermopylae and the Spartan defense of the West’s fledgling institutions. It contrasts a small band of Spartans, motivated by their convictions and a commitment to the law, with a Persian horde that is driven forward by whips. In the words recorded by the real-life Herodotus: “Law is their master, which they fear more than your men[, Xerxes,] fear you.”

— Michael Poliakoff, a classicist, is vice president for academic affairs at the University of Colorado.

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6. Groundhog Day (1993): This putatively wacky comedy about Bill Murray as an obnoxious weatherman cursed to relive the same day over and over in a small Pennsylvania town, perhaps for eternity, is in fact a sophisticated commentary on the good and true. Theologians and philosophers across the ideological spectrum have embraced it. For the conservative, the moral of the tale is that redemption and meaning are derived not from indulging your “authentic” instincts and drives, but from striving to live up to external and timeless ideals. Murray begins the film as an irony-soaked narcissist, contemptuous of beauty, art, and commitment. His journey of self-discovery leads him to understand that the fads of modernity are no substitute for the permanent things.

— Jonah Goldberg


7. The Pursuit of Happyness (2006): Based on the life of self-made millionaire Chris Gardner (Will Smith), this film provides the perfect antidote to Wall Street and other Hollywood diatribes depicting the world of finance as filled with nothing but greed. After his wife leaves him, Gardner can barely pay the rent. He accepts an unpaid internship at a San Francisco brokerage, with the promise of a real job if he outperforms the other interns and passes his exams. Gardner never succumbs to self-pity, even when he and his young son take refuge in a homeless shelter. They’re black, but there’s no racial undertone or subtext. Gardner is just an incredibly hard-working, ambitious, and smart man who wants to do better for himself and his son.

— Linda Chavez is chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity.


8. Juno (2007): The best pro-life movies reach beyond the church choirs and influence the wider public. Juno was a critical and commercial success. It didn’t set out to deliver a message on abortion, but much of its audience discovered one anyway. The story revolves around a 16-year-old who finds a home for her unplanned baby. The film has its faults, including a number of crass moments and a pregnant high-school student with an unrealistic level of self-confidence. Yet it also exposes a broken culture in which teen sex is dehumanizing, girls struggle with “choice,” and boys aimlessly try — and sometimes downright fail — to become men. The movie doesn’t glamorize much of anything but leaves audiences with an open-ended chance for redemption.

— Kathryn Jean Lopez


9. Blast from the Past (1999): Revolutionary Road is only the latest big-screen portrayal of 1950s America as boring, conformist, repressive, and soul-destroying. A decade ago, Hugh Wilson’s Blast from the Past defied the party line, seeing the values, customs, manners, and even music of the period with nostalgic longing. Brendan Fraser plays an innocent who has grown up in a fallout shelter and doesn’t know the era of Sputnik and Perry Como is over. Alicia Silverstone is a post-feminist woman who learns from him that pre-feminist women had some things going for them. Christopher Walken and Sissy Spacek as Fraser’s parents are comic gems.

— James Bowman is a movie critic.


10. Ghostbusters (1984): This comedy might not get Russell Kirk’s endorsement as a worthy treatment of the supernatural, but you have to like a movie in which the bad guy (William Atherton at his loathsome best) is a regulation-happy buffoon from the EPA, and the solution to a public menace comes from the private sector. This last fact is the other reason to love Ghostbusters: When Dr. Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) gets kicked out of the university lab and ponders pursuing entrepreneurial opportunities, a nervous Dr. Raymond Stantz (Dan Aykroyd) replies: “I don’t know about that. I’ve worked in the private sector. They expect results!”

— Steven F. Hayward is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

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11. The Lord of the Rings (2001, 2002, 2003): Author J. R. R. Tolkien was deeply conservative, so it’s no surprise that the trilogy of movies based on his masterwork is as well. Largely filmed before 9/11, they seemed perfectly pitched for the post-9/11 world. The debates over what to do about Sauron and Saruman echoed our own disputes over the Iraq War. (Think of Wormtongue as Keith Olbermann.) When Frodo sighs, “I wish none of this had happened,” Gandalf’s response speaks to us, too: “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”

— Andrew Leigh is a screenwriter and producer in Los Angeles.


12. The Dark Knight (2008): This film gives us a portrait of the hero as a man reviled. In his fight against the terrorist Joker, Batman has to devise new means of surveillance, push the limits of the law, and accept the hatred of the press and public. If that sounds reminiscent of a certain former president — whose stubborn integrity kept the nation safe and turned the tide of war — don’t mention it to the mainstream media. Our journalists know that good men are often despised by the mob; it just never seems to occur to them that they might be the mob themselves.

— Andrew Klavan is the author of Empire of Lies.


13. Braveheart (1995): Forget the travesty this soaring action film makes of the historical record. Braveheart raised its hero, medieval Scottish warrior William Wallace, to the level of myth and won five Oscars, including best director for Mel Gibson, who played Wallace as he led a spirited revolt against English tyranny. Braveheart taught that freedom is not just worth dying for, but also worth killing for, in defense of hearth and homeland. Six years later, amid the ruins of the Twin Towers, Gibson’s message resonated with a generation of American youth who signed up to fight terrorists, instead of inviting them to join a “constructive dialogue.” Liberals have never forgiven Gibson since.

— Arthur Herman is the author of How the Scots Invented the Modern World.


14. A Simple Plan (1998): A defining insight of conservatism is that whatever transcendent inspiration there may be to moral principles, there is also the humble fact that morality works. Moral institutions and customs endure because they allow civilization to proceed. Sam Raimi’s gripping A Simple Plan illustrates this truth. Bill Paxton plays a decent family man who lives by the book in every way. But when he’s cajoled into breaking the rules to get rich quick, he falls under the jurisdiction of the law of unintended consequences and discovers that simple morality is not simplistic, and that a seductively simple plan is a siren song if it runs against the grain of what is right.

— Jonah Goldberg


15. Red Dawn (1984): From the safe, familiar environment of a classroom, we watch countless parachutes drop from the sky and into the heart of America. Oh, no: invading Commies! Laugh if you want — many do — but Red Dawn has survived countless more acclaimed films because Father Time has always been our most reliable film critic. The essence of timelessness is more than beauty. It’s also truth, and the truth that America is a place and an idea worth fighting and dying for will not be denied, not under a pile of left-wing critiques or even Red Dawn’s own melodramatic flaws. Released at the midpoint of Reagan’s presidential showdown with the Soviet Union, this story of what was at stake in the Cold War endures.

— John Nolte blogs at BigHollywood.Breitbart.com.

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16. Master and Commander (2003): This naval-adventure film starring Russell Crowe is based on the books of Patrick O’Brian, and here’s what A. O. Scott of the New York Times said in his review: “The Napoleonic wars that followed the French Revolution gave birth, among other things, to British conservatism, and Master and Commander, making no concessions to modern, egalitarian sensibilities, is among the most thoroughly and proudly conservative movies ever made. It imagines the [H.M.S.] Surprise as a coherent society in which stability is underwritten by custom and every man knows his duty and his place. I would not have been surprised to see Edmund Burke’s name in the credits.”

— John J. Miller


17. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe (2005): The White Witch runs a godless, oppressive, paranoid regime that hates Santa Claus. She’s a cross between Burgermeister Meisterburger and Kim Jong Il. The good guys, meanwhile, recognize that some throats will need cutting: no appeasement, no land-for-peace swaps, no offering the witch a snowmobile if she’ll only put away the wand. Underlying the narrative is the story of Christ’s rescuing man from sin — which is antithetical to the leftist dream of perfected man’s becoming an instrument for earthly utopia. The results of such utopian visions, of course, are frequently like the Witch’s reign: always winter, and never Christmas.

— Tony Woodlief writes for World magazine and blogs at tonywoodlief.com.


18. The Edge (1997): Screenwriter David Mamet uses a wilderness survival story about friendship, betrayal, and forgiveness to present a few truths rarely seen in movies: Knowledge has its limits, fortitude is a weapon against hardship, and honor can motivate even the shallowest man to great sacrifice. Some have interpreted the film as a Cold War allegory because it features a menacing bear. The main characters (played by Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin) understand that there is neither wisdom nor nobility in waiting for others to save them, and that they must take responsibility for their own lives and souls. Life is unfair, but to challenge life on its own terms is an exhilarating reward, no matter the outcome.

— Michael Long is a director of the White House Writers Group.


19. We Were Soldiers (2002): Most movies about the Vietnam War reflect the derangements of the antiwar Left. This film, based on the memoir by Lt. Col. Hal Moore (played by Mel Gibson), offers a lifelike alternative. It focuses on a fight between an outnumbered U.S. Army battalion and three North Vietnamese regiments in the battle of Ia Drang in 1965. Significantly, it treats soldiers not as wretched losers or pathological killers, but as regular citizens. They are men willing to sacrifice everything to do their duty — to their country, to their unit, and to their fellow soldiers. As the movie makes clear, they also had families. Indeed, their last thoughts were usually about their loved ones back home.

— Mackubin Thomas Owens, a Vietnam veteran, is a professor at the Naval War College.


20. Gattaca (1997): In this science-fiction drama, Vincent (Ethan Hawke) can’t become an astronaut because he’s genetically unenhanced. So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results. The movie is a cautionary tale about the progressive fantasy of a eugenically correct world — the road to which is paved by the abortion of Down babies, research into human cloning, and “transhumanist” dreams of fabricating a “post-human species.” Biotechnology is a force for good, but without adherence to the ideal of universal human equality, it opens the door to the soft tyranny of Gattaca and, ultimately, the dystopian nightmare of Brave New World.

— Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.


21. Heartbreak Ridge (1986): Clint Eastwood’s foul-mouthed Marine sergeant Tom Highway makes quick work of kicking Communist Cubans out of Grenada. And, boy, does “Gunny” hate Commies. Not only does he kill quite a few, he also refuses a bribe of a Cuban cigar, saying: “Get that contraband stogie out of my face before I shove it so far up you’re a** you’ll have to set fire to your nose to light it.” A welcome glorification of Reagan’s decision to liberate Grenada in 1983, the film also notes how after a tie in Korea and a loss in Vietnam, America can finally celebrate a military victory. Eastwood, the old war horse, walks off into retirement pleased that he’s not “0–1–1 anymore.” Semper Fi. Oo-rah!

— James G. Lakely is managing editor of InfoTech & Telecom News at the Heartland Institute.


22. Brazil (1985): Vividly depicting the miserable results of elitist utopian schemes, Terry Gilliam’s Brazil portrays a darkly comic dystopia of malfunctioning high-tech equipment and the dreary living conditions common to all totalitarian regimes. Everything in the society is built to serve government plans rather than people. The film is visually arresting and inventive, with especially evocative use of shots that put the audience in a subservient position, just like the people in the film. Terrorist bombings, national-security scares, universal police surveillance, bureaucratic arrogance, a callous elite, perversion of science, and government use of torture evoke the worst aspects of the modern megastate.

— S. T. Karnick blogs at stkarnick.com.


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23. United 93 (2006): Minutes after terrorists struck on 9/11, Americans launched their first counterattack in the War on Terror. Director Paul Greengrass pays tribute to the passengers of United 93 by refusing to turn their story into a wimpy Hollywood melodrama. Instead, United 93 unfolds as a real-time docudrama. Just as significantly, Greengrass provides a clear depiction of our enemies. United 93 opens as four Muslim terrorists pray in a hotel room. Several hours later, the hijackers’ frenzied shrieks to Allah mingle with the prayerful supplications of United 93’s passengers as they crash through the cockpit door and strike a blow against those who would terrorize our country.

— Andrew Coffin is director of the Reagan Ranch and vice president of Young America’s Foundation.


24. Team America: World Police (2004): This marionette movie from South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone is hard to categorize as conservative. It’s amazingly vulgar and depicts Americans as wildly overzealous in fighting terror. Yet the film’s utter disgust with air-headed, left-wing celebrity activism remains unmatched in popular culture. As the heroes move to stop a WMD apocalypse, they clash with Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, and a host of others, whom they take out with gunfire, sword, and martial arts before saving the day. The movie, like South Park itself, reveals Parker and Stone as the two-headed George Grosz of American satire.

— Brian C. Anderson is editor of City Journal and author of South Park Conservatives.


25. Gran Torino (2008): Clint Eastwood directs and stars in the ultimate family movie unsuitable for the family. He plays Walt Kowalski, a caricature of an old-school, dying-breed, Polish-American racist male, replete with post-traumatic stress disorder from having served in the Korean War. Kowalski comes to realize that his exotic Hmong neighbors embody traditional social values more than his own disaster of a Caucasian nuclear family. Dirty Harry blows away political correctness, takes on the bad guys, and turns a boy into a man in the process. He even encourages the cultural assimilation of immigrants. It feels so good, you knew the Academy would ignore it.

— Andrew Breitbart is the proprietor of BigHollywood.Breitbart.com.
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 10:48:51 AM »
Like 90% of these movies were directed by liberals lol

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 10:51:04 AM »
I think they might want to watch Brazil again.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 10:58:18 AM »
Haha, the Red Dawn review is classic.

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4. Forrest Gump (1994): It won an Oscar for best picture — beating Pulp Fiction, a movie that’s far more expressive of Hollywood’s worldview. Tom Hanks plays the title character, an amiable dunce who is far too smart to embrace the lethal values of the 1960s. The love of his life, wonderfully played by Robin Wright Penn, chooses a different path; she becomes a drug-addled hippie, with disastrous results. Forrest’s IQ may be room temperature, but he serves as an unexpected font of wisdom. Put ’em on a Whitman’s Sampler, but Mama Gump’s famous words about life’s being like a box of chocolates ring true.

8. Juno (2007): The best pro-life movies reach beyond the church choirs and influence the wider public. Juno was a critical and commercial success. It didn’t set out to deliver a message on abortion, but much of its audience discovered one anyway. The story revolves around a 16-year-old who finds a home for her unplanned baby. The film has its faults, including a number of crass moments and a pregnant high-school student with an unrealistic level of self-confidence. Yet it also exposes a broken culture in which teen sex is dehumanizing, girls struggle with “choice,” and boys aimlessly try — and sometimes downright fail — to become men. The movie doesn’t glamorize much of anything but leaves audiences with an open-ended chance for redemption.

— Kathryn Jean Lopez

12. The Dark Knight (2008): This film gives us a portrait of the hero as a man reviled. In his fight against the terrorist Joker, Batman has to devise new means of surveillance, push the limits of the law, and accept the hatred of the press and public. If that sounds reminiscent of a certain former president — whose stubborn integrity kept the nation safe and turned the tide of war — don’t mention it to the mainstream media. Our journalists know that good men are often despised by the mob; it just never seems to occur to them that they might be the mob themselves.

— Andrew Klavan is the author of Empire of Lies.

20. Gattaca (1997): In this science-fiction drama, Vincent (Ethan Hawke) can’t become an astronaut because he’s genetically unenhanced. So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results. The movie is a cautionary tale about the progressive fantasy of a eugenically correct world — the road to which is paved by the abortion of Down babies, research into human cloning, and “transhumanist” dreams of fabricating a “post-human species.” Biotechnology is a force for good, but without adherence to the ideal of universal human equality, it opens the door to the soft tyranny of Gattaca and, ultimately, the dystopian nightmare of Brave New World.

— Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

Sure this isn't an Onion piece?
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 11:04:35 AM »
i know!

i couldn't stop giggling at some of these.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 11:07:46 AM »
i know!

i couldn't stop giggling at some of these.



Batman is awesome
Batman used unethical forms of surveillance
GWB used unethical forms of surveillance.
The movie is saying GWB is awesome. DON'T TELL THE LIBERAL MEDIA

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 11:25:31 AM »
This is by far the most stupid list I've ever seen. EVER.

I may email it to my dad just to make fun of his conservatism. FUCKING distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Think of Wormtongue as Keith Olbermann.

what the fuck?
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 11:30:53 AM »
Lots of these are REALLY stretching... Though I've loved some of the movies on here, I also hated Juno, which was my conservatard Jebus freak ex's favorite movie (she was the one that had me watch it with her).
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 11:31:03 AM »
I think they might want to watch Brazil again.
This, and I can't grasp at how Ghostbusters is conservative...
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 11:37:24 AM »
You know what's missing after the write-up for each of the movies?  :smug, that's what.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 11:40:35 AM »
You know what's missing after the write-up for each of the movies?  :smug, that's what.

I fucking agree. I read the title of the thread, which should be

:smug The National Review's Best Conservative Movies :smug
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Think of Wormtongue as Keith Olbermann.

what the fuck?
I am not a big Keith fan but it does not  did make any sense at all. Olbermann was a traitor to the nation who eventually did the right thing and killed off a bad guy?

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 11:45:56 AM »
i actually think the best conservative film is The Godfather.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 11:48:11 AM »
When does conservatism presented by the media EVER make sense?

Bill O'Reilly :smug
Sean Hannity :smug
Rush Limbaugh (Liberals are attacking me rather than the issues in the Obama Administration because I'm that awesome) :smug :smug :smug



God, someone hack this site and nuke that list right now. I'm disgusted.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2009, 11:59:05 AM »
Ghostbusters actually sort of works here.  The rest, um ...
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2009, 02:20:44 PM »
The incredibles = Atlas Shrugged

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2009, 02:27:29 PM »
Blast From the Past as an anti-feminist parable?  Really?  They couldn't find any other romantic comedy to put on that list?  The Edge isn't even the best David Mamet film (or even plausible as a up-by-your-bootstraps fable) to list here, Spartan would be much more appropriate.

and shit, why not include any of the legion of Tyler Perry "strength in the unity of family" films or similarly Christian themed stuff(oh right, they're black movies).  Movies that can actually be easily pegged as conservative.

why not The Fly as an anti-stem cell research parable, why not most slasher films (stay away from drugs and premarital sex), why not Eyes Wide Shut as a film in defense of marriage and fidelity (hah, but an argument can be made)?

there's lulz aplenty there.  Not only are the choices shoddy, but the logical contortions made for including them are really quite amazing.  Is that how top level conservative writers see the world?  Bending every minute scrap of evidence to fit their own worldview.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2009, 02:33:01 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

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1. The Lives of Others (2007): “I think that this is the best movie I ever saw,” said William F. Buckley Jr. upon leaving the theater (according to his column on the film). The tale, set in East Germany in 1984, is one part romantic drama, one part political thriller. It chronicles life under a totalitarian regime as the Stasi secretly monitors the activities of a playwright who is suspected of harboring doubts about Communism. Critics showered the movie with praise and it won an Oscar for best foreign-language film (it’s in German). More Buckley: “The tension mounts to heart-stopping pitch and I felt the impulse to rush out into the street and drag passersby in to watch the story unfold.”

— John J. Miller

One of my favorite films of the 00s, but it was about an East German surveillance specialist finding redemption thanks to a bunch of DIRTY LIBRUL THEATER PEOPLE.

Wait. I forgot. Anything anti-communism and pro-free thinking is clearly conservative.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2009, 05:20:17 PM »
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2009, 05:56:51 PM »
I'd been waiting for a compiled list with all the descriptions :omg

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2009, 10:24:41 PM »
So guys, what would be the best liberal movies?

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2009, 10:28:40 PM »
So guys, what would be the best liberal movies?

Cheech and Chong up in smoke?

Aren't Libertarians supposed to be all about legalizing drugs?  :smug
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2009, 10:44:16 PM »
Didn't they spend the whole second act of Master and Commander gathering proof of evolution?

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2009, 10:55:47 PM »
Surprised Passion of the Jebus ain't on this list either...
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2009, 10:56:32 PM »
most potheads i know are libertarian
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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2009, 10:58:32 PM »
Didn't they spend the whole second act of Master and Commander gathering proof of evolution?

Evolution is a problem for religious social conservatism in the US, but not conservatism in general.

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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2009, 10:58:41 PM »
most potheads i know are libertarian

I know a very, very confused pothead who has become a diehard Republican since he became a father.  Actually, the process started beforehand since he voted for Bush in 2004.  Then again, the guy IS from South Carolina.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2009, 12:37:25 AM »
Didn't they spend the whole second act of Master and Commander gathering proof of evolution?

Evolution is a problem for religious social conservatism in the US, but not conservatism in general.

Yes, and isn't this an American publication? It's not like We Were Soldiers really belongs on this list if we're not talking about American conservatism

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2009, 01:17:13 AM »


Evolution is a problem for religious social conservatism in the US, but not conservatism in general.

Yes, and isn't this an American publication? It's not like We Were Soldiers really belongs on this list if we're not talking about American conservatism [dur, I'm going to play dumb by ignoring two important modifiers and by pretending the sentence was specifically about the National Review]

You can't make a minor, inconsequential statement on the internet without someone purposely misrepresenting you. Fuck the internet.

My main point--not concerning the publication--is that evolution does not conflict with conservatism per se; that is, it doesn't conflict with any core conservative ideological beliefs. Evolution does, however, seem to conflict with religious, social conservatism in America, which is usually informed by Judeo-Christian religious beliefs, specially in this case the Creation Myth. Obviously, a literal belief in creationism conflicts with evolution, and the conservative mind will prefer the former to the latter.

As for the National Review it hasn't until recently seemed to have an anti-Darwinist bent. I think Buckley was trying to foster an upper-crust, North Eastern form of conservatism throughout the years. I guess (not having read the magazine in a decade) it has moved to the social right (one of the reviews, as I noted above, was from an author at the Discovery Institute).


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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2009, 01:41:48 AM »
As for the National Review it hasn't until recently seemed to have an anti-Darwinist bent. I think Buckley was trying to foster an upper-crust, North Eastern form of conservatism throughout the years. I guess (not having read the magazine in a decade) it has moved to the social right (one of the reviews, as I noted above, was from an author at the Discovery Institute).

A fun read, all aboard the "National Review Cruise"

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Ship of fools: Johann Hari sets sail with America's swashbuckling neocons

The Iraq war has been an amazing success, global warming is just a myth – and as for Guantanamo Bay, it's practically a holiday camp... The annual cruise organised by the 'National Review', mouthpiece of right-wing America, is a parallel universe populated by straight-talking, gun-toting, God-fearing Republicans.

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 Buckley is an urbane old reactionary, drunk on doubts. He founded the National Review in 1955 – when conservatism was viewed in polite society as a mental affliction – and he has always been sceptical of appeals to "the people," preferring the eternal top-down certainties of Catholicism. He united with Podhoretz in mutual hatred of Godless Communism, but, slouching into his eighties, he possesses a world view that is ill-suited for the fight to bring democracy to the Muslim world. He was a ghostly presence on the cruise at first, appearing only briefly to shake a few hands. But now he has emerged, and he is fighting.

"Aren't you embarrassed by the absence of these weapons?" Buckley snaps at Podhoretz. He has just explained that he supported the war reluctantly, because Dick Cheney convinced him Saddam Hussein had WMD primed to be fired. "No," Podhoretz replies. "As I say, they were shipped to Syria. During Gulf War I, the entire Iraqi air force was hidden in the deserts in Iran." He says he is "heartbroken" by this "rise of defeatism on the right." He adds, apropos of nothing, "There was nobody better than Don Rumsfeld. This defeatist talk only contributes to the impression we are losing, when I think we're winning." The audience cheers Podhoretz. The nuanced doubts of Bill Buckley leave them confused. Doesn't he sound like the liberal media? Later, over dinner, a tablemate from Denver calls Buckley "a coward". His wife nods and says, "Buckley's an old man," tapping her head with her finger to suggest dementia.

I decide to track down Buckley and Podhoretz separately and ask them for interviews. Buckley is sitting forlornly in his cabin, scribbling in a notebook. In 2005, at an event celebrating National Review's 50th birthday, President Bush described today's American conservatives as "Bill's children". I ask him if he feels like a parent whose kids grew up to be serial killers. He smiles slightly, and his blue eyes appear to twinkle. Then he sighs, "The answer is no. Because what animated the conservative core for 40 years was the Soviet menace, plus the rise of dogmatic socialism. That's pretty well gone."

This does not feel like an optimistic defence of his brood, but it's a theme he returns to repeatedly: the great battles of his life are already won. Still, he ruminates over what his old friend Ronald Reagan would have made of Iraq. "I think the prudent Reagan would have figured here, and the prudent Reagan would have shunned a commitment of the kind that we are now engaged in... I think he would have attempted to find some sort of assurance that any exposure by the United States would be exposure to a challenge the dimensions of which we could predict." Lest liberals be too eager to adopt the Gipper as one of their own, Buckley agrees approvingly that Reagan's approach would have been to "find a local strongman" to rule Iraq.

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2009, 03:18:24 AM »
18. The Edge (1997): Screenwriter David Mamet uses a wilderness survival story about friendship, betrayal, and forgiveness to present a few truths rarely seen in movies: Knowledge has its limits, fortitude is a weapon against hardship, and honor can motivate even the shallowest man to great sacrifice. Some have interpreted the film as a Cold War allegory because it features a menacing bear. The main characters (played by Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin) understand that there is neither wisdom nor nobility in waiting for others to save them, and that they must take responsibility for their own lives and souls. Life is unfair, but to challenge life on its own terms is an exhilarating reward, no matter the outcome.

— Michael Long is a director of the White House Writers Group.
I just watched this movie the other day and was really amused by how Alec Bawldwin is constantly condemning the wealthy and corporate types.  I suppose Anthony Hopkins was supposed to stand in for Donald Trump and show that sometimes the ruthless cut-throat is the one to turn to.   



11. The Lord of the Rings (2001, 2002, 2003): Author J. R. R. Tolkien was deeply conservative, so it’s no surprise that the trilogy of movies based on his masterwork is as well. Largely filmed before 9/11, they seemed perfectly pitched for the post-9/11 world. The debates over what to do about Sauron and Saruman echoed our own disputes over the Iraq War. (Think of Wormtongue as Keith Olbermann.) When Frodo sighs, “I wish none of this had happened,” Gandalf’s response speaks to us, too: “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”

— Andrew Leigh is a screenwriter and producer in Los Angeles.

Ah yes.  The movie was fiction and WMD's turned out to have been completely fictional.

13. Braveheart (1995): Forget the travesty this soaring action film makes of the historical record. Braveheart raised its hero, medieval Scottish warrior William Wallace, to the level of myth and won five Oscars, including best director for Mel Gibson, who played Wallace as he led a spirited revolt against English tyranny. Braveheart taught that freedom is not just worth dying for, but also worth killing for, in defense of hearth and homeland. Six years later, amid the ruins of the Twin Towers, Gibson’s message resonated with a generation of American youth who signed up to fight terrorists, instead of inviting them to join a “constructive dialogue.” Liberals have never forgiven Gibson since.

— Arthur Herman is the author of How the Scots Invented the Modern World.

I guess we are the oppressed Scottish rallying against the English Tyranny?  I new the National review was crazy but never this crazy.


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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2009, 07:59:27 AM »
So guys, what would be the best liberal movies?

Cheech and Chong up in smoke?



All the good ones.

i'll tell you what the WORST liberal movie is, fucking American Beauty, that's what.
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2009, 08:21:09 AM »
How does anybody over 12 think that Kowalski was a racist in Gran Torino?  Or that Ghostbusters had a fucking political message?

Team America being on this list is sad.  It's like the writer read a cliff notes of all these movies and then cut & pasted it and shat out this article.  Just smeared it on his keyboard.

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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2009, 08:26:52 AM »
and how is anti-govt. = conservative all of a sudden for this movies?

Weren't conservatives for the last 8 years going "SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT OR YOU AREN'T A REAL AMERICAN" and mocked anyone who said anything negative about the government? lol

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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2009, 09:23:50 AM »
and how is anti-govt. = conservative all of a sudden for this movies?

Weren't conservatives for the last 8 years going "SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT OR YOU AREN'T A REAL AMERICAN" and mocked anyone who said anything negative about the government? lol

The last 8 years wasn't real conservatism, hence the phrase neo-con. Traditionally conservatism stands for smaller government

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2009, 09:29:51 AM »
The incredibles = Atlas Shrugged

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ah yes, atlas shrugged, the story of how people with special talent... selflessly devoted themselves to the public good by performing acts of altruism
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2009, 09:34:39 AM »
The incredibles = Atlas Shrugged

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ah yes, atlas shrugged, the story of how people with special talent... devoted themselves to the public good by performing acts of individualism

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2009, 09:38:44 AM »
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To begin with the basics, the movie revolves around a hero -- a concept that Rand greatly lauded over the muddy protagonists of most modern work. Mr. Incredible is by no means flawless, but he is shown to be exceptional in a world of mediocrity, as are the movie's other superheroes. The movie begins with the superheroes in their classic, comic book-esque roles: battling evil to the adoration of the general public. But the heroes are eventually cast in a bind by endless lawsuits, at which point public opinion turns against them and they are forced into hiding behind anonymous everyday lives.

And so we find the Incredible family -- Mr. Incredible working as a pencil-pushing insurance claims adjudicator, Mrs. Incredible (aka Elastigirl) as a housewife, and their children Dash and Violet forced to ignore their powers and meld into an unnatural school life. Mr. Incredible is repeatedly chastised for trying to do his job well and help people at the expense of the bottom line, at one point getting a demeaning lecture from his boss about being a cog in a giant clock. Dash is denied the opportunity to play sports because his power of super-speed means that he might excel. When he fights with his mother, pointing out that he is special, she insists that "everyone is special." Dejectedly, he looks down and mumbles, "then no one is." Similarly, Mr. Incredible gets in a fight with his wife, trying to intercede on his son's behalf, and bemoans the fact that the school stages a fourth-grade "graduation." This, he insists, represents the constant modern-day effort to find new ways of rewarding mediocrity.

These are classic Randian themes -- while Rand did not emphasize any concept that certain people were born better than others, she did lash out repeatedly against a world that celebrated mediocrity over achievement, norms over exceptionalism. And the active hatred of success, the theme upon which Atlas Shrugged's plot was built, is the very quandary in which the movie's superheroes find themselves.

On its flip-side, the movie's villain is also a classic Objectivist foil. Voiced expertly by Jason Lee, Syndrome is everything that Rand deplored in her novels -- a conniving, manipulative man who seeks personal gain without honest work or achievement. Also of note is that Syndrome is without superpowers (used to parallel talent), and actively begrudges those who carry their powers. At the movie's conclusion, Syndrome lauds that which Dash had bemoaned in the movie's opening -- his master plan to kill all the superheroes and stage a false save-the-world story for himself. At this point, he says, "Everyone will be special, and then no one is."

There are some challenging exceptions to the movie's Objectivist parallels. First, Mr. Incredible places high value on his family, a schema over which Rand frequently glossed in her works. Indeed, Mr. Incredible values his wife and children to the extent of frequently jeopardizing his life and his missions to protect their well-being. Rand provided room for such a scheme of values in her ethics, but seemed to be personally baffled by them, and none of her novel's "heroes" were people of family. A second exception is that the movie's heroes exist for more than their mere rational self-interest. To these men and women, protecting and benefiting their fellow humans is seen as an end in itself, whereas Rand's works viewed it as more of a neutral byproduct of rational behavior.

In this context, The Incredibles would perhaps best be seen as a form of "neo-Objectivism," taking the core concepts of achievement and self-esteem and working in a more explicit space for family and community. Doubtless, part of this effect is due to the need to make the movie palatable as family viewing, but in large part it is likely the true intent of the filmmakers to even out their message -- the individual should achieve and believe in their own power, but such does not preclude deep love or sacrifice.
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2009, 10:45:00 AM »
Well, it looks like FoC has managed to ejaculate Ayn Rand into another thread. News at 11.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2009, 11:10:36 AM »
and how is anti-govt. = conservative all of a sudden for this movies?

Weren't conservatives for the last 8 years going "SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT OR YOU AREN'T A REAL AMERICAN" and mocked anyone who said anything negative about the government? lol

The last 8 years wasn't real conservatism, hence the phrase neo-con. Traditionally conservatism stands for smaller government
neocon was about his foreign policy not about how he wasn't a real conservative on domestic issues.

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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 11:11:11 AM »
Oh and Pixar is liberal hippie land so the comparison is a joke.

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2009, 11:24:02 AM »
That sucks - I love Metropolitan.    Strange how it's rocking the top of the list, when most everything else is a really prominent Hollywood film.  I don't think most stuffy conservative types would really like Whit Stillman movies though.

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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2009, 11:24:02 AM »
Yeah, if the Incredibles had been an objectivist parable, they would have demanded payment for the use of their "special abilities" to better the populace at large.

"Excuse me Mr. Mayor, this is Mr. Incredible.  Just thought you'd like to know that Syndrome is using a giant robot to destroy the city.  Of course, I could do something about that... for a nominal fee, naturally."

Yeah, I don't think we saw an exchange like that in The Incredibles.
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2009, 11:27:59 AM »
Oh and Pixar is liberal hippie land so the comparison is a joke.

The Incredibles is most definitely a film advocating the personal liberty of a gifted few.  But as FoC's essay points out (and wouldn't it be nice if you could articulate things for yourself, FoC, you dumb fuck?) the Incredibles ultimately funnel their energies in to the Common Good instead of assuming that whatever they do, simply because they're a cut above, will be good for the majority.  There's a moral imperative for exceptional people to live by, even if it goes largely unrecognized by nitwit lepers.  The point is to nourish what makes you exceptional while not losing sight of those who constitute your social surroundings (illustrated by Dash's final race, which he wins while still remaining mindful of the other participants).

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2009, 11:31:48 AM »
I miss pre-Ron Paul FoC where whenever he got called out on his insane racist statements about mulsims (one of my favorites from gaf from him was along the lines of "Does anyone else find it interesting how all the terrorists seem to be muslim? :smug") he always tried to defend himself by claiming he was a liberal democrat.

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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2009, 02:10:43 PM »
I used to be liberal. Or at least I voted democrat. Then I realized that the state should only exist to protect freedom and any other act it does only hinders that ability.

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Yeah, if the Incredibles had been an objectivist parable, they would have demanded payment for the use of their "special abilities" to better the populace at large.

No, because objectivism is about making a bunch of money at any cost. It's about doing what makes you happy. And using his powers is what makes him happy.

Almost all of Pixars movies are either direct Ayn Rand stories (Wall-E = Anthem & The Incrediblees = Atlas shrugged) or at the very least about individualism over group think (Bugs life and Ratatouille).

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2009, 02:13:36 PM »
and how is anti-govt. = conservative all of a sudden for this movies?

Weren't conservatives for the last 8 years going "SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT OR YOU AREN'T A REAL AMERICAN" and mocked anyone who said anything negative about the government? lol

The last 8 years wasn't real conservatism, hence the phrase neo-con. Traditionally conservatism stands for smaller government
neocon was about his foreign policy not about how he wasn't a real conservative on domestic issues.

The neocon phrase was not just about foreign policy. In fact Republicans have always pretty open to empire building. The thing about Bush that made a lot of conservatives mad is the amount of money he spent on domestic issues.

The more I think about Bush the more I realize that almost nothing about him was conservative. Only on superficial issues like abortion and religion related things was he "conservative"

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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2009, 02:14:54 PM »
* two posts above should say

"No, because objectivism is not about making a bunch of money at any cost. "

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2009, 02:28:47 PM »
Almost all of Pixars movies are either direct Ayn Rand stories
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Re: The National Review's Best Conservative Movies
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2009, 02:31:24 PM »
Almost all of Pixars movies are either direct Ayn Rand stories
oh dear

Awesome response.

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« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2009, 02:34:01 PM »
Almost all of Pixars movies are either direct Ayn Rand stories
oh dear

Awesome response.
you realize the pixar folk aren't libertarians right? Lasseter the big wig at pixar supported Barry Hussein.

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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2009, 02:34:14 PM »

No, because objectivism is about making a bunch of money at any cost. It's about doing what makes you happy. And using his powers is what makes him happy

If The Incredibles is 'a direct Ayn Rand story', and if using his powers is what makes him happy, why does Dash slow down in his race against the other students at the end of the film?

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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2009, 02:35:28 PM »
you realize the pixar folk aren't libertarians right? Lasseter the big wig at pixar supported Barry Hussein.

I'm basing everything I said on the content of their movies nothing else.

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2009, 02:36:31 PM »

No, because objectivism is about making a bunch of money at any cost. It's about doing what makes you happy. And using his powers is what makes him happy

If The Incredibles is 'a direct Ayn Rand story', and if using his powers is what makes him happy, why does Dash slow down in his race against the other students at the end of the film?

Because he's a kid and he's doing what his parents are telling him to do. And they are telling him to slow down so that they can keep their identities secret.

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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2009, 02:38:22 PM »
you realize the pixar folk aren't libertarians right? Lasseter the big wig at pixar supported Barry Hussein.

I'm basing everything I said on the content of their movies nothing else.

And it is stupid to do so, Wall-E is a liberal film then. Because it is about the importance of protecting our environment at federal government level!

And and A Bug's Life is really about the struggles of Al Quida against the evil west who is taking the middle east's resources!

See how easy this is?