The National Review's Best Conservative Movies

[Barry Egan]

Let's take this step by step.

This is your statement upon which I am basing my question:

"[objectivism is] about doing what makes you happy. And using his powers is what makes him happy"

This is what I'm asking you in response: 

If The Incredibles is an 'Ayn Rand Story', Why is Dash happy at the end of the film despite being told to use less of his power?

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this is what you've implied in your response to my response:

The Incredibles is an Ayn Rand story because Objectivism is about doing what makes you happy, and Dash and the rest of his family are happy using their powers.  Dash is also happy relinquishing his powers because he likes to do what his parents tell him to do.  His parents are happy to tell their son to do less than he is capable of doing because they like keeping their identity a secret.  Each of these elements are considered part of any 'Ayn Rand Story'   

Is there any part of this that you would like to rethink?

[Cheebs]

You are tying to discuss movies with someone who went to film school yet called return of the jedi his favorite movie of all time. Not worth it.

[Barry Egan]

I thought maybe my flashy interlude would help his retention. 

[Flannel Boy]

I thought maybe my flashy interlude would help his retention. 

It worked for me. If only I could insert these in my case books.

[brawndolicious]

this is why I have said that foc should be ignored or even banned.  he comes into every thread with one thing on his mind because he's a butthurt little crybaby.  Tauntaun and bobbyrobby are also libertarians but then would you guessed that they're totally rational?  I don't even remember the last thread where foc didn't start pouting about libertarianism.

[Dickie Dee]

The problem is that the fantasy objectivism in The Incredibles involves people who are truly gifted, while real life objectivism involves the untalented internet masses who wish they were gifted.

Or using LotR and 300 to lament the loss of the West's toughness and bravery while the toughest thing in the room is the keyboard that's survived multiple Mountain Dew spills.

[Crushed]

The problem is that the fantasy objectivism in The Incredibles involves people who are truly gifted, while real life objectivism involves the untalented internet masses who wish they were gifted.

Or using LotR and 300 to lament the loss of the West's toughness and bravery while the toughest thing in the room is the keyboard that's survived multiple Mountain Dew spills.

Or kinda like how conservatives use 24 as a real-life argument for torturing suspects.

[Mr. Gundam]

I love how both liberals and conservatives try to claim Battlestar Galactica as "their show."

[Human Snorenado]

I love how both liberals and conservatives try to claim Battlestar Galactica as "their show."

In reality, we all know it belongs to those without taste.

[Flannel Boy]

I love how both liberals and conservatives try to claim Battlestar Galactica as "their show."

In reality, we all know it belongs to those without taste.

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

[Human Snorenado]

Thanks, folks.  I'll be here until I get a job or go back to school, so that's looking like... forever!

[FlameOfCallandor]

you realize the pixar folk aren't libertarians right? Lasseter the big wig at pixar supported Barry Hussein.

I'm basing everything I said on the content of their movies nothing else.

And it is stupid to do so, Wall-E is a liberal film then. Because it is about the importance of protecting our environment at federal government level!

Wall-E was about not becoming a useless fuck that has others take care of everything for you. In otherwords you cant rely on robots (i.e. Socialist feggits) to plan your life cradle to the grave, because if you do then you become a fat useless asshole.

Anthem is a story about a guy who lives in a future collectivist society where they condemn Individual  progress for the sake of the well being of the collective.

Wall-E is a story about a robot who goes to a collectivist future spaceship where they condem progress for the sake of the well being of the collective.

[Barry Egan]

The problem is that the fantasy objectivism in The Incredibles involves people who are truly gifted, while real life objectivism involves the untalented internet masses who wish they were gifted.

yeah, but as a parable there's also something far more palatable about relating those themes in terms of superheros operating in the comic-book sense (and so are implicitly tied to the common good in a very concrete way) then superheros operating as men of commerce (who you can tie to the common good only after accepting another set of dogma).

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yeah but in the incredibles Mr incredible is being a super hero for purely selfish reasons. He likes to feel the rush, he likes to feel young again, all of these are individual gains that make him happy. It just so happens (as is the case most of the time) that what he does for himself helps intrinsically helps society.

Remember what stopped him from being a hero to begin with? It was the rest of the population saying that he was endangering the collective, so they stripped him of his heroic ability and society then suffers.   Just like socialism, you strip society of the freedom for human beings to be their best and you are left with a society that suffers.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Do you feel socialism has compromised your talents, FOC?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Do you feel socialism has compromised your talents, FOC?

No

[Cheebs]

FoC how excited are you about the potential of the banking system being nationalized under the control of the federal government? Personally I get a hard on just thinking about it.

[Barry Egan]

Yeah but in the incredibles Mr incredible is being a super hero for purely selfish reasons. He likes to feel the rush, he likes to feel young again, all of these are individual gains that make him happy. It just so happens (as is the case most of the time) that what he does for himself helps intrinsically helps society.

Remember what stopped him from bhiseing a hero to begin with? It was the rest of the population saying that he was endangering the collective, so they stripped him of  heroic ability and society then suffers.   Just like socialism, you strip society of the freedom for human beings to be their best and you are left with a society that suffers.

why haven't you responded to my previous post?  Why is the family happy at the end despite having to remain mindful of those around them and limiting the use of their power? 

Your interpretation is mostly accurate.  The problem that Rand's books have that The Incredibles doesn't have is in implicating an entire political and economic system out of its parable about individualism.

Maybe an even more succinct way to put it would be:  The Incredibles is a superior medium for demonstrating Rand's themes because The Incredibles is a childrens movie

[Human Snorenado]

Chipopo, your first mistake is in talking to it like it's capable of reason or logic.

[brawndolicious]

It's obvious in the scene where he hits his boss that Mr. Incredible's main reason for fighting crime isn't for a personal or selfish reason.  That is largely because of the fact that, as chipopo pointed out, this is a fucking Pixar movie.  It has a moral message but there's not enough there to associate with any political ideology unless you're a dysfunctional ass-truffle.

[Barry Egan]

Chipopo, your first mistake is in talking to it like it's capable of reason or logic.

The sad part is that I already know that  :'(  I typed out all that shit with the knowledge that I'm conversing with a black hole and I did it anyway.  FML.

[clothedmacuser]

Well, it looks like FoC has managed to ejaculate Ayn Rand into another thread. News at 11.

And I spit out my drink and messed myself. 

[etiolate]

Team America being taking seriously makes me laugh the most.