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2G2D: Notorious A.I.G. Strikes Again
« on: February 23, 2009, 05:15:25 PM »
Is there any reason we shouldn't be beheading executives on NYSE steps?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29353282

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Sources close to the company [AIG  0.53    -0.01  (-1.85%)    ] said the loss will be near $60 billiondue to writedowns on a variety of assets including commercial real estate.

That massive loss is likely to spur downgrades in its insurance and credit ratings that will force AIG to raise collateral that it doesn't have.

In addition, if AIG's book value falls below a certain level, as it seems certain to do, it will trigger default in certain of its debt instruments, say people familiar with the situation.

All of this adds up to a huge headache for the Federal Reserve and Treasury, which have already provided over $150 billion of assistance to AIG.

Basically, AIG is holding the tattered remnants of the nation's financial system hostage and sending taxpayers a second ransom note.

If those "certain debt instruments" trigger default, the result is an Black Mesa-esque resonant cascade failure of the derivative/reinsurance, which would utterly annihilate Citigroup (and likely BoA) and enough Big European Banks(tm) to send the rest of the system down like a path of dominoes.

Scary stuff, but super high drama on the finance blogs today makes for good multislackin'. Also, it points out that the losses in commerical real estate are at this point mostly unrealized by most of the big banks, and there is a LOT of bad loans out there for that sector too.

edit: article also mentions this-

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That seems unlikely, but last November, the government took control of many of AIG's credit default swaps and so a bankruptcy of the holding company might not pose the systemic risk it once did.

Emphasis there on the might. Honestly all it would take to bankrupt half of the big banks in the world right now is for an honest executive to pipe out and lay out of the bank's balance sheet with some real talk.
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Re: 2G2D: Notorious A.I.G. Strikes Again
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 05:18:44 PM »
Is there any reason we shouldn't be beheading executives on NYSE steps?
Too painless?
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 05:28:07 PM »
As we all know, I've been advocating for setting up a guillotine on the NYSE steps since Lehman went down, but I have to say I like what John Cole has to say about AIG.

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I’m not even going to pretend to understand what is going on, but I will say this- if I owned 80% of something, and every damned month it cost me a metric ton of money I did not have, it would not be too long before I drove that something off a cliff, hit it in the back of the head with a shovel, or shot it multiple times at close range.

Why can’t we shoot AIG and bury it in the backyard?
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 05:29:19 PM »
ceo = chief execution opportunity
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 05:36:01 PM »
Bill Maher suggested that these scumfuckers won't get in line unless we kill a couple of 'em on Friday's Real Time.  He just wanted to kill two of 'em.  Personally, I think that's way too low- the problem isn't institutional, it's a personality flaw.  Might as well kill the lot of them- everyone from the CEO to the boards to the junior executives to the day traders and hedge fund managers.  Kill.  Them.  All.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 05:40:31 PM »
As we all know, I've been advocating for setting up a guillotine on the NYSE steps since Lehman went down, but I have to say I like what John Cole has to say about AIG.

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I’m not even going to pretend to understand what is going on, but I will say this- if I owned 80% of something, and every damned month it cost me a metric ton of money I did not have, it would not be too long before I drove that something off a cliff, hit it in the back of the head with a shovel, or shot it multiple times at close range.

Why can’t we shoot AIG and bury it in the backyard?

france used to execute crooked creditors! WHY CAN'T WE BE MORE LIKE THE FRENCH, AMERICA
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 05:42:56 PM »
You can't bury and shoot AIG because, even though we own like 80% of the company, they sold debt swaps to EVERYONE and in huge, massive quantities that make 60 billion USD look like coke machine change. If they go under, all the counterparties to those swaps have to report losses, which in turns makes them more insolvent, which brings the whole shitheap down.

And I agree with Bill Maher-the executive/management elite in this country is so insulated and insular that it will take bloodshed to make them act in good faith with the government and the people.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 05:44:22 PM »
Or the Chinese!  They're executing some of the execs in the milk controversy over there.

Frag- I realize that we can't piss AIG as an institution away.  I'd just like to kill all of the decision makers and put some economics professors in charge, is all. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 05:44:25 PM »
Is there any reason we shouldn't be beheading executives on NYSE steps?
Too painless?
I think this is the correct answer...
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 07:03:15 PM »
American Cultural Revolution.  Do it.  Now.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 07:27:34 PM »
And no one is held accountable, still.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2009, 07:55:34 PM »
it doesn't help that the system itself is corrupt
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 08:30:30 PM »
"Do you Gentlemen know how much money you guys lost?"


"Wasn't our money lol"
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
...put some economics professors in charge... 

wat?  they'd probably sit around and smart talk all day and never really do anything.  We should ask President Bush to take over AIG... he's probably not doing anything, and his track record as a CEO is amazing.
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