Somali pirates owned.

[duckman2000]

I anticipate that the no-kill policy is history now. I appreciate that the US government did what they did to save one of its citizens, but that particular citizen made the wrong choice from the start. From here on, raids will be done with guns firing right away.

[Veidt]

I just feel like there should be an international government to control Somalia for a few years. What that country can have, and how they treat each other is just sad.

[duckman2000]

I just feel like there should be an international government to control Somalia for a few years. What that country can have, and how they treat each other is just sad.

Well, we've all seen how inefficient the UN peacekeeping program can be when deployed to troubled African regions. Now, a UN sanctioned and funded deconstructive program, that would probably be more effective. There would be blood spilled initially, but there would be more long term stability.

[Veidt]

I just feel like there should be an international government to control Somalia for a few years. What that country can have, and how they treat each other is just sad.

Well, we've all seen how inefficient the UN peacekeeping program can be when deployed to troubled African regions. Now, a UN sanctioned and funded deconstructive program, that would probably be more effective. There would be blood spilled initially, but there would be more long term stability.

That's how I see it too.

[Boogie]

I just wanted to post to emphasize the technical skill involved in the rescue operation.

From my understanding, the SEALS made their shots either from the water, or from the Bainbridge.  Either way, the technical difficulty of making three near-simultaneous one-shot headshots at sea is incredible.  Those SEALS deserve some medals for sure.

[Fresh Prince]

I just wanted to post to emphasize the technical skill involved in the rescue operation.

From my understanding, the SEALS made their shots either from the water, or from the Bainbridge.  Either way, the technical difficulty of making three near-simultaneous one-shot headshots at sea is incredible.  Those SEALS deserve some medals for sure.

Apparently all three pirate heads 'bobbed' up at the same time adding further difficulty in what was really an enclosed vessel.

Anyway Somali pirates are freedom fighters fighting and pillaging for freedom.

[duckman2000]

I'm not sure anyone deserves a medal for blowing someone's head off, but it definitely shows that they are mighty good at what they do.

[Boogie]

I'm not sure anyone deserves a medal for blowing someone's head off, but it definitely shows that they are mighty good at what they do.

well, they also directly saved a man's life by blowing those heads off.

But I'm willing to accept that as my bias.  I think those SEALS deserve kudos for their work.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not sure anyone deserves a medal for blowing someone's head off, but it definitely shows that they are mighty good at what they do.

mighty huge simplification of what they did

[duckman2000]

The saved the life of a Maersk employee who acted stupidly in the first place. It's great and all that he was saved, but some dudes just got their heads blown off. I appreciate the skill involved the operation, but it feels positively medieval to praise distant killing ability as something that should be rewarded with medals.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm not sure anyone deserves a medal for blowing someone's head off, but it definitely shows that they are mighty good at what they do.

well, they also directly saved a man's life by blowing those heads off.

But I'm willing to accept that as my bias.  I think those SEALS deserve kudos for their work.

I'm pretty sure they were on the Bainbridge.  Still a fucking incredible feat of marksmanship, but then again... they're SEALS.  We sink a lot of money into training them to be the ultimate badasses, obviously it's well spent if this is any indication.  I wonder how far back from the lifeboat they were?

Anyway, Boog, will you admit that instead of viciously sniping those poor pirates the SEALS should have used a loudspeaker to announce their intent first?

[duckman2000]

I'm not sure anyone deserves a medal for blowing someone's head off, but it definitely shows that they are mighty good at what they do.

mighty huge simplification of what they did

Not really, considering that I was responding to this:

Either way, the technical difficulty of making three near-simultaneous one-shot headshots at sea is incredible.  Those SEALS deserve some medals for sure.

[Rman]

The saved the life of a Maersk employee who acted stupidly in the first place. It's great and all that he was saved, but some dudes just got their heads blown off. I appreciate the skill involved the operation, but it feels positively medieval to praise distant killing ability as something that should be rewarded with medals.

I don't get this.  The pirates provoked the situation.  They initiated lethal force in the first place by taking an hostage at gun point.

[duckman2000]

The saved the life of a Maersk employee who acted stupidly in the first place. It's great and all that he was saved, but some dudes just got their heads blown off. I appreciate the skill involved the operation, but it feels positively medieval to praise distant killing ability as something that should be rewarded with medals.

I don't get this.  The pirates provoked the situation.  They initiated lethal force in the first place.

I'm not taking the pirates' side at all, just getting a bit fed up with the admiration of lethal force. They did their job well, good for them and good for that idiot captain. But there's still the matter of their job involving shooting others in the head. I guess I'm less tolerant of this outside of directly military applications, but I find it mildly nauseating to see former Navy SEAL this or that on national news talking military tech talk in describing the operation which eliminated the targets. Seems like neatly packaged, primitive culture.

And I'm still not sure how well this is going to work out on a larger scale than just this ship. Did they also launch a larger operation to deal with the possible aftershocks, or are they simply going to watch over US freighters from here on? The piracy isn't going to go away, so we'll see how this little operation will affect future pirate operations.

[Human Snorenado]

It's pussies like you who make my hero, William Tecumseh Sherman seem like a jackass rather than a pragmatist.

[duckman2000]

Out of curiosity, where is the ship right now? Did it ever make it to its destination?

[Veidt]

Last I heard it was it was at a port at Kenya.

[OptimoPeach]

I'm not taking the pirates' side at all, just getting a bit fed up with the admiration of lethal force. They did their job well, good for them and good for that idiot captain. But there's still the matter of their job involving shooting others in the head. I guess I'm less tolerant of this outside of directly military applications, but I find it mildly nauseating to see former Navy SEAL this or that on national news talking military tech talk in describing the operation which eliminated the targets. Seems like neatly packaged, primitive culture.

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No one is happy that three people had to be killed. It's an ugly affair, yeah, but that doesn't take away from how difficult it is to carry out an operation like this without a hitch. And sorry, but when you take hostages at gunpoint you lose any chance of sympathy from me.

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[dammitmattt]

I'm not taking the pirates' side at all, just getting a bit fed up with the admiration of lethal force. They did their job well, good for them and good for that idiot captain.

You are such an idiotic douche sometimes.  The captain is a fucking hero who sacrificed himself to secure the safety of his crew.

[Cheebs]

how in the world is the captain to blame?

Navy SEALS

headshots

[The Fake Shemp]

Maybe if he hadn't tried to escape the lawless pirates wouldn't be dead?

[FlameOfCallandor]

 

I bet your outlook would change if the pirates had taken you prisoner.

[FlameOfCallandor]

No one is happy that three people had to be killed.

Speak for yourself. I'm pretty happy that three  of the pirates are dead. I saw throw the forth overboard in the middle of the ocean. 

[The Fake Shemp]

Have you ever met a pirate, FoC?

[The Fake Shemp]

Not including butt pirates.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You know I wasnt even talking to you right wilco?

[Cheebs]

No one is happy that three people had to be killed.

Speak for yourself. I'm pretty happy that three  of the pirates are dead. I saw throw the forth overboard in the middle of the ocean. 

The fourth one is apparently 14 years old.

[The Fake Shemp]

If he's old enough to be a pirate, he's old enough to be thrown overboard!

/FoC

[FlameOfCallandor]

No one is happy that three people had to be killed.

Speak for yourself. I'm pretty happy that three  of the pirates are dead. I saw throw the forth overboard in the middle of the ocean. 

The fourth one is apparently 14 years old.

I heard he was 16. In that case we should hold him prisoner until he's 17 then throw him overboard in the middle of the ocean.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Piracy: legal as long as your younger than 18.

/liberal distinguished mentally-challenged fellows

[Cheebs]

I am not saying he should be let go but the fact he is a minor makes things a ton more complex. It isn't as simple with him as you want it to be.

[FlameOfCallandor]

What would you do? To me shit like this that happened with this ship is 1000 times more serious than middle eastern terrorism.

[Human Snorenado]

No one is happy that three people had to be killed.

Speak for yourself. I'm pretty happy that three  of the pirates are dead. I saw throw the forth overboard in the middle of the ocean. 

   Of course you're happy, the pirates were black, amirite???

[Human Snorenado]

What would you do? To me shit like this that happened with this ship is 1000 times more serious than middle eastern terrorism.

Oh Jesus, REALLY?  Cause PROPERTY was seized, amirite?  Ugh, fuck off.

[The Fake Shemp]

Piracy: legal as long as your younger than 18.

/liberal distinguished mentally-challenged fellows

Who's saying it should be legal, we're just asking if warrants the death penalty if you're a minor.

Should this kid be condemned to death? We don't know the circumstances of his upbringing. He's likely a victim of the destabilization of Somalia.

I mean, you're a libertarian, self-centered nightmare on account of your cushy, upper middle class upbringing, but none of us are eager to throw you overboard on account of your sheltered childhood.

[Flannel Boy]

Poor pirates.  :'(

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What would you do? To me shit like this that happened with this ship is 1000 times more serious than middle eastern terrorism.

:stfu

[Eric P]

these pirates go galt and you want a state solution, FoC?

way to be a hypocrite

[Flannel Boy]

This thread is one-thousand times worse than what happened on that ship, consequently, one-million times worse than Middle Eastern terrorism.

[Eric P]

This thread is one-thousand times worse than what happened on that ship, consequently, one-million times worse than Middle Eastern terrorism.

if this thread were a family murdering wrestler, which one would it be and which evil dictator would be his analog in the annals of history?

[Andowsky]

3 dead pirates FTW.

[Flannel Boy]

This thread is a cage match, staged on top of a pile of Chris Benoit's murdered family members, between Adolf Hitler and Andre the Giant with a prematch concert performed by the Insane Clown Posse .

[Dickie Dee]

^^ LOL

The fact that lolbertopians can't help but lick their chops at the thought of real live PIRATES and seeing harsh justice dealt to them outside of a legal system is pretty telling about their worldview.

[Human Snorenado]

^^ LOL

The fact that lolbertopians can't help but lick their chops at the thought of real live PIRATES and seeing harsh justice dealt to them outside of a legal system is pretty telling about their worldview.

It's mostly just FoC, he's a big racist and the notion of seeing someone with dark skin getting killed probably gives him a chubby.

Wait, a lot of the stormfront crowd dug Ron Paul, didn't they?  Ok, libertopians are probably mostly racist.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Do liberals get off by calling other people racist?  Cause thats really triumphs only respnse to anything I say. Blah blah blah You're racist blah blah. 

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It would probably bother me if it were true.

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I do think its funny that a few of the most liberal people on the bore are trying to find sympathy in a situation that deserves none. Some murdering d-bags captured a ship carrying relief aid (lulz). Then they kidnapped the captain and threatened to kill him. And the best you guys can come up with is b-b-but they are only 16, b-b-b-but they are black we need to send more relief (EPIC FUCKING LULZ) so this doesn’t happen again.

[Cheebs]

He is a fucking KID. Most likely forced into this situation unwillingly due to the instability of the country. And he is no threat at all to us, we have him in custody. How the hell do you justify just killing him? He has no one kidnapped, he is just some kid who was in over his head.

[Veidt]

Plus. The pirates never actually kill anyone.

[AdmiralViscen]

Is there any greater destruction of personal liberty by government than killing a dude? The fugggg

Who is more worth putting on ignore, FoC or duckman?

[Flannel Boy]

Plus. The pirates never actually kill anyone.

The pirates do kidnap innocent crew members, many of whom are fairly poor themselves, at gun-point and then hold them hostage for months until they receive millions of dollars. No matter how well they treat their hostages, the pirates are still scum.

[ManaByte]

Some dumbshit called into Coast to Coast AM on Saturday night trying to defend the Somali Pirates. Saying that the US doesn't understand their plight and they have a right to act out like that. Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

[Cheebs]

Plus. The pirates never actually kill anyone.

The pirates do kidnap innocent crew members, many of whom are fairly poor themselves, at gun-point and then hold them hostage for months until they receive millions of dollars. No matter how well they treat their hostages, the pirates are still scum.

Obviously, they are scum and the kid should not be let go. But what the kid did, especially the fact he is a minor does not warrant the death penalty.

[Veidt]

As a Somali. The pirates are complete filth. There's not diference between them and the other "izbaro" ( road block raiders).  But,  people aren't born evil. Heck, if the circumstances were turned around, I could be the guy in the hands of the SEALS. The pirates are just an after effect of a functionless government. I really want the UN to step in and start breaking tribals.

Oh, and I was there in Black Hawk Down. I made a visit to the military base, my dad worked for the Red Cross. Those soldiers were so awesome. I met and African American dude, he was so awesome, he gave me this huuuuuge red apple. I'll never forget that day, those guys were freakin' heroes.

[duckman2000]

Plus. The pirates never actually kill anyone.

The pirates do kidnap innocent crew members, many of whom are fairly poor themselves, at gun-point and then hold them hostage for months until they receive millions of dollars. No matter how well they treat their hostages, the pirates are still scum.

This is true, but then what is going to be done, on a larger scale? The US government intervened to save one of its own, that's great, but I'd certainly hope there is a comprehensive plan being crafted to deal with the larger problem. The next pirate attack is going to be a bloody one, so it would be nice if the fundamentals could be worked on to avoid some of this.

And irrespective of the scum nature of the pirates, I still find the public awe in regards to a neatly worded military operation that results in heads being blown off to be somewhat troubling.

[Eric P]

This is true, but then what is going to be done, on a larger scale? The US government intervened to save one of its own, that's great, but I'd certainly hope there is a comprehensive plan being crafted to deal with the larger problem. The next pirate attack is going to be a bloody one, so it would be nice if the fundamentals could be worked on to avoid some of this.

four more ships have been taken in the past few days.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/bernard-goldberg-hannity_n_186613.html

smh

[Flannel Boy]

Plus. The pirates never actually kill anyone.

The pirates do kidnap innocent crew members, many of whom are fairly poor themselves, at gun-point and then hold them hostage for months until they receive millions of dollars. No matter how well they treat their hostages, the pirates are still scum.

Obviously, they are scum and the kid should not be let go. But what the kid did, especially the fact he is a minor does not warrant the death penalty.

I don't recall saying the death penalty was warranted. I was simply expressing that I wasn't very sympathetic.

[duckman2000]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/bernard-goldberg-hannity_n_186613.html

smh

I don't get this. Are these pundits bound by contract to find controversy in something every day, or is there some kind of jackass character bonus involved every time they themselves become the topic of debate? Regardless of what I've said about the cultural mindset re: military operations and life/death, as far as hostage rescue operations go, it was pretty much perfect. Not sure how you can criticize the president for this.

[tehjaybo]

Hes just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity

[FlameOfCallandor]

Typical liberal response. We are never responsible for our own actions.  SMS. Someone could rape your mother and eat your dog while you watch and you would find excuses. Lol

[AdmiralViscen]

Even medieval savages wouldn't kill a negotiator who was in their care

[Cheebs]

Typical liberal response. We are never responsible for our own actions.  SMS. Someone could rape your mother and eat your dog while you watch and you would find excuses. Lol

We aren't saying what he did is wrong, we are saying it doesn't justify the death penalty.