Fallout: New Vegas

[Bebpo]

Yeah Rumbler, we know you have the magic version


I actually use the crashes to take a break.  If I think I've been playing for a while and want to do something else or check my e-mail I just keep playing until it crashes.  I don't think I've quit out of the game more than once or twice.  Usually just play until I crash out.  Happens about every 20-30 mins.  Although to be fair I think I get crashes so often because of my speed glasses.  When you're moving at 200+ mph in an open world streaming game it causes problems when it can't load what's ahead of you in time and crashes.

[pilonv1]

0 crashes in 9 hours here

Even ALT+Tabbed out of the game a few times.

[Shuri]

Gah, I kind of overpowered my character; i'm walking around with a bumper sword, ripping people apart and i'm level 7. Four guys just tried to attack me and it was over in about 10 seconds. This sucks. I feel like Jason Voorhess.

Good game but I'm glad I rented it.

[Bebpo]

There are some amaaaazing weapons hidden around sites.

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PULSE GUN
TELSA CANNON

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[pilonv1]

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Telsa cannon

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was in one of the of the DLCs wasn't it?

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I picked up THAT GUN

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It's a pretty shit weapon despite being rare

[huckleberry]

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I picked up THAT GUN

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It's a pretty shit weapon despite being rare

yeah, shit weapon indeed.

[Bebpo]

Alllmost done with the locations.  There are so many in this game (a lot are junk though).  I think I found about 160 so far, looks like around 170-180?  Just hit lvl.30, yay.  Time to go do another ending.  I hope I can get that Ranger armor that's on the cover of the game if I'm good with NCR all the way.  I mean I could always kill one of them and steal it but I've always been good to NCR and don't wanna screw that up.

[Stoney Mason]

Gah, I kind of overpowered my character; i'm walking around with a bumper sword, ripping people apart and i'm level 7. Four guys just tried to attack me and it was over in about 10 seconds. This sucks. I feel like Jason Voorhess.

Good game but I'm glad I rented it.

You may already be doing it, but you definitely have to play these Fallout games on hard at minimum. Even then once you get higher level it will be a catwalk but at least there is slightly more of a challenge early on. It's pretty easy to get overpowered weapons early in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas if you explore so playing on normal gets easy real quick.

I was curious so I also downloaded all the dlc packs just to see what was in them. They were so overpowered I immediately deleted them.

[pilonv1]

You don't need to play them on hard. I just level up my Science, Lockpicking, Repairs and Speech first. That way you can get all the cool stuff you'd never go back for but it's still challenging (or scary) if you get in a bad position.

Like in the mission at Helios ONE

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When you walk into the room with 5 protectortrons, I thought I could sneak past them without them noticing me. Next thing I knew I had them all on my tail and none of my weapons (all bullet based) did anything against them.

So I laid down 5 pulse mines and because my explosive skills are so bad they barely scratched them and I got raped.

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[pilonv1]

This mod looks interesting



http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34831

[Eel O'Brian]

some things in this game are way out of balance

deathclaws and cazadors

not really because they're that tough (they are, though), but because they throw them at you in packs

you'll hit a single cazador every now and then, but if you don't have a companion and you run across a deathclaw, you're just dead, because there's always one or two right behind him

hopefully there's a mod (or will be) that will let me knock these things down to manageable levels

there was nothing better in FO3 than trotting back to that super mutant overlord who raped you earlier and splitting his head open with a simple chinese assault rifle because you'd become such a badass

there's none of that here, i don't feel like there's any real reward for leveling up other than being able to lockpick safes or hack computers (the most zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz parts of these games)

fuck playing on hard and a bunch of stupid survival bullshit ("I'm hungry!  I'm thirsty!  OMG I'm so tired! Such realism in this post-apocalyptic game filled with mutant critters and pretend Roman Empires!"), i'm level 16 and i want to feel like a minor god

who the fuck wants to feel like a regular dude

[pilonv1]

Level cap is 30, you're only halfway there.

[Stoney Mason]

I was more addressing his point earlier as I have run into the same thing. The combat gets boring as you level up. I remember in Fallout 3 at a certain point cranking the difficulty and thinking the setting was broken because it didn't really feel any different. And by no means am I some kind of master gamer.

I think some people play games like this and still want the challenge which always seems to disappear rather quickly imo in both games (Fallout 3 and New Vegas). Others just want to power up and destroy the enemies because the real star of the Fallout games is the world. It's not really the combat.

Neither opinion is wrong. Although personally I wish it still remained more of a challenge as you leveled up. I wish I was forced to use some of the shitty guns for longer because it quickly becomes a thing where I ignore 95% of the weapons and just go headshot everytime in VATS with the one or two that I do use.

Come to think of it this is what I wish hardcore mode addressed rather than stuff that doesn't interest me liking having to eat and drink stuff which seems more like tedious busywork for me.
 

[Eel O'Brian]

i'm just ranting, i'm playing on normal and getting my ass handed to me unless i have that kill-stealing fucker boone with me all the time

i just wish it was balanced to where i could play it on normal as a loner (except to do the companion quests) and everyone else could have their very hard and hardcore setting

i mean, i tagged a deathclaw by the quarry from far away, to bait him into heading my way, figuring i could chip away at him and kill him before he got to me, and the sonofabitch still managed to get where i was (mind you i am hitting him almost every single shot), knock out cass, kill all the workers who ran out + that disgusting mole rat pet they had, and knock me down to 1/4 health before i finally finished him off

this is on normal, with me at level 16 and specializing in guns (with finesse and better crit perks, AND wearing that beret - i mean, i should be critting this motherfucker every other shot)

then in the distance i saw deathclaw #2 headed up the road to see what all the fuss was about so i just hit esc and reloaded an earlier save

[Stoney Mason]

Well it also probably makes it a lot easier in that in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas I always used companions. I sort of like the feeling of having a party. In fact I wish I could level the companion and do more stuff with him but that's just my RPG leveling inclination.

[Eel O'Brian]

i like the companions better here than in FO3 (they're a lot more interesting), but by the time their personal quests are over i'm kind of tired of them and just want them gone

i even forget to use them as pack mules and end up fast-traveling back to my home to drop stuff off

[pilonv1]

Come to think of it this is what I wish hardcore mode addressed rather than stuff that doesn't interest me liking having to eat and drink stuff which seems more like tedious busywork for me.

This we can agree on. Hardcore mode should not be about eating/drinking, but reducing the amount of gear you can carry, or the number of caps/ammo you find, or even limiting your XP. Right now it's Fallout Real Life Mode. I'm surprised they aren't getting me to attend meetings and fill in expense reports.

[cool breeze]

I'm guessing the strip had a lot of good vendors because I pretty much made everyone broke by selling items.  Me and this robot drone thing are practically filled with items that need storing or selling and I'm out of options.

...and this stupid game makes it so I only have 5 hours of sleep tonight  :'(

This mod looks interesting

[img]http://i.imgur.com/LMGq1.jpg[/img

http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34831

that does look like a nice mod to use

[BlueTsunami]

Cazadors were kicking my ass so I ended up trying to pull single ones from the group and then when the others follow I have enough distance to take each other one out. Out in the Wastelands being a sniper is great for this but its much tougher in caves. In which case I found a weapon from past fallouts that allows one to disintegrate enemies rather easily. Usually takes about two shots to take out one Cazador. Also they become much slower when you take out their wings. They are rather overpowered though, even in Power Armor a swarm can take out Veronica rather easily.

[Bebpo]

Re: achievement talk

Is there anyway to get that "kicked out of all casinos" achievement besides through gambling until they run out of cash?  Because my character can't gamble ^^;  I tried killing someone or bringing weapons in to see if I'd get thrown out but instead they just started attacking and it doesn't change anything.  Unless that achievement just means all the casinos attack you on sight?

Did all the major ending paths (achievement ones).  And yeah the healing and damage # ones are gonna be the hardest to get without full replays using different weapon types.  I looked at the end of the game and I'd only healed 6k in HP after 40 hours and you need 10k, lol.  And man the eating 10k worth of HP is nuts.  Plus finding 50 blue caps to even start the bottle cap quest one.  Those are the most annoying.

Also what's really weird is how few locked terminals there are in the game.  It must've been because so many were red and I didn't want to piss the people off and touch them or something but by the end I only had 20 hacked terminals and you need 25 for the achievement.

In theory NV is one of those games that would be fun to try to get all the achievements, but in practice too many are a pain in the ass to make it worth it.  Kind of like how DR1 made you want to get all the achievements, but in DR2 a handful are awful and that feeling goes far far away.

[BlueTsunami]

On another note. I hope to GOD Bethesda makes "seamless" loadtimes a point of focus in whatever new engine they've cooked up. The load times in New Vegas are absolutely obnoxious. I roll my eyes when small little tents are separate from the outer area.

[Bebpo]

Btw, reading the guide and it's totally worth the money just to see [END MAIN STORY QUEST SPOILER]

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All the possible ways to kill Kimball if you're working for Legion.  Some of them are hilarious and awesome.  Like putting c4 in the soldiers helmet, or having NCR guns shoot the plane down, or having the AA gun explode in the middle of the speech, or blowing up the plane with a weapon while it's flying in or out.  Lolz.  I was so boring.  Just used a stealth boy and sniped his head off.  Didn't realize there were so many options.

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[Robo]

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/fallout-vegas-walkthrough.php

best walkthrough ever

[Raban]

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/fallout-vegas-walkthrough.php

best walkthrough ever

[Great Rumbler]

For everyone who's got the PC version, he's the mod to keep an eye on:

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34684

FOOK 2 was updated today to account for even more minor fixes.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

bah I screwed up and now im at a stand still

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im at ceasers island but I lost the pardon quest so I have to go in guns blazing to find the chip, which I don't even know where it is. anyone got any tip

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[pilonv1]

http://newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35061

New radio station!

[Stoney Mason]

I'll go ahead and install that. One of the things I wish was that it was easier just to add your own mp3 to play in the pipboy.

[Great Rumbler]

bah I screwed up and now im at a stand still

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im at ceasers island but I lost the pardon quest so I have to go in guns blazing to find the chip, which I don't even know where it is. anyone got any tip

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It's on Caesar's person.

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[pilonv1]

I just want the FO3 music.

[Eel O'Brian]

I'll go ahead and install that. One of the things I wish was that it was easier just to add your own mp3 to play in the pipboy.

there were a bunch of fo3 mods for doing that, most will probably be ported over shortly

[OptimoPeach]

Yeah I have to say that the radio really sucks this time around

[pilonv1]

Yeah I have to say that the radio really sucks this time around

Best Friend Tabitha says you suck.

[Great Rumbler]

Found a pretty awesome energy weapon.

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It's the Tesla-Beaton Prototype, it consumes 45 energy cells per shot but does some crazy damager. It's located at the crashed vertibird site all the way in the south, near the middle of the map.

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[Shuri]

I wish hardcore mode was more about realistic damage. 3-4 shots (if you are wearing armor) at most and you are dead, but then again the entire game would have to be rebalanced. Normal humans would be subject to this too.

[BlueTsunami]

Feel the same way. I hope Fallout 4 is more Stalker like in that regard.

[Great Rumbler]

Question about the Brotherhood of Steel:

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Is there any way to finish the NCR questline without destroying the Brotherhood? Also, I did the optional quest to make to help one of the other guys overrthrow the elder, does anything ever happen with regards to this is or does is just a dead end?

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[Bebpo]

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If you don't overthrow the elder you can have them join the NCR.  But if you overthrew the Elder than the new guy hates NCR and won't.

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Spent all day reading the guide.  Amazing book.  Probably best game book I've read since Xenogears Perfect Works.  So much great worldview information.  Highly recommended.


Also went through the LE stuff.  The card deck is AWESOME.  Every card is an npc from with the game with original art by the character designer + a good quote from them.  The making of DVD is w/e though.

[Great Rumbler]

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If you don't overthrow the elder you can have them join the NCR.  But if you overthrew the Elder than the new guy hates NCR and won't.

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Wonderful. I thought that the other guy would be willing to change, since the current elder only wanted to hide in his hole forever. And I can't go back and change that because I did all the Brotherhood stuff about 15-20 hours ago. 

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I would say that, of the 40+ hours that I've played, this is the one thing that finally got me. I am genuinely angry about this, because the way it all played out ended up being the opposite of what it led the gamer to believe while it was still ongoing. Plus, it's really driven me into a corner here and the only option left is the one I don't want to do, is the most difficult to do, and the one most likely to drive away my favorite companion. So thanks for that.

[Bebpo]

It happens.  I had a few things not go my way in my main run.

[cool breeze]

so, I go into the prison to get this warden dude, right? the guy at the door tells me my disguise won't fool him and he asks for 100 caps.  I pay, walk towards the door, and the asshole starts firing on me.  I shatter his face in one punch.  I go in and everyone is cool with me; one dude even comes up and tells me that we're cool despite our history of me killing dozens of them.  I enter a building and another one starts attacking me! again, de-nosed him.  I noticed that the only person attacking me have names, so even when I'm fighting them, no one else reacts.  Better yet, I get karma for killing these guys.  I go around and murder everyone in the building, walk outside, and some guy is telling me about how he'd like a pet robot too.

 I go into the final big building and punch everyone out, but after killing one of them, it tells me I fail a quest because I wasn't supposed to kill a dude.  I load up my old save, run in, knock everyone out, and when it is just me and the final guy, I basically run away to loot the building as he chases me.  I broke his entire arm and knocked the gun away with an uppercut and for the next five minutes it is like Benny Hill music playing in my head as I run around opening locks and cracking safes as this guy tries to stab me.  I eventually lock him in the building through the miracle of doors and teleport out of there.  I have no clue what to do now because I've read the guy who has to give me the quest is the asshole trying to stab me! I might go grab my boxing gloves and make him unconscious and see if that helps.

Obsidian

also, ffs, why is it negative karma when I steal from a dead guy? better yet, why do I get positive karma for killing him, but negative for stealing an empty bottle?

[Bebpo]

lolol

You can't do every quest.  A lot of them are faction specific and if that faction doesn't like you they'll attack you on sight so you can't get it.

[pilonv1]

Cant you have everone neutral?

[cool breeze]

I actually really like this game and it feels different from Fallout 3.  There is a lot about New Vegas that is better, but at the same time, Fallout 3 had different charm.  Fallout 3 did a good job at showing a world that has gone to shit because you were walking around in empty cities, crashed boats, and recognizable landmarks in DC.  New Vegas is more like the post-apocalyptic wild west, at least so far.

One thing about the combat is that I'm using VATS a lot less now.  I don't know exactly what they changed, but just pointing and shooting feels more accurate and powerful than using VATS plus it's much quicker. 

[Bebpo]

Cant you have everone neutral?

If you don't kill anyone in the game (well you can kill any gang member that isn't in a faction on your pipboy) and don't do a single quest for any faction...sure

[Great Rumbler]

Beat the game today. 40 hours.

[Bebpo]

What ending?

[Great Rumbler]

What ending?

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I decided that I didn't want to kill off the Brotherhood, so I ended up doing the Wild Card quests and taking over New Vegas for myself and my robot army. Talked down the leader of Caesar's Legions and the NCR general. Because that's how I roll.

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[Bebpo]

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yeah, that's all the same choices I made the first time I finished it.  For the same reason.  I wanted to do NCR route but I didn't want to take out the Brotherhood cause they were my homies.

If you do fight Legate, he's a bittttch

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[Great Rumbler]

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yeah, that's all the same choices I made the first time I finished it.  For the same reason.  I wanted to do NCR route but I didn't want to take out the Brotherhood cause they were my homies.

If you do fight Legate, he's a bittttch

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I did that the first time and he completely destroyed my robot buddy, Rex, and Veronica in like one hit each. None of my guns would do more than one bar of health per shot. 

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[Brehvolution]

Looking for some advice:

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I gave the plat chip to house and upgraded his bots. He's sending me to the boom boom(?) brothers, or something, to try to sway them his way. Am I getting too quick into the story ending cause I feel I'm missing a lot of stuff. I'm at the point where I got the map to know the path through the artillery field.

Steam says I've played for 17 hours though I don't know if it's counting the 2 hours I lost in a bad save.

Backstory: I got the chip by going to the legion fort where Benny was held and did some Caesar quests to upgrade the bots to MKII so I could return the chip back to House.

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I just want to know if I should go back and do some quests from other people first.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, this would be a good time to explore.  Either that or finish it and do a 2nd play.

[Robo]

According to the wikia, that's pretty much where you want to stop progressing the story if you mean to do other things.  After that point, you'll be locking yourself into a faction and the rest will become permanently hostile toward you, so it's good to get your fill of quests beforehand.

[BlueTsunami]

Man... the Gauss Rifle... so good

[Brehvolution]

Thanks guys!

[pilonv1]

Man... the Gauss Rifle... so good

Gauss Rifle was a Deathclaw Terminator in FO3. I loved it.

I had a fantastic night of this last night, I'm officially in love with this game and probably more so than FO3.

I started the quest related to the NCR crops outside the main city, which sends you to Vault 34. Anyway Vault 34 raped me in ways I didn't know were possible. I crawled out with only one limb left (my head). So I abandoned that and ended up doing the Van Graffs questline which was great fun. I felt a bit bad at the end of it though.

Now I'm at Camp McCarran doing the quests there which are also fantastic for a sneaky speech character. It's amazing how much you can complete with certain speech/intelligence checks.

[Human Snorenado]

Ok, about to start seriously playing this.  Anyone got any suggestions for patches/mods?  A preemptive stfu to Bebpo- I am not a weeaboo and have no urge to go traipsing through the wasteland with every possible fucking recruitable character like this is a squeenix game, so shove it.

[Great Rumbler]

-MTUI
-Project Beauty
-FOOK 2 [not that great yet, but eventually this will be the go-to mod for fixes]
-Inventory Sorters

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/

[Brehvolution]

Ok, about to start seriously playing this.  Anyone got any suggestions for patches/mods?  A preemptive stfu to Bebpo- I am not a weeaboo and have no urge to go traipsing through the wasteland with every possible fucking recruitable character like this is a squeenix game, so shove it.

[pilonv1]

Get the radio station I linked above. Once you listen to all of Best Friend Tabitha you'll want it.