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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2009, 11:06:20 AM »
It isn't just how liberals feel. I bet if you did a poll amongst independents they'd agree the GOP has no ideas.

Whats the GOP plan on making sure every american has healthcare?

Whats the GOP plan on fighting global warming?

Whats the GOP plan on fixing our relations with world leaders who don't like us thanks to Bush?

Even McCain's own campaign manager says the GOP stands for nothing but "no" right now.


Clearly the liberal plan of throwing all sorts of shit against the wall and seeing what sticks is a lot better.

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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2009, 11:09:34 AM »
I just want a government that leaves the people alone for the most part. If I wanted to big a man-baby and have someone take care of me all the time I would be cheebs.

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« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2009, 11:12:26 AM »
I agree about the progressives and two party system.  Things wouldn't be that different under McCain than they are under Obama.  McCain is proof that a progressive republican is not the way to go.  Republicans forgot (and many still don't understand) that a conservative has to actually be conservative.  I prefer fiscal conservative myself.

"It simply abolishes the 16th amendment and states affirmatively that congress shall have no power to tax the personal incomes of individual persons".

Congress would shit if that happened.   :lol


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« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2009, 11:13:50 AM »
I agree about the progressives and two party system.  Things wouldn't be that different under McCain than they are under Obama.  McCain is proof that a progressive republican is not the way to go.  Republicans forgot (and many still don't understand) that a conservative has to actually be conservative.  I prefer fiscal conservative myself.

"It simply abolishes the 16th amendment and states affirmatively that congress shall have no power to tax the personal incomes of individual persons".

Congress would shit if that happened.   :lol


Even if it did happen, they'd just raise taxes on goods instead to make up the difference.
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« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2009, 11:14:17 AM »
What conservative need is someone who has an honest track record with being extremely fiscal conservative and someone who actually know what limited government means.

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« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2009, 11:21:41 AM »
What conservative need is someone who has an honest track record with being extremely fiscal conservative and someone who actually know what limited government means.

Yeah we had someone like that, but nobody voted for him. :'(
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« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2009, 11:22:05 AM »
This pretty much sums up you guys problems:

http://newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=31294c4a-eee6-40b4-8571-21649eab8015

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Let me add here a personal editorial comment. A large part of the secret of President Obama's political success is his self-presentation as calm, judicious, and fair-minded - and his ability to depict his opponents as intemperate and extreme. You'd think by now that Obama's opponents would have figured out this trick. You want to beat him? Great. Be more calm, more judicious, and more fair-minded. Don't be provoked. Don't throw wild allegations. Don't boycott. Don't lose your temper.

Instead, we get Anger Theater. It's not smart. And it's not working.

Personally, I find David Frum to be just another tool in the shed, but you guys should probably start listening to him if you want to be relevant in the coming decades.

Also- sd, nothing bad could come from a balanced budget amendment!  Why, look at how our responsible states are faring these days!
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« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2009, 11:28:43 AM »
This pretty much sums up you guys problems:

http://newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=31294c4a-eee6-40b4-8571-21649eab8015

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Let me add here a personal editorial comment. A large part of the secret of President Obama's political success is his self-presentation as calm, judicious, and fair-minded - and his ability to depict his opponents as intemperate and extreme. You'd think by now that Obama's opponents would have figured out this trick. You want to beat him? Great. Be more calm, more judicious, and more fair-minded. Don't be provoked. Don't throw wild allegations. Don't boycott. Don't lose your temper.

Instead, we get Anger Theater. It's not smart. And it's not working.

Personally, I find David Frum to be just another tool in the shed, but you guys should probably start listening to him if you want to be relevant in the coming decades.

Also- sd, nothing bad could come from a balanced budget amendment!  Why, look at how our responsible states are faring these days!

If Republicans are so irrelevant then why so much trolling and anger? I'd think you guys would just ignore it.  ::)
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« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2009, 11:31:18 AM »
Dude didn't you hear?  They lost an election so they are irrelevant.  Democrats have never lost an election before. :)
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« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2009, 11:35:47 AM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.
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« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2009, 11:45:12 AM »
If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

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« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2009, 11:45:39 AM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.
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« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2009, 11:48:40 AM »
I think Dennis Miller said it best.  The republicans need to back off, let the dems pass all this big spending progressive shit, but keep their fingers off of it.   Then if it fails and some of it will fail (nothing is fail proof), they have something to use and work with.  Of course this is like flipping a coin.  If the good outweighs the bad then the dems win.
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« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2009, 11:51:40 AM »
I think Dennis Miller said it best.  The republicans need to back off, let the dems pass all this big spending progressive shit, but keep their fingers off of it.   Then if it fails and some of it will fail (nothing is fail proof), they have something to use and work with.  Of course this is like flipping a coin.  If the good outweighs the bad then the dems win.

Poor Dennis Miller. When Hollywood found out his conservative leanings, he lost alot of gigs/roles.
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« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2009, 12:15:04 PM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.

Yea, the same right-wing echo chamber that still supported Bush to the very end.

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« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2009, 12:24:32 PM »
I think Dennis Miller said it best.  The republicans need to back off, let the dems pass all this big spending progressive shit, but keep their fingers off of it.   Then if it fails and some of it will fail (nothing is fail proof), they have something to use and work with.  Of course this is like flipping a coin.  If the good outweighs the bad then the dems win.

Poor Dennis Miller. When Hollywood found out his conservative leanings, he lost alot of gigs/roles.
He never had any in the first place. He was irrelevant after he left SNL long before his 9/11 fueled conversion.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2009, 12:25:24 PM »
Yeah, I guess at most five million people watch Glenn Beck on a regular basis.  More than 60 million voted for Obama, so good luck with that.
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« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2009, 12:30:36 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2009, 02:43:39 PM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.

Yea, the same right-wing echo chamber that still supported Bush to the very end.

If you think Glenn Beck is a Bush guy, you're either ill informed or not very bright.  I clearly remember Beck bashing Bush on his radio show on a number of issues ranging from spending to immigration, months before the election.  I highly doubt the 30% that supported Bush all tune in to hear Beck bash their guy.  I think it's far more accurate to say Hannity was and still is a Bush guy.
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« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2009, 02:49:10 PM »
Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

Wazzat?

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« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2009, 02:53:00 PM »
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If that were enacted, it would starve the federal government back into the original footprint that the founders intended for it

it would starve more than the federal government lol. good luck with that
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« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2009, 02:55:36 PM »
Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

Wazzat?

I think he's talking about Reagan over Carter, but I believe the state count was 44-6.
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« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2009, 02:55:56 PM »
Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

Wazzat?

I know you know this Mandark. :)

49 states to 1 state? 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984

Just saying, at one time democrats were really out of favor, yet managed to rebuild and make themselves relevant again.

Edit: Just seen Fear's response as well.

Nah, thats states carried that I used. The electoral votes total would obviously be different.
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« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2009, 02:58:25 PM »
Dunno if I'd call that a comeback. Shitty contender vs popular, historic sitting president more like
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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2009, 03:00:20 PM »
Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

Wazzat?

I know you know this Mandark. :)

49 states to 1 state? 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984

Just saying, at one time democrats were really out of favor, yet managed to rebuild and make themselves relevant again.

Edit: Just seen Fear's response as well.

Nah, thats states carried that I used. The electoral votes total would obviously be different.

Oh yeah 84, how could I forget that one?  We almost threw a perfect game.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2009, 03:06:08 PM »
Dunno if I'd call that a comeback. Shitty contender vs popular, historic sitting president more like

well to be fair, the election before was 44-6  in conservative favor as well.
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« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2009, 03:06:32 PM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.

Yea, the same right-wing echo chamber that still supported Bush to the very end.

SMH
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2009, 03:06:39 PM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.

Yea, the same right-wing echo chamber that still supported Bush to the very end.

If you think Glenn Beck is a Bush guy, you're either ill informed or not very bright.  I clearly remember Beck bashing Bush on his radio show on a number of issues ranging from spending to immigration, months before the election.  I highly doubt the 30% that supported Bush all tune in to hear Beck bash their guy.  I think it's far more accurate to say Hannity was and still is a Bush guy.

If you think I said Glenn Beck is a Bush guy, then you're an idiot who can't read. We are discussing his audience, not the man himself.

I have watched Beck, he throws out Bush bashing so he can appear to be A FREE THINKER WOOOO. If you think Beck is being watched by anyone but that 20% of the country that still self-identifies as Republican or the 24% who still think Bush did a good job, then I don't know what to tell you.

Even the Republican party itself throws Bush under the bus routinely if you pick and choose their quotes, but they aren't interested in changing the bulk of his policies.

Back to what I originally said, if you people are going to keep pushing Glenn Beck as the voice of the new conservatism you are never going to reach beyond that 20-25% fringe. Stop quoting him, stop holding up his words as insightful. He scares the 70% of the country that got Reagan elected. Stop fearing moderate Republicans and former Reagan Democrats.
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« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2009, 03:14:58 PM »
Oh, Reagan's blowout.  You could have used Nixon's in 72, for that matter.

Thing is, Reagan was riding the crest of a national realignment in the wake of civil rights backlash.  Things trended towards the GOP (and took longer in Congress thanks to institutional factors) for decades.

Now they're trending the other way.  The GOP has a hard time reaching out to black, latino, female, professional, and college-educated voters.  Where's your comeback going to come from?

Seriously, guys.  Gimme a platform that 1) is recognizably conservative, 2) has a natural constituency, and 3) could carry the GOP back into power.

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« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2009, 03:26:49 PM »
I am nothing if not a sore winner.

But yes, standing astride history during the worst economic crisis in decades and yelling "porkulus" shows a true desire to be relevant.

Another great anecdote- Obama had the Republican leadership over the other day talking about Health Care.  He said he knew that they'd been wanting to cap malpractice awards and he was prepared to do so as a step in their direction.  Then he asked where they'd be willing to take a step in his direction.  They couldn't find a single, solitary, even small concession they were willing to make.

And that's why you're irrelevant.  You don't even want to get in the game, you just want to scream no over and over again.  Have fun.

Not so fast my friend! Don't think that because conservatives aren't the majority now that they can't come back to power.  After all, it seems you guys have managed to comeback pretty well since that 49-1 election.

If you guys are serious about developing a new conservative movement that can capture the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, you should probably stop quoting Glen Beck.

Yet his ratings are so high and he has so many viewers of his show? Seems like someone wants to hear/see what he has to say.

Yea, the same right-wing echo chamber that still supported Bush to the very end.

If you think Glenn Beck is a Bush guy, you're either ill informed or not very bright.  I clearly remember Beck bashing Bush on his radio show on a number of issues ranging from spending to immigration, months before the election.  I highly doubt the 30% that supported Bush all tune in to hear Beck bash their guy.  I think it's far more accurate to say Hannity was and still is a Bush guy.

If you think I said Glenn Beck is a Bush guy, then you're an idiot who can't read. We are discussing his audience, not the man himself.

I have watched Beck, he throws out Bush bashing so he can appear to be A FREE THINKER WOOOO. If you think Beck is being watched by anyone but that the 20% of the country that still self-identifies as Republican or the 24% who still think Bush did a good job, then I don't know what to tell you.

 :lol

Why so mad?

I just don't follow your logic. Do you have evidence to support your claim other than the conspiracy OMG so he can appear to be A FREE THINKER WOOOO!!!  The last clip I saw of Beck's viewers (guests who claimed to be viewers) had a crowd that appeared to be far more Libertarian than Neocon.

They were probably all pretending though. ;)

You don't think it's far more likely that Hannity, an open Neocon, would attract far more Neocon viewers?


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« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2009, 03:28:24 PM »
You missed the point. I'd imagine there are some regular people in his audience, given the size, but ultimately it's a bunch of far right loons regardless of whether they're far right libs or far fight neocons. And they turn the majority of the country off
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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2009, 03:29:28 PM »
Is this or is this not a topic about how to restore conservatism as a leading mentality in this country? The first sentence of the OP says that it is.

If you want to regain national relevance then you are going to have to stop promoting people like Beck who freak out moderates and democrats. Reagan didn't win by appealing purely to batshit crazy right wing assholes, he won a whole spectrum of people in this country. Most of that spectrum thinks Beck is a turgid creep.

Yes I'm sure Hannity has more neocon viewers. What demographic turns to Fox News in the first place? The kind of people who have propelled Obama to a 65-70% approval rating? The very people that need to be flipped back to the right if the Republicans are ever going to win a national election again?

Glenn Beck is an obstacle to the restoration of the Republican party, not a component of it.



edit - also, is it really a conspiracy theory to say that people who are trying to be influential among Republicans are trying to distance themselves from Bush? the man is toxic waste politically, even wing nuts can see that.
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« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2009, 03:39:57 PM »
You guys big problem seems to be that you're "clinging" (lol) to an ideology that no longer has answers for the big questions troubling a majority of Americans.

How does healthcare reform happen with less regulation and more tax cuts?
How does crying about ending tax havens endear you to an electorate that just got savagely burned by the masters of the universe?
How does holding a far right position on abortion endear you to the majority of the country that favors choice in the first trimester?
How does wanting to build a fence across the border and kick out all the illegals endear you to latinos?
How does any of that and denying that global climate change is happening/is contributed to by man's actions endear you to the young?
How do you not appear like hypocrites after saying that the Clinton impeachment was about the rule of law but that there should be no investigation into torture?

But by all means, continue to scream "porkulus" and rant about socialism, fascism or whatever.  Continue to listen to and elevate those who take that route.  I'm sure that's gonna do it for you.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2009, 03:49:20 PM »
Seriously, guys.  Gimme a platform that 1) is recognizably conservative, 2) has a natural constituency, and 3) could carry the GOP back into power.


Ron Paul

But in all seriousness, things are going to get worse for the GOP before they get better. There will be a multi-pronged battle for control which will decimate the party for the next few years most likely.  After that, what I want to come forth in the carnage would have these qualities:

1. More fiscally conservative.

I don't like the big spending by Democrats or what Bush did.  We spend way too much on things now and alot of the "help the needy" programs are riddled with fraud and corruption. (sounds like any politician eh?) Cutting back on needless spending (yes, including the military) would be nice. I'd like to hope that as a majority, Americans see the benefits in spending less than what you bring in in the long run.

2. More moderate on social issues.

Yes, While I myself am against Abortion (we have had that discussion before), a shift to the center on some social things would not be something I'd be against, such as gay marriage.

I'd like to think that with these ideas the GOP could grow back into a prominent political party that, while still conservative on the things that it truly needs to be conservative on, is also more moderate and tolerant socially.  
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« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2009, 03:56:02 PM »
Yeah, you've got nothing.

On the first point, fraud and corruption are a tiny fraction of spending.  If you want to make significant cuts you have to target big, popular programs like Social Security and Medicare.  Good luck selling that to an aging population.

On the second point, who's your base?  You get rid of the people who are outraged by homos, immigrants, feminists, and Muslims, and what does that leave you?  You'd be conceding half your current seats to a new third party, at the least.

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« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2009, 04:14:41 PM »
At least it's a post I can agree with, even though it's impossible for the current Repubs to pick it up.


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« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2009, 04:36:00 PM »
Yeah, you've got nothing.

On the first point, fraud and corruption are a tiny fraction of spending.  If you want to make significant cuts you have to target big, popular programs like Social Security and Medicare.  Good luck selling that to an aging population.

Or cut into unnecessary military spending, which itself is a big amount. I didnt say do it all at once. Got to make a start. Small steps.

On the second point, who's your base?  You get rid of the people who are outraged by homos, immigrants, feminists, and Muslims, and what does that leave you?  You'd be conceding half your current seats to a new third party, at the least.

I'd like to hope that becoming more socially moderate would allow the GOP to become more popular with current groups that are disinterested in the GOP.

But since this will likely not happen anyways its all moot.


Edit: Besides, its not like we'll see Social Security when we are old. It'll likely be gone by then.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2009, 04:45:17 PM »
Edit: Besides, its not like we'll see Social Security when we are old. It'll likely be gone by then.


See, the road back to power isn't paved with lies and innumeracy.  No matter how you got there the last time.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #98 on: May 07, 2009, 05:11:33 PM »
So, we all know what we need to do. Everyone go fuck like rabbits and make a ton of babies that will be working age when we retire to support us.   ;)
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #99 on: May 07, 2009, 05:46:40 PM »
So, we all know what we need to do. Everyone go fuck like rabbits and make a ton of babies that will be working age when we retire to support us.   ;)

Or create an EB army with which to conquer the world.  :-*
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #100 on: May 07, 2009, 05:51:06 PM »
So, we all know what we need to do. Everyone go fuck like rabbits and make a ton of babies that will be working age when we retire to support us.   ;)

Or create an EB army with which to conquer the world.  :-*

As long as you are our leader
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #101 on: May 07, 2009, 06:14:15 PM »
You wanna show the math on how SS is unsustainable, or at least explain what an alternate pensions policy would look like?

Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #102 on: May 07, 2009, 07:27:47 PM »
You wanna show the math on how SS is unsustainable, or at least explain what an alternate pensions policy would look like?

I believe he may be referring to this.



The US Treasury chief brought this up back in 2008.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2009, 07:36:48 PM »
Who cares.

The GOP has the solutions in front of them but they'd rather idolize Glenn Beck.  The party is totally bankrupt of leadership.  There's no Reagans or hell, even Nixons to motivate the base.  All you have is shock jock political DJs running the show, giving enough ammo for the Democrats in the first three months for the 2010 and 2012 elections.  You got purges of moderate-right elements in the party, keeping the nuts like Michele Bachmann.

All they can say these days is shout out "porkulus" and shit their pants over Guantanamo Bay closing.  At this rate, they must be aiming to just isolate themselves to only the deep red states.  With people like Rush Limbaugh at the helm of the party, total irrelevance awaits them.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2009, 10:41:56 AM »
You wanna show the math on how SS is unsustainable, or at least explain what an alternate pensions policy would look like?


http://www.ssa.gov/qa.htm

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Social Security's financing problems are long term and will not affect today's retirees and near-retirees for many years, but they are very large and serious. People are living longer, the first baby boomers are nearing retirement, and the birth rate is lower than in the past. The result is that the worker-to-beneficiary ratio has fallen from 16.5-to-1 in 1950 to 3.3-to-1 today. Within 40 years it will be 2-to-1. At this ratio there will not be enough workers to pay scheduled benefits at current tax rates.


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Social Security is not sustainable  at currently scheduled levels over the long term with current tax rates without large infusions of additional revenue. There will be a growing shortfall once the trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2041.


Just saying, if they don't make changes, you or I might not see much or anything from SS.  SS was never meant to be the only thing people used to retire on anyway.
 
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2009, 07:37:12 PM »
Here's the picture Shogun was trying to post:





Note that the green part is SS.  Note, further, how it stops growing in 2030 and never goes north of ~6% of GDP.  The bars look scary in the aggregate*, but who would look at this chart and say "the green part, that's your problem?"  Nobody in the sighted community.

In the context of the federal budget, SS is not a killer.  Medicare is.  That is not because it's a bloated government program, but because the growth in medical costs will dwarf everything else over the next several decades.

Lemme say that again, slowly in bold:  the growth in medical costs will dwarf everything else over the next several decades.

This is important, cause 99% of people who fret over the deficit talk big about waste, earmarks, porkulus, SS, etc.  But that's chickenfeed.  Medical spending is the only game in town.  Real talk.

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Social Security is not sustainable  at currently scheduled levels over the long term with current tax rates without large infusions of additional revenue. There will be a growing shortfall once the trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2041.
Just saying, if they don't make changes, you or I might not see much or anything from SS.  SS was never meant to be the only thing people used to retire on anyway.

I saw the math back when Dubya was pushing private stock accounts back in '05 (what a shame that didn't pan out) and without any change in taxes, SS benefits would be cut back by 20-25%.  Which means SS could still pay out 75-80% of the current benefit schedule, which somehow becomes "ZOMG bankrupt won't see a penny" in the translation from numbers to talking points.

In any case, if you want to keep the current payout schedule, all it takes is either uncapping FICA (the only flat tax proposal right-wingers ever oppose) or some combination of greater wage equality and more immigration.



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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2009, 11:47:04 AM »
I was going to bump this to see why the conservative trio was spamming topics lately, but now I know why this was abandoned.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2009, 11:53:10 AM »
I was going to bump this to see why the conservative trio was spamming topics lately, but now I know why this was abandoned.

so what do you want to talk about? This thread was abandoned because liberals shat it up. Simple as that. But if you feel you have something to discuss then please feel free to do so instead of just being a typical smug liberal pansy-ass bitch like Triumph.

But to respond to your post.

Wow, Beardo posts 2 threads in like 4 months, wow.
Shogun something similar.

I post 1-2 politcally related threads, and a few non political, and its spamming now? Hell, if no one posts threads, then this board will die. But I guess you are too stupid to realize that. :smug

Gonna lock this bitch now.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2009, 11:58:08 AM »
unlocked by request.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2009, 12:02:40 PM »
OMG SOCIALISM

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #111 on: June 05, 2009, 12:03:53 PM »
slippery slope, Triumph.  Slippery slope.

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2009, 12:10:48 PM »
Well we could always discuss liberal math.  Let's take these three apples below...



Now let's say I eat all three apples.  We have 0 apples.  Yet somehow the left can produce 3 trillion apples from 0 without any apple trees.  At this rate we'll soon know how to time travel.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2009, 12:12:54 PM »
We took notes from you guys' defense spending.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2009, 12:13:31 PM »
We took notes from you guys' defense spending.
I'll try and take notes from you grammer.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2009, 12:13:58 PM »
Wow, just as I thought. Liberals try to troll/shit up the thread again. And who is it at the helm? Admiral Viscen and Card Cheat. The usual suspects so to speak.


*Reads Shogun's post*

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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #116 on: June 05, 2009, 12:14:24 PM »
Me Talk Pretty One Day.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #117 on: June 05, 2009, 12:15:30 PM »
Wow, just as I thought. Liberals try to troll/shit up the thread again. And who is it at the helm? Admiral Viscen and Card Cheat. The usual suspects so to speak.


*Reads Shogun's post*

 :lol :lol

I know that on lgf, redstate and freeperland you guys aren't used to having someone question your bs much less laugh at it, but that ain't how this place works.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #118 on: June 05, 2009, 12:17:15 PM »
Card Cheat - Fine apprentice of Saul D. Alinsky.
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Re: Official EB Conservative thread
« Reply #119 on: June 05, 2009, 12:21:26 PM »
Card Cheat - Fine apprentice of Saul D. Alinsky.

So is our President.  And yes, he's your President, too.  Don't like it?  Move to someplace more in line with your ideology.  May I suggest Somalia?

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