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Mandark

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Bill or no bill, that doesn't mean people can't predict what it will cost just because you don't like the numbers.  We predict hurricanes every year before hurricane season.  Sometimes those predictions are right, sometimes their wrong, sometimes their close, and sometimes they are very far off.  Still the predictions are made.  You assume Obama will get what he wants, but I think his Gitmo problems proves we don't always get what we want.

Hurricanes are predicted by professionals who are fairly open about the models they use to get their results.

If someone hired by an association of beachfront property owners in the Gulf told you, without any explanation or evidence, that hurricanes were going to decline severely, how quick would you be to believe him?

Honestly, is there any reason to believe Feehery, other than wanting to believe him?


As for Obama not getting what he wants, what's your point?  The main obstacles will be centrist Democrats like Baucus, Nelson, Bayh, etc.  Their agenda would be to water down the plan, omitting a public option and protecting the status quo.  That's going to drive expenditures down, if anything.

So why would you think the price tag would wind up higher because of opposition in Congress?  Again, any reason to believe it other than wanting to?

Do you have any evidence that it won't be expensive other than Obama's campaign promises slogans?  Again any numbers?  I would assume Obama knows what he himself wants and that his admin (congress even) would have their own estimates if they are planning on offering HC.  He doesn't have to have the bill written.  If the government is going to offer HC then we know they're going to need doctors, dentists, surgeons, nurses, just to name a few things.  (I can't imagine a doctor wanting to quit the private sector and take a pay cut to work for the government.)  These PROFESSIONALS in the government should be able and want to provide estimates as to what it will cost our country.   No wait that would be fiscally responsible.  I'm glad they don't yet have a bill because democrats don't read their bills anyway.

Just because we discuss something Feehery wrote doesn't mean we believe him.  It is his opinion.  I'm asking what the democrats think the price point will be based on the quality level HC they are talking about offering.
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Rasmussen reports voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on economic issues.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues

Obamanomics DOA?
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Ganhyun

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Rasmussen reports voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on economic issues.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues

Obamanomics DOA?

Interesting read.

But, obviously this report is an outright lie. After all, 4 surveys of 1000 people isnt an accurate sampling of America.

See what I did there? :teehee

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http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/26393/

I know, I know, its Glenn Beck and you Liberals here absolutely loathe him, but this article is a good read. Its an interview with a British Politician who gives his assessment on a few things.

I'd suggest reading it and taking it to heart. After all, we don't want to end up with teeth like the British.
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kinda sad that on the anniversary of d-day the british elected a bunch of fascists
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Interesting poll numbers of likely voters. I'll wait for a few more polls to see whether this is an outlier or the real deal. I seriously doubt most Americans prefer the republican view on Iraq
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Ganhyun

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kinda sad that on the anniversary of d-day the british elected a bunch of fascists

Well, considering that it seems (and you guys have stated this before too) that the right in England is the equivalent of Democrats here, one could make the claim based on your post that American Democrats are fascists too ;)

Interesting poll numbers of likely voters. I'll wait for a few more polls to see whether this is an outlier or the real deal. I seriously doubt most Americans prefer the republican view on Iraq

Well, maybe some of them think that hey, that surge worked, or hey, why hasnt Obama pulled the troops out like he said he would.

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Democrats are pretty freaking right-wing these days, yeah.
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Can't wait to hear 538's take on the poll. I'd imagine that eventually people will lose patience in Obama's economic practices and start paying attention to the Outrage Express, but I don't think it's happening right now.
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Mandark

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http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/26393/

I know, I know, its Glenn Beck and you Liberals here absolutely loathe him, but this article is a good read. Its an interview with a British Politician who gives his assessment on a few things.

I'd suggest reading it and taking it to heart. After all, we don't want to end up with teeth like the British.

hey Ganhyun, now that I've got you here, could you explain why right-wing types are disproportionately attracted to capitalizing random words?

Ditto.

Interesting poll numbers of likely voters. I'll wait for a few more polls to see whether this is an outlier or the real deal. I seriously doubt most Americans prefer the republican view on Iraq

It's Rasmussen.


If the government is going to offer HC then we know they're going to need doctors, dentists, surgeons, nurses, just to name a few things.  (I can't imagine a doctor wanting to quit the private sector and take a pay cut to work for the government.)

What recursive said.

Nobody, but nobody in the decisionmaking process is pushing to have the government directly administer health care.  What you're talking about has absolutely nothing to do with reality.  Nada.

It's obvious that you aren't familiar with the issue.

Now you don't have to read up on it if you don't want to.  But don't expect to have your opinion taken seriously.  Don't expect me to answer questions with flawed premises.

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Can't wait to hear 538's take on the poll. I'd imagine that eventually people will lose patience in Obama's economic practices and start paying attention to the Outrage Express, but I don't think it's happening right now.
538 tends to discard Rasmussen, he says they have a republican lean in all their results.

Ganhyun

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hey Ganhyun, now that I've got you here, could you explain why right-wing types are disproportionately attracted to capitalizing random words?

Ditto.




Ok, I have no clue what you two are getting on about. I try to only capitalize what is supposed to be capitalized, such as the first word in a sentence, names of people and place, and titles of tv shows, movies, and books.

As far as how other people post their sentences, I don't know why or care why people post they way they do.

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President Barack Obama on Tuesday proposed budget rules that would allow Congress to borrow tens of billions of dollars and put the nation deeper in debt to jump-start the administration's emerging health care overhaul. The "pay-as-you-go" budget formula plan is significantly weaker than a proposal Obama issued with little fanfare last month.

It would carve out about $2.5 trillion worth of exemptions for Obama's priorities over the next decade. His health care reform plan also would get a green light to run big deficits in its early years. But over a decade, Congress would have to come up with money to cover those early year deficits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_budget

Fucking insanity.

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PAYGO's practically a dead letter law and has been for years.  Why the outrage now?

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So I was able to find a better estimate on Obama's health care plan.  65 billion a year which will be an ongoing expense.  Now what I've been unable to find, are the facts that this estimate is based upon.  And when comparing that number to costs of medicare and medicaid based on the number of people they cover, that estimate (65 billion) seems extremely low.
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When the best argument against Obama's healthcare plan by people who've even taken the time to know what it's doing (i.e. NOT YOU) just so they know what disingenuous arguments to attempt is that it's gonna be so efficient that it might put incredibly shitty insurance providers out of business...that means you STFU, 'kay?
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That 65 billion estimate was from the Obama campaign during the election.  But they didn't reveal the facts their research was based upon to come up with that number.  Have they till this day?  I didn't see anything detailing research on Obama's site. Do you have a better estimate? Do you have a link with the research that was done to come up with that estimate?  Cool then post it.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/wright-suggests-jews-white-house-wont-let-speak-obama/

You know, I thought this guy's 15 minutes would be up by now, but I guess not.


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Mandark

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I'm almost impressed by how undeterred you are by your own ignorance.  Almost.

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Speaking of hating Jews, an 88-year-old white supremacist shot 2 people at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC.

And guess what! He was a Free Republic member who asked about the birth certificate. Freep quickly removed his thread and is now calling him a Democrat.

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freep is a scary place. the guy who killed that abortion doctor posted there as well.

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:rofl @ the UHC exchange between Mandark and Shogun. Mandark has the patience of a saint.

double :rofl at the government having to hire a bunch of dentists and shit

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Speaking of hating Jews, an 88-year-old white supremacist shot 2 people at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC.

And guess what! He was a Free Republic member who asked about the birth certificate. Freep quickly removed his thread and is now calling him a Democrat.

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This is a good time to ask a question of EB's conservatives - are you still mad about the justice department warning of increased activity among militant right wing groups? Seems there are a lot of shootings going on lately.

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In 1981, this 88 year old also walked into the Federal Reserve with a shotgun and tried to do a "citizen's arrest" (kidnap) the Federal Reserve Board to protest the high interest rates.

Even considering that he got 11 years in prison and is nearly 90, the FBI or police probably should have done regular check-ups on him in person.  At least make sure that he can't get another gun.

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In 1981, this 88 year old also walked into the Federal Reserve with a shotgun and tried to do a "citizen's arrest" (kidnap) the Federal Reserve Board to protest the high interest rates.

Even considering that he got 11 years in prison and is nearly 90, the FBI or police probably should have done regular check-ups on him in person.  At least make sure that he can't get another gun.

But that would be political oppression. What's next, the Dep't of Thought Police :smug

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And guess what! He was a Free Republic member who asked about the birth certificate. Freep quickly removed his thread and is now calling him a Democrat.

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er it looks to me like someone else ("wannabegeek") just copy/pasted his rant from another site into FR.
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So hopefully everyone realizes why the Bush administration had HS do that report on violent right wing extremism
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brawndolicious

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Obama's presidency probably sparked a lot of this "right-wing" type of violence.  I think that it'll be a couple years before it really peaks.


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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/10/740957/-Foxs-Beck-blames-holocaust-shooting-on-left-wing-Socialists



It's only been about 6 months into the Obama administration and the right is already reaching critical insanity levels.  Kinda dangerous.  I can't even imagine how fucked in the head they're going to be a year from now.
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