loul NPDz

[maxy]

The answer is bundles,especially in Europe...

For some reason Europe is Sony bundle land,PS3,PSP,PS2 included.

As for GT5,i would move hardware in EU if prologue wasn't released

[dammitmattt]

Because in the end, a Playstation console is more popular than a MS console.

Both consoles are selling at the same pace worldwide. One being $199, the other being $399.

Why is that?

The average selling price of a 360 is nearly $300.  And this is an NPD thread, not a worldwide sales thread.

[cool breeze]

ok, I don't really follow sales so I may be wrong, but isn't Sony still selling the PS3 at a loss or making minimal profit?

whatever the case, nothing ever really changes.  Nintendo stuff sells a lot, everyone else doesn't.  Sony loses faster than Microsoft.  When sales eventually slow down for Nintendo, they will release another overpriced piece of hardware and dominate then.

[Smooth Groove]

But as long as they stay away from Proprietary Dream Engines and Extra HD physical media

Yes, Sony always has way too much proprietary tech in their consoles. If you are familiar with economics, they have a high asset specificity in comparison to MS when it comes to Williamson's model

Sony's love of proprietary tech doesn't even make sense.  Neither the PS2 nor the PS3 outperformed off the shelf PC hardware. 

It's like Sony spent a whole bunch of money just to make programmers' lives more difficult. 

[maxy]

Aparently they are losing aprox 40$ per PS3

This is something I failed to notice in my couple of reports on Sony's earnings report yesterday. ITmedia, covering Sony's Tokyo earnings briefing from yesterday, has a quote from CFO Nobuyuki Oneda stating that the PS3's cost to Sony is still about 10% higher than the system's price. This is current as of the end of March.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/05/15/sony_ps3_profitability/

No surprise there,system price dropped 200$ within first year,that is huge...
If it was up to them PS3 would still cost 600$,but real world thought otherwise.

 

[archie4208]

In other words, a price drop isn't likely for the short term, but possibly something by fall.

[MCD]

zzz

[Smooth Groove]

Those software numbers for Europe can't be real.  Look at the hardware numbers for Europe in that link at Gaf.

Sony sells less hardware in all of Europe every month than they do in the US.  They can't be selling that much software if they aren't even selling that much hardware.

It's really funny how Sony has been using magical numbers from Europe to proselytize to its fans this gen.  How the mighty has fallen!

[duckman2000]

Sony failing feels almost natural. Two generations at the top, it was bound to come down. Microsoft has got to be fucking salty about Wii, though. This was supposed to be the Xbox generation, and Microsoft sacrificed a lot while gunning squarely for a company and brand that practically committed suicide anyway. Between the massive blunder that was the PS3 launch and first year and the RROD fiasco, it seems unfair to give Nintendo all the credit for its own success.

[Smooth Groove]

MS could do nothing about Wii's success but they shot themselves in the foot with the RROD fiasco.  They could have been the second profitable company this gen. 

[cool breeze]

uh, all credit should go to Nintendo.  Nintendo managed to capture lowest common denominator, something that the 360, PS3 or whatever other game system would not have done.  The 360 has done a great job already capturing the crowd that actually plays video games, the same people who bought the PS2 or whatever last gen.  Nintendo got old people and other groups that generally who don't play video games.  The people who actually played video games last gen have moved on to the 360, PS3 or whatever.  People who only play games on the Wii are the aforementioned groups of non-gamers or the people who want Nintendo to ream their asshole.

[AdmiralViscen]

You underestimate how many people went from PS2 to Wii. There were a shitton of PS2 owners who used to get by on the latest Spongebob game and maybe some Ratchet, but don't bother with PS360.

[Sho Nuff]

The people who make games should just listen to my next-door neighbor, who says:

"Why doesn't someone just make a system that plays all the games"

WHY INDEED

[The Fake Shemp]

Universal game console is like single-payer health care... it'll never happen!

[dark1x]

The Konami number for MGS4 is so bs.

If Konami is HAPPY with the numbers, however, there is no problem (regardless of what they may really be).

[duckman2000]

The people who actually played video games last gen have moved on to the 360, PS3 or whatever.  People who only play games on the Wii are the aforementioned groups of non-gamers or the people who want Nintendo to ream their asshole.

I don't know about that. I know a lot of families who owned PS2s and Gamecubes last generation who are sticking with Wii for this one. It's in part because it's the only game system the wives understand and that the wives can play with their mothers (and of course husbands tolerate it because it keeps the wife happy, and because they think that it might open the door to buying a real system) but there's also the kid appeal which neither of the other two can really compete with. It's a safe system.

[cool breeze]

I was going to mention kids, but as you said, it's bought for them and not a choice they make themselves.

The people who make games should just listen to my next-door neighbor, who says:

"Why doesn't someone just make a system that plays all the games"

WHY INDEED

PC
except the games not on PC and the ones that don't work on Vista
and games on the DS that probably won't work well without the touch screen
and people who only have a mac and only play Blizzard games
but that isn't really a PC
so yeah, PC

 

[duckman2000]

Because it's a corporation out to make some mad money and have a bigger slice of the market without having to compete on the terms set by the competition. It's a bit sad, but hey, at least there is amusement to be had in seeing the poorly hidden agony of belligerent Nintendo fanboys who were desperate to see Nintendo win.

[archie4208]

Why the fuck has Nintedo dropped the ball on their own lineup?

Why bother releasing new games when they can sit on sales of Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart until the end of time?

[dark1x]

Why the fuck has Nintedo dropped the ball on their own lineup?

Why bother releasing new games when they can sit on sales of Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart until the end of time?

That pretty much is their line of thinking, unfortunately.  It makes business sense, of course, but it certainly isn't a good thing for us.

Reggie noted that the "hardcore gamer" can never be satisfied, and that may be true, but they haven't even been trying.  There hasn't been a single first party Nintendo game I've really enjoyed since Mario Galaxy in 2007.  Their 2008 lineup was beyond pathetic.

[archie4208]

Why the fuck has Nintedo dropped the ball on their own lineup?

Why bother releasing new games when they can sit on sales of Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart until the end of time?

I wouldn't even fucking mind the last-gen graphics. I just want a new Zelda game

Well the new DS Zelda game has graphics from 2 generations ago.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think it helps if you stop making unnecessary distinctions.  I have purchased about 8 retail and alot of ware games this year. All enjoyable. Two are first party.  Why is it imperative that Nintendo has to provide a torrent of games when I can get my fix from various providers?

[cool breeze]

The one thing I never understand about game release patterns is when people think there are game release patterns.

[dark1x]

I think it helps if you stop making unnecessary distinctions.  I have purchased about 8 retail and alot of ware games this year. All enjoyable. Two are first party.  Why is it imperative that Nintendo has to provide a torrent of games when I can get my fix from various providers?

Well, simple...

Third party software on the Wii is, by and large, a waste of time.  I would much rather play such games on a more powerful platform and, unless the game is of extremely high quality, I will simply avoid Wii third party releases.  Nintendo, on the other hand, will only release games for the Wii console (obviously) and, as such, I would actually like to see some effort placed into software fans of traditional game titles might enjoy.  Nintendo is capable of making incredible software, but most of their internal development seems to be focused on casual titles (the "Wii--" series) or mediocre sequels to already uninteresting Gamecube titles (Battalion War 2, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Mario sports titles, etc).  Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros are their best efforts thus far.  Considering the machine was released in 2006 and it is now 2009, the lack of high quality Nintendo software is a bit of a drag.

Of course, I'm well aware that you don't feel that way and have different standards, so I wouldn't expect agreement.  That's simply my point of view on the matter.

[maxy]

Top 20




http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23651

Interesting thing is that PS3 and Wii both have 3 games in top 20

[Bocsius]

No Killzone 2, no Halo Wars.

Bomba, considering the franchise (Halo). How many of those people last month put the disc in their 360s and ejected it 13 seconds later after finding out you didn't shoot the gun?

[WrikaWrek]

No Killzone 2, no Halo Wars.

Bomba, considering the franchise (Halo). How many of those people last month put the disc in their 360s and ejected it 13 seconds later after finding out you didn't shoot the gun?

That's original.

[Vizzys]

 the last time i was in a gamestop someone was returning halo wars for that exact reason, didnt know it was an rts

[AdmiralViscen]

Halo Wars was still the #7 or so selling 360 title. KZ2 was #4 for PS3 I think.

[Hollywood]

uh, all credit should go to Nintendo.  Nintendo managed to capture lowest common denominator, something that the 360, PS3 or whatever other game system would not have done.  The 360 has done a great job already capturing the crowd that actually plays video games, the same people who bought the PS2 or whatever last gen.  Nintendo got old people and other groups that generally who don't play video games.  The people who actually played video games last gen have moved on to the 360, PS3 or whatever.  People who only play games on the Wii are the aforementioned groups of non-gamers or the people who want Nintendo to ream their asshole.

You're not really giving Nintendo credit there. I actually doubt the old people demographic matters all that much in this case, even if they make it seem like it does. They capitalized on image and marketing more than ANYTHING else, something 360 or PS3 didn't do. They're selling to the same people who buy iPods and Macs, even though they're really less functional and more expensive than their counterparts, but they have brand value. Nintendo created brand value, Microsoft and Sony didn't.

[duckman2000]

They're selling to the same people who buy iPods and Macs

Bullshit. Looking at sales one could possibly make the argument that they are selling to everyone, but really, the brunt of the customer base here is the same type that buys a Dell at Best Buy because it comes bundled with a "good enough" monitor and printer. I'd imagine Oprah has helped quite a bit, too.

[Hollywood]

They're selling to the same people who buy iPods and Macs

Bullshit. Looking at sales one could possibly make the argument that they are selling to everyone, but really, the brunt of the customer base here is the same type that buys a Dell at Best Buy because it comes bundled with a "good enough" monitor and printer. I'd imagine Oprah has helped quite a bit, too.

Those people are the ones still buying PS2's dude (which sold more than Ps3 funny enough.) Although I'm sure some of the Wii sales come from that, the fact is that the image of the product is pretty much more important than the content itself. If every single thing else was the same, motion control, Wii Fit, all that and Nintendo instead made a hulking black electronic looking console that looked like a Blu Ray players, they would be dead to rights now. Image is everything. They took advantage of doing what Apple did to the MP3 player market and brought it to the videogame market, and created an image and brand value.

[duckman2000]

I'm not disputing that image is important or that marketing has been very cleverly designed, I'm disputing the claim that they are selling to the Mac crowd. Ntards are in the company of soccer moms and whipped husbands for this round.

[Hollywood]

I'm not disputing that image is important or that marketing has been very cleverly designed, I'm disputing the claim that they are selling to the Apple crowd. Ntards are in the company of soccer moms and whipped husbands for this round.

What do you define the Apple crowd as? I define them as a group of people who care more about the image or marketing performance than necessarily functionality. Wanting the different looking product or buying into innovation marketing. I won't dispute the type of people they're selling to includes what you say, but I sincerly doubt thats a huge chunk of their sales.

[pilonv1]

I'm not disputing that image is important or that marketing has been very cleverly designed, I'm disputing the claim that they are selling to the Mac crowd. Ntards are in the company of soccer moms and whipped husbands for this round.

Exactly, they're selling to the old PS2 crowd

[ToxicAdam]

Just remember, the last time we had a recession this deep was back in 1982-83. How did videogames do that year?

[archie4208]

Just remember, the last time we had a recession this deep was back in 1982-83. How did videogames do that year?

I'm guessing not good.  I wasn't alive for most of that time.   

[treythemovie]

Just remember, the last time we had a recession this deep was back in 1982-83. How did videogames do that year?

I'm guessing not good.  I wasn't alive for most of that time.   

That was the beginning of the "great video game crash"