Terminator 4 Salvation: Who's gonna watch it?

[chronovore]

Well it has a CGI arnold cameo. thats something I guess

Is it confirmed CG, and not make-up?

[Cheebs]

Well it has a CGI arnold cameo. thats something I guess

Is it confirmed CG, and not make-up?

It's some big muscle dude with a cgi arnold head put on him. It's like only a one scene cameo from what I understand.

[Bloodwake]

Well it has a CGI arnold cameo. thats something I guess

Is it confirmed CG, and not make-up?

It's some big muscle dude with a cgi arnold head put on him. It's like only a one scene cameo from what I understand.

Evidently he has impersonated Arnold before in other films.

I may see this tonight if I'm not drunk at the bar.

[bork]

Seeing it tomorrow night!

Still haven't seen Star Trek yet.  Actually all I've seen so far is X-Men Origins Wolverine, so my summer movie popcorn flick expectations bar is set pretty damn low right now.   

[Homemade Milk]

it'd feel bad if it sucks, havent seen a bad movie from christian bale yet

[drew]

It'll rock like T3 rocked. Only less so.

being that the t4 trailer was better than the entirety of t3 i find that hard to believe

[Solo]

it'd feel bad if it sucks, havent seen a bad movie from christian bale yet

Someone hasnt seen Shaft, Reign of Fire, Harsh Times, Equilibrium, or The Dark Knight.

[Solo]

Yes, someone does.

[EvilBoris]

 damn bale is getting creamed by the press for his work here. 

[WrikaWrek]

The Dark Knight.

From the dude who loved Star Trek and Quantum of Solace. blahahaha

[Tucah]

I'm seeing this in a few hours, and despite all the terrible reviews, still looking forward to it quite a bit. All I want is a fun action movie, I don't care about the complaints of shitty acting and story, I never expected this movie to be good in those areas.

[Solo]

The Dark Knight.

From the dude who loved Star Trek and Quantum of Solace. blahahaha

From the dude who loves Transformers and T4. bhaahahah

Easy, isnt it?

Also, my TDK comment was to get a rise out of Batfags. Congrats, you have been risen!

[Great Rumbler]

I'm going to see T4 either today or tomorrow and on Saturday I'll going to watch Star Trek at the IMAX.

[BlueTsunami]

Eh, I guess I'm going just to see Bryce Dallas Howards cute pixie face

[Cyanista]

it'd feel bad if it sucks, havent seen a bad movie from christian bale yet

Someone hasnt seen Shaft, Reign of Fire, Harsh Times, Equilibrium, or The Dark Knight.

You so need to calm down.  Shaft sucked, I enjoyed Reign of Fire, I liked Equilibrium (granted I might have been partial to the eye candy), and TDK is highly lauded. 

Since Christian Bale became the kind of actor that can turn down roles, I've not seen him in a bad one. (except maybe Harsh Times, I haven't seen that yet and I think it's fairly recent)

[Solo]

Didnt realize I was worked up!

[Bloodwake]

Solo just owned this entire forum.

Seriously though, did you really like Quantum of Solace more than the Dark Knight?

[Cyanista]

Oh.  I'm sure someone here can work you up, if you really weren't.  My mistake! 


Reign of Fire of Equilibrium were both movies I can see looking good in concept/script, is the thing.  You can't fault an actor for poor direction or production, no more than you can fault a producer for having, say, Colin Whatshisface play Alexander the Great completely drunk all the time.   

ps MCG directing put my expectations of this film down around Charlie's Angel's level. I'll still watch it, because I'm a die hard fan of the series and I want to lick good old Christian Bale. 

p.p.s.  Shaft was HORRIBLE.  It failed on every level imaginable, including the utter lack of exploitation of anything other than Vanessa Williams' Bad Boob Job AND Christian Bale's completely unbelievable Bad Guy Face.  I mean, what was he, 22?  I wanted to put everyone involved on a time-out.

[Saint Cornelius]

...no more than you can fault a producer for having, say, Colin Whatshisface play Alexander the Great completely drunk all the time.   

Colin Quinn? Worst Weekend Report anchor ever.

[Phoenix Dark]

The Dark Knight.

From the dude who loved Star Trek and Quantum of Solace. blahahaha

From the dude who loves Transformers and T4. bhaahahah

Easy, isnt it?

Also, my TDK comment was to get a rise out of Batfags. Congrats, you have been risen!

Anything that gets a rise ouf of Batfags is ok in my book. Sweet movie, shit fans

[Tucah]

Saw T4 today. It was okay - cool action scenes, shitty story, shitty acting by everyone who wasn't Sam Worthington or the kid from Star Trek. A few lol worthy references to the previous movies and everyone laughed when

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CG Arnold appeared

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[Solo]

Solo just owned this entire forum.

Seriously though, did you really like Quantum of Solace more than the Dark Knight?

No, I dont. I do however like Casino Royale more.

[Bloodwake]

Solo just owned this entire forum.

Seriously though, did you really like Quantum of Solace more than the Dark Knight?

No, I dont. I do however like Casino Royale more.

Okay, good deal. Me too.

Solace wasn't bad but I wish they would have picked like ONE or TWO locations instead of like fifty. The movie was already under two hours and I'm sure audiences struggled with where the fuck Bond was at now syndrome.

[Herr Mafflard]

It'll rock like T3 rocked. Only less so.

from the empire review:

So perhaps the greatest surprise doesn’t come in the form of plot twists but from the fact that the movie is... pretty damn good. Let’s not be foolish — it doesn’t hold a candle to the first two James Cameron films, but it wipes the floor with Terminator 3. As a movie all on its own, not compared to the prior entries, it works very well.

[Mandark]

PS As a society, it's time we had a conversation about whether Christian Bale is the new Keanu Reeves.

See?  I called this!

[Akala]

I think the secret to movies like this is to just go in with zero expectations. I went into T3 expecting nothing, and it was better than I expected it to be...well worth the three bucks I bought the DVD for, anyway.

I'll go into this one the same way. Will probably wait for the bluray though.

[chronovore]

This movie fucking rocked. There was nothing that outright bothered me about it, and the action sequences were fucking awesome.

Also, kudos for not making the T-xxxs CG.

Btw, why the fuck were the T-600s wearing rags?

Modesty: to cover their rusting junk.

[Tauntaun]

I'll be seeing it sometime this weekend.  I'll let you nikkaz know what a real OG thinks about it. 

[demi]

http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/terminatorsalvation.html

Enjoy

[Tauntaun]

Enjoy my nuts.   

[Tauntaun]

if you haven't figured out the spoilers one third of the way into the movie, you re actually a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

You can squirt your ink on me mr. bitchin giant squid.   

[Phoenix Dark]

Does Common bust out any raps or beatboxing in the movie?

[Tauntaun]

Does Common bust out any raps or beatboxing in the movie?

I bet he's the first one to die.  They always be killin the brutha first. 

The Man

[demi]

Just read the entire page. GARBAGE. Money saved

[bork]

Whoever said it feels like a TV movie hit the nail on the head.  I didn't think Salvation was awful, but it was full of plotholes and questionable editing choices.  There's a part in the beginning where a bunch of resistance guys attack a Skynet installation and

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find a bunch of human prisoners inside, plus Marcus's body.  The squad commander tells John Conner to go up above and check on the crew outside.  He does, they're all dead, and after a brief battle above, he gets on the radio and gets a chopper to pick him up, saying there's one survivor.  Then it cuts to Marcus wandering around in the same area later on.  No explanation is given for what the fuck happened to the resistance or the human prisoners, or how Marcus got re-animated. WTF?

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Other shit that had me scratching my head:

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-Why did Skynet not know the location of John Conner's (HUGE) resistance headquarters?  ESPECIALLY after it is established that any "abnormal" sounds, like a radio playing, let alone huge fucking explosions all over the place, will bring out Skynet drones/Terminators to the area, (and nevermind the radio signal that they discovered that de-activates robots is actually being used by Skynet to track humans!)  The resistance blows the shit out of their own mine field and wastes tons of ammo trying kill one of their own people and Marcus, and nothing happens.  

-In the same scene, right after the mind field part, John Conner is in a chopper with some other guys investigating a nearby river.  There's little Skynet fish-like robots in there that kill everyone but Conner.  Again, this is right near the resistance base, so why doesn't Skynet know where they are? 

-The "comic book villain" like portrayal of Skynet and its speech to Marcus, revealing all its plans.  So fucking cliche.  It used Marcus to lure John Conner and Kyle Reese to it.  WHY?  It's supposed to be a cold, calculating machine.  It had multiple chances to kill Kyle Reese in particular outright, but did NOT.

-How is that Marcus Wright's cybernetic parts are so much more advanced than the Terminators that were created after him?  Not to mention, if he was so successful for Skynet, why bother with T-800s at all?  Why not make more human/terminator hybrids, since it's much harder to tell if they're "robots" or not?

-How easy it was for John Conner to take out the various Skynet drones alone, and for him to sneak into Skynet by himself with no problems whatsoever.

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This movie is also less about John Conner (who comes off like a real dickhead most of the time, IMO) and more about Marcus Wright.  It felt like an action movie that had some Terminator elements to it, not a Terminator movie, at least up until the very end, if that makes sense.  Also the delivery on some of the classic Terminator lines was just  .

The latest Entertainment Weekly has an interview with Bale where he says that he first turned down doing this movie and that his people were all telling him to avoid doing anything with McG.  He probably should have taken that advice.  The Dark Knight this is NOT.  But it felt okay to me overall.  Better than Wolverine anyway.

[bork]

Whoever said it feels like a TV movie hit the nail on the head.  I didn't think Salvation was awful, but it was full of plotholes and questionable editing choices.  There's a part in the beginning where a bunch of resistance guys attack a Skynet installation and

spoiler (click to show/hide)

find a bunch of human prisoners inside, plus Marcus's body.  The squad commander tells John Conner to go up above and check on the crew outside.  He does, they're all dead, and after a brief battle above, he gets on the radio and gets a chopper to pick him up, saying there's one survivor.  Then it cuts to Marcus wandering around in the same area later on.  No explanation is given for what the fuck happened to the resistance or the human prisoners, or how Marcus got re-animated. WTF?

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Other shit that had me scratching my head:

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-Why did Skynet not know the location of John Conner's (HUGE) resistance headquarters?  ESPECIALLY after it is established that any "abnormal" sounds, like a radio playing, let alone huge fucking explosions all over the place, will bring out Skynet drones/Terminators to the area, (and nevermind the radio signal that they discovered that de-activates robots is actually being used by Skynet to track humans!)  The resistance blows the shit out of their own mine field and wastes tons of ammo trying kill one of their own people and Marcus, and nothing happens.  

-In the same scene, right after the mind field part, John Conner is in a chopper with some other guys investigating a nearby river.  There's little Skynet fish-like robots in there that kill everyone but Conner.  Again, this is right near the resistance base, so why doesn't Skynet know where they are? 

-The "comic book villain" like portrayal of Skynet and its speech to Marcus, revealing all its plans.  So fucking cliche.  It used Marcus to lure John Conner and Kyle Reese to it.  WHY?  It's supposed to be a cold, calculating machine.  It had multiple chances to kill Kyle Reese in particular outright, but did NOT.

-How is that Marcus Wright's cybernetic parts are so much more advanced than the Terminators that were created after him?  Not to mention, if he was so successful for Skynet, why bother with T-800s at all?  Why not make more human/terminator hybrids, since it's much harder to tell if they're "robots" or not?

-How easy it was for John Conner to take out the various Skynet drones alone, and for him to sneak into Skynet by himself with no problems whatsoever.

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This movie is also less about John Conner (who comes off like a real dickhead most of the time, IMO) and more about Marcus Wright.  It felt like an action movie that had some Terminator elements to it, not a Terminator movie, at least up until the very end, if that makes sense.  Also the delivery on some of the classic Terminator lines was just  .

The latest Entertainment Weekly has an interview with Bale where he says that he first turned down doing this movie and that his people were all telling him to avoid doing anything with McG.  He probably should have taken that advice.  The Dark Knight this is NOT.  But it felt okay to me overall.  Better than Wolverine anyway.

Really? Why didn't the US just go in to Germany and kill Hitler? They knew where he was. the whole point of a Terminator is to infiltrate and assassinate. In the first movie, a terminator comes in to the resistance base and kills everyone. Skynet KNOWS where they are, but they don't send everyone in. That's not how wars are fought.

and

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The whole lab exploded.

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When did that spoiler part happen?   

That's not the whole point in Terminator.  Skynet isn't human; it wiped the fuck out of humanity on Earth.  It also had no problem

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blowing up the resistance command sub.

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  There is no reason for it to be letting humans live; previous movies and even the TV show did a far better job of potraying Skynet.  It should have just nuked the whole fucking area; it's not like it should give a shit what happens. 

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Kyle Reese was #1 on its kill list, it had multiple chances to kill him, and let him live.

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  LOL.

[Eric P]

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skynet does a monologue?

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lame'

[Bebpo]

Soooooo terrible.
The plot is distinguished mentally-challenged and if you even try to think about it, it doesn't make any sense because it's so full of holes.

I thought Bale was terrible.  You just wanted to punch him in the face the entire time.  Worthington was good and the giant robot mobile base was kinda neat, but that alone didn't make the movie any more watchable.

I would rate it slightly above Spiderman 3 and Transformers, which are at the bottom of the bad to good scale of summer movies.

[Eel O'Brian]

every terminator movie has plotholes big enough to walk through

if you go into a terminator movie expecting a logical and cohesive plot you're in for disappointment every time

[WrikaWrek]

Wouldn't John Connor had to already been born in order for him to become leader of the resistance? How come Kyle comes back to prevent his mother from dying and ends up becoming the father?

That shit makes 0 sense. So i'm not really looking for the plot. It's machine vs man, baby, that's what it's all about.

[Oblivion]

How come Kyle comes back to prevent his mother from dying and ends up becoming the father?

Damn this sounds hot.

[Enl]

yeah, and that kinda sucks as well.  time travel plot incosistencies are one thing, it's quite another to put shit in that makes zero sense, for zero reason.

Exactly, we follow this one character around for the whole movie and his whole purpose was

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to give John Connor a heart. aww, how sweet. 

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And why was he sent into the future anyways? They created a feely touchy machine and just decided to shit him out into the future with no reason.

[Bebpo]

Nitpicks (besides the overall plot being ridiculous like Cohen described):

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-I will give my heart!:  Didn't anyone in the resistance go HEY WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS INDESTRUCTIBLE ROBO-MAN FIGHTING AS A SOLDIER FOR US.  HE'D ONLY BE THEIR GREATEST WEAPON IN THE WAR AGAINST THE MACHINES.  NAH LETS JUST LET HIM KILL HIMSELF TO GIVE OLE' JOHN A HEART.

-So Skynet makes scout flying things but they don't even give them a tiny gun?  It's not like Skynet is low on guns or anything and might as well equip every robot with some form of attack weapon.

-Skynet motorcycles can only shoot when they are in front of a vehicle?  Like they are too dumb to shoot in when they are behind it or beside it?

-So the t-800, a robot that we've seen affected by magma in the other films, is completely unaffected by it here.  Great for the "haha, pranked!" factor but uhhhhh what?

-BIGGEST PLOT FAIL EVER:  So Skynet makes this infiltration unit that has FULL HACKING ACCESS CONTROL to Skynet's systems and uh, no robot override that forces him to act for them, and they just assume it's all good because he's going to side with the robots?  Riiiiight.     The film would have been at least a good deal better if when he interfaces with skynet and it "syncs" it activates the robotic portion of his brain, which takes over his nervous system, and makes him go kill John Conner when Conner doesn't expect it.  Then you have the last moment where Marcus's will/humanity breaks free and rips the computer brain out and he saves Conner.  The way it is in the movie it's like what was the point of even pulling out the cyber-brain since it obviously HAD NO CONTROLLING EFFECT on him.  He's just like "look suckas, I ain't no robot!", which was totally unnecessary. 

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Movie was stupid.  Besides being stupid there wasn't even good action like T1/T2 so when it wasn't lol funny it was kind of boring.  There are hardly any big action setpieces.  There's like one at the start with marcus and one at the end with conner and that's the whole movie.

Also I think the only way to take half the stuff seriously in the Terminator movies is to go under the impression that the robots are really dumb.

[Phoenix Dark]

and probably Blade Runner

[WrikaWrek]

Never met a black dude that liked Blade Runner.

[Bebpo]

I like Juno because J.K. Simmons is awesome.

[Phoenix Dark]

Juno is not good - in fact it's bad, but it's not utterly horrible. It's totally forgettable

[Phoenix Dark]

Is it worse than Forrest Gump?

[Phoenix Dark]

Well we agree on something

[Cheebs]

Pretty shitty, but probably slightly better than T3 but that isn't saying too much. Only part I got into was the end stuff with Bale fighting the CGI Arnold.

[bachikarn]

CGI Arnold was surprisingly good. I liked the atmosphere for the most part (should have been laser guns!), but I think they should have taken the movie in a completely different direction. Also, I don't know if it was the writing or Bale, but John Connor was so lifeless.

[Great Rumbler]

I went in with very low expectations and came out pleasantly surprised. No, it doesn't top Terminator 1 and 2, but it offers up some cool action scenes and a good atmosphere for the most part. The story and acting were adequate, nothing great but not horrible. If you dig enough into those two aspects you can probably come up with some minor gripes, but nothing too bad. Overall, solid entertainment that strives for nothing more than to be big action movie that doesn't particularly offend, and it achieves that much.

I liked it better than Transformers, which did offend me.

[bork]

They used Reese to get Connor to come to Skynet.

And I'm pretty sure once Connor came top side, the lab blew up.

And if what you say were true, why doesn't skynet built nuke after nuke and constantly bomb the world? They have the capability.

Yes, WHY DOESN'T IT?  That's my point!   

The answer is "because then there wouldn't be any material to make a movie."  And that's fine, but it just shows how fucking dumb the script was.

[Cheebs]

CGI Arnold was surprisingly good. I liked the atmosphere for the most part (should have been laser guns!), but I think they should have taken the movie in a completely different direction. Also, I don't know if it was the writing or Bale, but John Connor was so lifeless.

Yeah CGI arnold was done very well. Surprised me how good it looked. Way better than the ugly as hell cgi patrick stewart in wolverine.

[Cheebs]

Oh and I watched a bit of Terminator 3 last night for the first time in years just to compare. I fucking how fucking bad that movie was, Terminator 4 was clearly better than that.

[WrikaWrek]

Oh shut up, T3 is good harmless fun. Has problems like a miscast john connor, and overall being a quasi remake of Terminator 2, but let's not make a big deal out of it.

[Cheebs]

Still I say T1 > T2 > T4 > T3

[Great Rumbler]

They used Reese to get Connor to come to Skynet.

And I'm pretty sure once Connor came top side, the lab blew up.

And if what you say were true, why doesn't skynet built nuke after nuke and constantly bomb the world? They have the capability.

Yes, WHY DOESN'T IT?  That's my point!   

The answer is "because then there wouldn't be any material to make a movie."  And that's fine, but it just shows how fucking dumb the script was.

I read up on the movie a little bit and apparently it went through numerous rewrites with numerous writers.

[WrikaWrek]

Still I say T1 > T2 > T4 > T3

I had more fun with T2 than T1.

[Cheebs]

Still I say T1 > T2 > T4 > T3

I had more fun with T2 than T1.

T2 is way more fun than T1 and has way better action.  But I pretty the gritty creepiness of T1 over the more fun action packed T2. The Terminator was scary as hell in T1, T2 never was scary you always felt the good guys would win.