Author Topic: Bionic Commando is here-- AND IT'S GOOD! :O (Read 4550 times)

bork · « **on:** May 18, 2009, 07:15:23 PM »

Mediocre reviews comin' in. The multi player demo sucked IMO, so I don't care about that aspect of the game, leaving a linear, short 1P mode that's supposedly okay to great at times. Still interested? Waiting for a price drop? Not gonna bother?

Veidt · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:33:48 PM »

I actually don't care either :/

Bebpo · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:34:25 PM »

Nope.

Really sad though. It looked like the kind of game that's been missing this gen (swinging through lush forests like Tarzan).

cool breeze · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:38:47 PM »

I'm buying it tomorrow along with Punch Out. MP demo did suck, but the mechanics were sound and were enough to sell me on it.

archie4208 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:48:54 PM »

Nah not really.

Jansen · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:53:59 PM »

after the shitty mp demo and reading how restrictive the environments are i've decided it's only worth a rent

demi · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2009, 07:55:07 PM »

have it on gamefly

Bildi · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:07:08 PM »

I never played the demo but it looked meh from the first video.

So..... meh.

Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:10:10 PM »

I'm renting it alongside Punch-Out.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:17:42 PM »

used to care. a lot of the videos from the bombed out cities looked awesome.

then i heard about the stupid design decisions they're making. now it seems like just another shitty capcom game. so many of those this generation.

Robo · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:23:51 PM »

Waiting for demi impressions.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:29:44 PM »

7/10 on Eurogamer. Would be more interested but it's full price and UFC is out tomorrow

dark1x · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2009, 12:04:48 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on May 18, 2009, 07:53:59 PM

after the shitty mp demo and reading how restrictive the environments are i've decided it's only worth a rent

I don't understand why this is a problem. It only seems problematic if you went into this wanting a sandbox game (something I'm growing tired of). The barriers were designed to create a game with the limitations of the 2D Bionic Commando in 3D. You still seem to have a very open area to play in with some serious verticality, but there ARE bottomless pits and edges which can kill you just like the 2D original (or Rearmed). It's a linear action game, as it should be. Do you REALLY want a giant city with the same fucking radar that points you to each mission objective? Go talk to someone, then go to point X on the radar and complete objective. Rinse and repeat one hundred times until the game is finished. No way, that would be ass. The large environments seem to have fooled people simply because that generally means "open sandbox". It shouldn't always be that way! We still need linear action games.

That said, I'm very disappointed with the tech side of things. The game looks great, but the console versions seem kinda crap. The 360 version has CONSTANT screen tearing (it is there 100% of the time) and very long loading times (up to 35 seconds per area). The PS3 version has a stable framerate with no tearing, but I'm still waiting on load time confirmation (probably long). I have SOME faith as BCR loaded twice as fast on PS3, but still, I'm not expecting much especially as the game has to RELOAD when you die. The 360 version is a mess, the PS3 version seems better but still flawed, and the superior PC version is months away from release. Why? BCR and Wanted (both Grin games using this engine) were available roughly the same week on PC. Why make us wait? I'd buy this on PC right now. As it stands, I'll probably pass on the game until it hits PC.

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now it seems like just another shitty capcom game. so many of those this generation.

It's not a Capcom game, though. It's a Grin Stockholm title. The same team which created Bionic Commando Rearmed (NOT Wanted). BCR rocked hard which is why I feel this deserves a shot.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2009, 12:09:06 AM »

I'll give it a rent. I squarely don't give a shit about what GI has to say about any game (obvious reasons), and it looks like it could be a good time. But there are too many games at the moment, so yeah... rental, and possible purchase down the road.

Enl · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2009, 12:12:15 AM »

I'll check it out when it goes down in price but I already got the Bionic Commando I wanted and that was Rearmed. For some reason I can't get excited over this one. It just seems very... bland.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2009, 12:15:54 AM »

Is that contest over? I changed my motto yesterday.

bork · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2009, 12:54:23 AM »

Quote from: dark1x on May 19, 2009, 12:04:48 AM

It's not a Capcom game, though. It's a Grin Stockholm title. The same team which created Bionic Commando Rearmed (NOT Wanted). BCR rocked hard which is why I feel this deserves a shot.

But BCR was just an old game engine given new visuals; Grin just remade an old game. This new BC is theirs and it doesn't seem so hot.

I'm not sure if I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or not.

cool breeze · « **Reply #17 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:34:20 AM »

BCR had a lot added. It's close if not equal to Mega Man Powered Up in terms of remakes. Even if you just want to judge the VR missions, Grin did an awesome job with those.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:37:03 AM »

It's a shame, because GRIN has done some pretty great things with existing properties. The PC version of GRAW shat all over the console versions.

cool breeze · « **Reply #19 on:** May 19, 2009, 01:44:41 AM »

actually, multiplayer Bionic Commando could be alright if it was in a larger map. Whoever thought they should do a multiplayer only demo that took place in a cramped area where you could barely manage a two swing combo is stupid.

bork · « **Reply #20 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:41:29 AM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 19, 2009, 01:34:20 AM

BCR had a lot added. It's close if not equal to Mega Man Powered Up in terms of remakes. Even if you just want to judge the VR missions, Grin did an awesome job with those.

I'm talking about the core game play mechanics. It's the same thing, right?

cool breeze · « **Reply #21 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:50:22 AM »

not entirely

they changed it up a lot. The only thing that is the same is really the physics of how your character moves and swings. Weapons are different, levels are mixed up to better use your added abilities, bosses are changed up plus a bunch of other more minor parts. BCR is an amazing remake.

Bebpo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:57:38 AM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on May 19, 2009, 12:54:23 AM

Quote from: dark1x on May 19, 2009, 12:04:48 AM
It's not a Capcom game, though. It's a Grin Stockholm title. The same team which created Bionic Commando Rearmed (NOT Wanted). BCR rocked hard which is why I feel this deserves a shot.

But BCR was just an old game engine given new visuals; Grin just remade an old game. This new BC is theirs and it doesn't seem so hot.

I'm not sure if I'm going to pick it up tomorrow or not.

That's not fair, dude. Otherwise all these Backbone remakes and stuff would be ZOMG TOTALLY AWESOME!! Even if the original mechanics are planned out for the team, it takes a lot of skill, dedication, and love for the franchise to do a really HQ fantastic remake like Bionic was.

I really wanted to give them a chance with Bionic 3d because they showed how great they could be and how they understood game design with rearmed. Even the music in rearmed was straight out awesome.

But I dunno, the reviews for Bionic 3d just sound troubled. Like the team didn't fully grasp how 3d games need to work. $60+tax is a bit much if the game just isn't that good.

If user reviews speak otherwise and it turns out to be some incredible hit that reviewers just didn't get like GunValkyrie, then I'll grab it. Otherwise I gotta wait until the $20-30 pricepoint.

dark1x · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2009, 08:48:38 AM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on May 19, 2009, 01:37:03 AM

It's a shame, because GRIN has done some pretty great things with existing properties. The PC version of GRAW shat all over the console versions.

Ehh, I don't know about that. The two games were VERY different and opinions could go either way. I never liked the PC version of GRAW. It was very trial and error while lacking the visual panache of the 360 game.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2009, 08:50:08 AM »

Two more average games from Grin. What a surprise.

Duckman only likes them because they are from Sweden.

chronovore · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2009, 02:43:10 AM »

Most likely I'll finally cave -- and get BC: Re-Armed :-P

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #26 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:23:05 PM »

Anyone pick it up?

bork · « **Reply #27 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:52:27 PM »

Quote from: distantmantra on May 20, 2009, 05:23:05 PM

Anyone pick it up?

I'm kinda thinking about it now after reading through the GAF thread. I tried the multiplayer demo again and was having a lot of fun swinging around. The combat still blows chunks, however.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #28 on:** May 20, 2009, 05:58:00 PM »

Yeah, I've been reading through that thread and I'm in the same boat.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #29 on:** May 20, 2009, 06:07:06 PM »

There's a GiantBomb quick look that shows a few different parts of the single player campaign. I thought the swinging looked cool, but the battles seemed to go on and on and on with tons of respawning enemies.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-ex-bionic-commando/17-408/

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2009, 09:38:41 PM »

I took the piggybank in my office to a CoinStar today and got $73.68. Fry's has this for $52.99 so I might bite.

demi · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:08:24 PM »

don't do it

bork · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:14:17 PM »

I'm taking one for the team.

I picked it up tonight; went to Best Buy and they had none. EB Games had one copy left. The clerk said they only got two copies in, gave me the pre-order patches and the last copy; said no one seemed to care about it. I wonder if they under shipped the game knowing it was gonna be bomba?

cool breeze · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:17:01 PM »

I haven't actually found it yet $:-\$

my gamestop doesn't have it in yet, close by ones don't either. The one that does had the last store copy that was gutted, so fuck that.

Jansen · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:33:47 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on May 20, 2009, 10:14:17 PM

I'm taking one for the team.

I picked it up tonight; went to Best Buy and they had none. EB Games had one copy left. The clerk said they only got two copies in, gave me the pre-order patches and the last copy; said no one seemed to care about it. I wonder if they under shipped the game knowing it was gonna be bomba?

which version?

the gameplay video on gamersyde has a crazy ass amount of screen tearing. i wanna know if it's v synced on ps3

bork · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:41:44 PM »

PS3, since a) people say it doesn't have those screen-tearing issues, and b) since I have ReArmed on PS3 too.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:53:57 PM »

Target got it in today, but I picked it up at Fry's for $53.

Jansen · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:55:31 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on May 20, 2009, 10:41:44 PM

PS3, since a) people say it doesn't have those screen-tearing issues, and b) since I have ReArmed on PS3 too.

please let us know if the no screen tearing for the ps3 version is true

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:20:28 PM »

I haven't noticed any tearing yet with the PS3 version.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:26:06 PM »

I think I'm just going to buy this one, to hell with critics.

bork · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:49:07 PM »

So what the hell is the problem with this game supposed to be again?

I got accustomed to the swinging mechanic with minutes in the tutorial area, and got all of the hidden icons located there with ease. All you have to do is make sure when swinging to simply let go before the apex of your swing, and you'll go flying forward with no problem. During the first and second sections, I was zipping all over the place and not once did I fuck up; it plays very well. Ditto for the shooting parts, and plus after you get your bionic arm, you can do melee attacks with it to enemies, or use it on the surroundings to hurl objects at them.

One major complaint I have is that when you die, you lose any challenges you have completed in that area. So if you got a hidden retro 8-bit icon somewhere, you're going to have to do it again. That sucks.

Visually it looks good enough; I unlocked the retro Rad Spencer character model, but I think I might switch it back to the default model, because it too cheesy, although since the plot and dialogue are cheesy anyway, it kind of fits. I am playing the PS3 version and there is no screen-tearing; load times have been around 10-17 seconds. The game reminds me of an 80's action movie, especially when using the retro skin! The music is superb, stellar, kick-ass AWESOME.

Other than losing completed challenges when dying, Bionic Commando seems like a pretty enjoyable game to me (so far)! Maybe this really is going to be this gen's PN03 or Godhand all over again.

demi · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:59:36 PM »

initial hype, it will dwindle soon.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2009, 02:47:03 AM »

Still good?

bork · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2009, 04:17:39 AM »

Didn't have a chance to play today...

cool breeze · « **Reply #44 on:** May 22, 2009, 11:42:11 AM »

I played every Spider-Man game that was about swinging (so, SM2, USM, SM3, Web of Shadows) only for the swinging. I'm hoping to find the game today, but I didn't have luck the past few days.

cool breeze · « **Reply #45 on:** May 23, 2009, 12:50:05 AM »

This game is alright so far. Best parts are the challenges during missions, the music and the occasional stronger enemy battle.

Swinging reminds me of Mirror's Edge a bit. When you get the hang of it, it can be very elegant and fun to use; when you struggle, it's a mess of animation and controls. It does seem a bit more difficult than it needs to be. I think they could have put more functions there instead of evade. I don't think I've used evade once so far. It's really fun to use in the areas where you fight the strong enemies, like the flying ones, since they take place in open areas.

If it wasn't for the challenges, I might really get annoyed that the first two or three hours is the same stuff over and over. I go to the green marker on the screen, kill enemies, jack a computer, repeat. Maybe the whole game is just like this, I don't know yet. But the challenges are cool because they give you more to do within that same-y level structure.

I got the PS3 version and the game looks alright. Some parts look bad, these cave parts I'm in now look good. No tearing, frame rate seems like it goes from 60 to 25.

The story is probably the funniest best/worst story in a game I've played lately. Rad himself looks like someone pooped on his head. During the cutscenes he's all gruff about hating the military; during the game he yells out things like "THAT HAD TO HURT!" or "I'LL SEND YOU THE BILL LATER" when he kills people. The story seems like it's about Bionic people wanting to keep their bionics or some shit like that. The best was in a cutscene I just saw where a woman is saying that she helped destroy a city because she didn't want to lose her bionic legs and use a wheel chair. She actually helped kill thousands to avoid using a wheel chair, yet they try and play it off like she might be good because she didn't kill Rad right away.

The radiation and water shit is stupid though. You can't even go too high or else the game would kill you, and dying means losing all progress from the last checkpoint, including challenge progress.

uh, and I don't think it can really be compared to the spider-man games now that I've played it some. Swinging is a lot more complicated than just being near buildings in those games. A lot of times you can miss a swing because you weren't close enough, or just that material couldn't be hooked onto. Swinging in spider-man is a way to get through the open world much faster. Swinging in bionic commando is the main part of the platforming gameplay.

Jansen · « **Reply #46 on:** May 23, 2009, 02:20:49 AM »

i could buy the 360 version for 30 bucks, is it worth it? i wasn't very impressed with the mp demo but 30 dollars is very tempting

Jansen · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2009, 09:04:57 PM »

i'm glad i didn't buy this game because it sucks. i can't remember the last time i played a game with such shitty checkpoints.

the gunplay is horrible and it was dumb as all hell to lock your abilities away. they should have all been unlocked from the get go, would have mead things more fun.

and the the whole radiation/fire/water shit is just as bad as the reviews say.

cool breeze · « **Reply #48 on:** May 24, 2009, 12:38:29 AM »

the big plot reveal at the end of the game is almost as hilarious as FEAR 2.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Your missing wife, the reason you accepted this mission, turns out to be your arm you've been using for the last 15 years. His wife is literally his arm. She was killed and put into a robotic arm. So, she decides that it's a good idea to KILL HERSELF so that you won't live life without your left arm after you lost it in a battle.

[close]

demi · « **Reply #49 on:** May 24, 2009, 12:40:38 AM »

worked for terminator 4

Purple Filth · « **Reply #50 on:** May 24, 2009, 12:57:35 AM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 24, 2009, 12:38:29 AM

the big plot reveal at the end of the game is almost as hilarious as FEAR 2.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Your missing wife, the reason you accepted this mission, turns out to be your arm you've been using for the last 15 years. His wife is literally his arm. She was killed and put into a robotic arm. So, she decides that it's a good idea to KILL HERSELF so that you won't live life without your left arm after you lost it in a battle.
[close]

WAT?

now 2/2 for reading your posts on wtf endings (last one was fear 2)

Bebpo · « **Reply #51 on:** May 24, 2009, 01:01:46 AM »

Not having played the game, that makes no sense to me.

bork · « **Reply #52 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:21:31 AM »

Quote from: Bebpo on May 24, 2009, 01:01:46 AM

Not having played the game, that makes no sense to me.

Having played the game, it makes no sense to me.

bork · « **Reply #53 on:** May 24, 2009, 06:01:58 AM »

Quote from: Green Man on May 24, 2009, 05:27:35 AM

Quote from: swaggaz on May 24, 2009, 12:38:29 AM
the big plot reveal at the end of the game is almost as hilarious as FEAR 2.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Your missing wife, the reason you accepted this mission, turns out to be your arm you've been using for the last 15 years. His wife is literally his arm. She was killed and put into a robotic arm. So, she decides that it's a good idea to KILL HERSELF so that you won't live life without your left arm after you lost it in a battle.
[close]

I AM CRIPPLED WITH LAUGHTER RIGHT NOW.

Jesus Grin, what the fuck?

Grin has clearly mastered the art of animu-geemu story telling.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:06:07 AM »

Quote from: swaggaz on May 24, 2009, 12:38:29 AM

the big plot reveal at the end of the game is almost as hilarious as FEAR 2.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Your missing wife, the reason you accepted this mission, turns out to be your arm you've been using for the last 15 years. His wife is literally his arm. She was killed and put into a robotic arm. So, she decides that it's a good idea to KILL HERSELF so that you won't live life without your left arm after you lost it in a battle.
[close]

almost as good as the last matrix game ending

cool breeze · « **Reply #55 on:** May 24, 2009, 01:02:07 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge on May 24, 2009, 05:21:31 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on May 24, 2009, 01:01:46 AM
Not having played the game, that makes no sense to me.

Having played the game, it makes no sense to me.

it's foreshadowed in the cutscene that shows

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nathan looking at his wife run away when he raises his bionic arm.

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GRIN must think living crippled is the worst fate.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nathan's wife kills herself so he can get a bionic left arm. Mag (the girl that runs fast) helped nuke an entire city so she wouldn't lose the use of her bionic legs.

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one cool thing the game does is change up the dialogue if you died in a boss fight. First time you fight one, Super Joe tells you that "there is no choice but to fight it" and Rad responds with some gruff macho thing. Second time he says "there is no choice but to fuck it" and Rad just says "uhhhhhh." There is another fight later on where a new button prompt appears letting you skip the dialogue. Every time you use it, Rad tells the guy to shut up, getting angrier each time. At first he's just telling him to shut up; the last one is him yelling "SHUT THE FUCK UP."

duckman2000 · « **Reply #56 on:** May 24, 2009, 01:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on May 24, 2009, 05:27:35 AM

Jesus Grin, what the fuck?

That one probably comes straight from Crapcom.

Jansen · « **Reply #57 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:45:31 AM »

what the fuck at the end battle. it's just a shitty qte. and the ending is just you falling. wow, amazing stuff

why did they even have mag and that sniper dude in this game? they were completely worthless characters

btw did anyone catch what was written after the credits? i wasn't paying attention

cool breeze · « **Reply #58 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:48:22 AM »

it's morse code. I think they expect people to know it or some shit, but it says that there is a sequel or at least planned story for the sequel.

chronovore · « **Reply #59 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:54:18 AM »

Anyone else notice that XBLA's Bionic Commando Re-Armed is the Gold subscriber special this week? 400 spaceboox, and $5 yanqui dollah on PSN.

What's the sound effect for "PURCHASED"?

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Author Topic: Bionic Commando is here-- AND IT'S GOOD! :O (Read 4550 times)