Same-sex sexual behavior nearly universal phenomenon

[castle007]

to be honest, many of the things written in the bible reflect the ideals of the writers of the book and not necessarily Jesus.

Are you similarly suspicious of the Koran's authenticity?

the writers of the bible were probably poor and pissed off at rich people (probably the ruling class)

You sound like Nietzsche now, but you're definitely correct.

no

1) Mohammad couldn't read or write. It is a fact. He definitely didn't just make it up in his mind and then told people to write it because his way of speech is completely different than that of the quran and it is simply not possible. The literary aspects of the Quran make it impossible for Mohammad to have made it up.

2) It is not possible that someone wrote the book for him because if that was the case then his enemies would have found out. They were trying their best to sabotage him and they would use every bit of information they have. they never found out how Mohammad was able to get the suras from the Quran and they even marveled at them.
3) So who wrote it?? ......

Not god

then who did? Please enlighten me.

Prophet Mohammad's life has been very well documented, and when the quran was revealed it was so far ahead of anything out there and all poetry and literature paled in comaprison and no one has been able to match it to this day!!! No poets or literature experts were able to match the literary aspects of the quran. No one at the time of the prophet had the capabilites to write The Quran!! It simply did not fall in any of the rules of literature!!


Did someone get a time machine from the year 3000 and went back in time?  

[Oblivion]

Well obviously the "gay gene" is in everybody, but there is some other gene or hormone that activates it and that's what makes it very complicated to find.  If homosexual behavior wasn't beneficial for the species, obviously evolution wouldn't favor keeping those genes.  You have to accept that there is a biological basis to it, even if it doesn't do ANYTHING for humans today now that we have fleshlights and internet porn.
Second, homosexuality doesn't hurt ANYBODY.  Alcohol abuse and violence obviously do.  Even if you don't like to see homosexuals kissing or anything, it would make more sense to "frown" on heterosexuals that have too many children because they acted on their urges.
yes, I am a straight guy with a double-standard against straight people..

Ok, let's say that it doesn't hurt anybody (I don't think that is true), by default, does it benefit society?

Of course not, humans do a lot of UNNATURAL AND USELESS things though.  We over-populate the world, we eat too much food, we watch too much TV.  We act on our urges.  If homosexuality doesn't hurt ANYBODY, why do you care?  I can understand if you're weirded out everytime your eyes flash across a gay porn thumbnail on spankwire while your junk is hard, but how else could homosexuality EVER affect you even slightly?

I mean, it's pretty clear as far as I can see that the human homosexual behavior is natural and harmless, but obviously it's a very strong urge and not something I would ever expect anybody to totally suppress.

When am nintendo is making more sense than you, it's at that point you know you're doing it wrong.

[Kestastrophe]

Prophet Mohammad's life has been very well documented, and when the quran was revealed it was so far ahead of anything out there and all poetry and literature paled in comaprison and no one has been able to match it to this day!!!

wat

Shakespeare
other lesser known poets and literaries

Did someone get a time machine from the year 3000 and went back in time?  

r u a prophet? 

[Oblivion]

Wasn't the Koran not even officially written until several generations after Muhammed died? And up until that point, weren't the teachings spread verbally? What makes you think some random assholes didn't corrupt it?

[castle007]

to be honest, many of the things written in the bible reflect the ideals of the writers of the book and not necessarily Jesus.

Are you similarly suspicious of the Koran's authenticity?

the writers of the bible were probably poor and pissed off at rich people (probably the ruling class)

You sound like Nietzsche now, but you're definitely correct.

no

1) Mohammad couldn't read or write. It is a fact. He definitely didn't just make it up in his mind and then told people to write it because his way of speech is completely different than that of the quran and it is simply not possible. The literary aspects of the Quran make it impossible for Mohammad to have made it up.

2) It is not possible that someone wrote the book for him because if that was the case then his enemies would have found out. They were trying their best to sabotage him and they would use every bit of information they have. they never found out how Mohammad was able to get the suras from the Quran and they even marveled at them.
3) So who wrote it?? ......

And how do you know for a fact that Muhammad was illiterate? He worked as a merchant at a time when numbers were written out fully in words. He couldn't have been illiterate while working in a profession that required literacy.

Which is easier to believe: he lied about being illiterate or there was an error in the Koran or he actually spoke with an all-powerful supernatural being?

Even western scholars agree that Mohammad was sincere in his message and never deceived and lied to his people. Even the non muslims back them attest to his honesty and that he was illiterate!! If he was literate then people would have found out early in his life when he was a merchant. But no one questioned that fact.

So what if he was illliterate and a merchant?? It is possible to be successfull like that.

Heck, isn't one of the NHL coaches illiterate? How did he manage to run his team for so many years?

[castle007]

Prophet Mohammad's life has been very well documented, and when the quran was revealed it was so far ahead of anything out there and all poetry and literature paled in comaprison and no one has been able to match it to this day!!!

wat

Shakespeare
other lesser known poets and literaries

Did someone get a time machine from the year 3000 and went back in time?  

r u a prophet? 

I am talking about Arabic literature!!

How can you compare literature from two different languages? Both are beautiful in their own ways.

[Diunx]

My dog is always trying to rape me, I'm taking him to church as soon as I can.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

to be honest, many of the things written in the bible reflect the ideals of the writers of the book and not necessarily Jesus.

Are you similarly suspicious of the Koran's authenticity?

the writers of the bible were probably poor and pissed off at rich people (probably the ruling class)

You sound like Nietzsche now, but you're definitely correct.

no

1) Mohammad couldn't read or write. It is a fact. He definitely didn't just make it up in his mind and then told people to write it because his way of speech is completely different than that of the quran and it is simply not possible. The literary aspects of the Quran make it impossible for Mohammad to have made it up.

2) It is not possible that someone wrote the book for him because if that was the case then his enemies would have found out. They were trying their best to sabotage him and they would use every bit of information they have. they never found out how Mohammad was able to get the suras from the Quran and they even marveled at them.
3) So who wrote it?? ......

And how do you know for a fact that Muhammad was illiterate? He worked as a merchant at a time when numbers were written out fully in words. He couldn't have been illiterate while working in a profession that required literacy.

Which is easier to believe: he lied about being illiterate or there was an error in the Koran or he actually spoke with an all-powerful supernatural being?

Even western scholars agree that Mohammad was sincere in his message and never deceived and lied to his people. Even the non muslims back them attest to his honesty and that he was illiterate!! If he was literate then people would have found out early in his life when he was a merchant. But no one questioned that fact.

So what if he was illliterate and a merchant?? It is possible to be successfull like that.

Heck, isn't one of the NHL coaches illiterate? How did he manage to run his team for so many years?

How the hell do you get a job coaching a hockey team and you can't fucking read?

[Tauntaun]

My dog is always trying to rape me, I'm taking him to church as soon as I can.

[Flannel Boy]

It's very odd that a man who encouraged his followers to learn to read and write never learned how to read and write himself.

[castle007]

Notice how God always sends prophets to people who excel in a certain area, and then He helps the prophets in bringing miracles that amaze these people?

Examples:

Moses: He lived at a time when people excelled in magic and tricks. Miracle: changing rope to snakes, parting of the sea. He challenged the best magicians and they fell short.

Jesus: He lived at a time when people excelled in medicine. Miracle: He cured leprosy, healed the blind and raised the dead

Mohammad: He lived at a time when people excelled in potery. Miracle: The Quran. He challaneged people to come up with something like it and they failed.

[Flannel Boy]

Notice how God always sends prophets to people who excel in a certain area, and then He helps the prophets in bringing miracles that amaze these people?

Examples:

Moses: He lived at a time when people excelled in magic and tricks. Miracle: changing rope to snakes, parting of the sea. He challenged the best magicians and they fell short.

Jesus: He lived at a time when people excelled in medicine. Miracle: He cured leprosy, healed the blind and raised the dead

Mohammad: He lived at a time when people excelled in potery. Miracle: The Quran. He challaneged people to come up with something like it and they failed.

"The holy books are true."

"How do you know that the holy books are true?"

"Because God did this, this and this!"

"How do you know that god did these things."

"Because the holy books are true."

[Kestastrophe]

I find this a bit ironic

PICKTHAL: Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,
SHAKIR: Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,

096.004
YUSUFALI: He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
PICKTHAL: Who teacheth by the pen,
SHAKIR: Who taught (to write) with the pen

[castle007]

It's very odd that a man who encouraged his followers to learn to read and write never learned how to read and write himself.

That is one incredible aspect about Prophet Mohammad! It is fitting that he never did. If he did then people could have easily said that he made up the Quran. He accomplished so much and taught islam despite the fact that he was illiterate!! If that is a miracle then I don't know what is!!


When Gabriel visited Mohammad for the first time, do you know what the first thing God told him through the angel??

He ordered him to read!! And Mohammad kept saying that he couldn't!

[Diunx]

It's very odd that a man who encouraged his followers to learn to read and write never learned how to read and write himself.

That is one incredible aspect about Prophet Mohammad! It is fitting that he never did. If he did then people could have easily said that he made up the Quran. He accomplished so much and taught islam despite the fact that he was illiterate!! If that is a miracle then I don't know what is!!


When Gabriel visited Mohammad for the first time, do you know what the first thing God told him through the angel??

He ordered him to read!! And Mohammad kept saying that he couldn't!

lol

[Flannel Boy]

 It is fitting that he never did. If he did then people could have easily said that he made up the Quran.

But I thought the inimitable prose was enough!
Wouldn't he set a better example by learning to read?
Wouldn't he want to make sure his followers were transcribing his words correctly?

When Gabriel visited Mohammad for the first time, do you know what the first thing God told him through the angel??

He ordered him to read!! And Mohammad kept saying that he couldn't!

Again with the circular reasoning. We are arguing whether the Quran's account of Muhammad's illiteracy is correct. You are basically saying the Quran is correct because it is correct.

[Crushed]

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

When you have tried everything you can to try to tell her to stop her rebellious behaviour. (talk to her, let others talk to her, refuse to sleep with her, etc..) and she still hasn't stopped her bahviour, then this "hitting" should be used.

If the hitting isn't supposed to hurt her and it isn't supposed to bruise her, then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

I don't see the problem.

If you follow all these steps in order, then most of the time you shouldn't even resort to hitting. Most of these disputes are solved with the couples talking and that is the very FIRST step.

It makes sense.

[castle007]

then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

then it isn't really the hitting that people picture. It is supposed to be something very very very light.

a light shove will do the trick!! When you are mad at the person you love and you want her to snap out of it many people do this (man to a woman or a woman to a man)!  But I never promoted hitting a woman! I even clarified that when I first came to this board right after I was banned!

I guess the word that got me in trouble was hitting! I should have been more careful 

[Crushed]

a light shove will do the trick!!

She fell down the stairs!

"I fell down the stairs!"

[castle007]

a light shove will do the trick!!

She fell down the stairs!

"I fell down the stairs!"

 

well if she falls down the stairs then that is not a gentle push is it?

[Flannel Boy]

If he was literate then people would have found out early in his life when he was a merchant. But no one questioned that fact.

I'm sure people did question him. But that doesn't mean that their accounts were recorded. As they say, history is written by the winners, and Muhammad had total victory in the Arab world. Yes that's trite, but I don't think Muhammad or his followers treated those who questioned him very nicely. There's no reason to believe that their personal accounts would have survived.

So what if he was illliterate and a merchant?? It is possible to be successfull like that.

Heck, isn't one of the NHL coaches illiterate? How did he manage to run his team for so many years?

Our modern numeric system didn't exist at the time. A merchant--dealing with dollars amounts, volumes, measures, and weights--would need to be at least semi-literate unless he wanted to be swindled badly.

Demers could actually read and write a little. But as a coach, he mostly dealt orally with players and scouts. A more analogous situations would be an illiterate general manager who has to put together multi million dollar contracts.

[demi]

that quote

i love castle007. best poster on here

[castle007]

that quote

i love castle007. best poster on here

for all the wrong and misunderstood reasons  :'(

[Kestastrophe]

demi, why doesn't Castle have the tag "gentle pusher" yet?

[demi]

because it makes sense

[castle007]

you guys are assholes  :'(

[Flannel Boy]

We moved too far off-topic.

Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

[Crushed]

you guys are assholes  :'(

we're clearly being rebellious women, it is right as a man to commence the hitting

[castle007]

We moved too far off-topic.

Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

I already explained that on the last page

[Crushed]

Yeah, don't you remember? Allah said no.

[brawndolicious]

We moved too far off-topic.
Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

I already explained that on the last page

yeah, but we pointed out all the problems with that and you still didn't change your opinion.

[Flannel Boy]

We moved too far off-topic.

Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

I already explained that on the last page

I said no convoluted hypotheticals. Look, if two lesbians are the last two people on Earth, no adoption for them (see what I did there?). WE AGREE!

[castle007]

We moved too far off-topic.
Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

I already explained that on the last page

yeah, but we pointed out all the problems with that and you still didn't change your opinion.

lol what? You are hoping that I change my opinion? Sorry dude, not going to happen  

[demi]

why would castle change his opinion? it just makes sense

[Crushed]

Changing opinion is for inferior women and infidels.

[Flannel Boy]

Let me be more explicit: In you hypotheticals, reproductive technology is not available. But in the real world, it is! Why can't gay people--in the real world--use this technology to have children of their own?

In your hyptheticals there are no children without homes. But in the real world, there are! Why can't gay people--in the real world--adopt these children?

[Veidt]

Changing opinion is for inferior women and infidels.

I hate these sort of threads, but let me just correct one thing:
 "Infidel" was used by the crusaders against the Muslims/Jews [ and evidently against Non-European Christians]. There's no such word for non-believers in Islam.

"Kuf'r" means :
To Reject/Deny

So please people, for the love of GOD, stop attaching that word to Islam.

You can all go back to your partisan politics now.

[Flannel Boy]

Changing opinion is for inferior women and infidels.

I hate these sort of threads, but let me just correct one thing:
 "Infidel" was used by the crusaders against the Muslims/Jews [ and evidently against Non-European Christians]. There's no such word for non-believers in Islam.

"Kuf'r" means :
To Reject/Deny

So please people, for the love of GOD, stop attaching that word to Islam.

You can all go back to your partisan politics now.

Infidel is obviously an English word, but it means roughly the the same thing as kuf'r. Posters on a forum populated by English speakers are not going to use the Arabic word, but instead its English equivalent. Don't get your panties in a knot.

[Barry Egan]

We moved too far off-topic.
Castle, why can't a gay couple raise children? Don't use convoluted hypotheticals!

I already explained that on the last page

yeah, but we pointed out all the problems with that and you still didn't change your opinion.

lol what? You are hoping that I change my opinion? Sorry dude, not going to happen  

cool dude 

[Bildi]

Plus, who doesn't like to yell "INFIDEL!"?  It's just too awesome a word to pass up.

[Bildi]

yeah, but we pointed out all the problems with that and you still didn't change your opinion.

Opinions heavily founded in dogma will never be changed by simple logic.  I'm a little surprised you'd think that.

[castle007]

Let me be more explicit: In you hypotheticals, reproductive technology is not available. But in the real world, it is! Why can't gay people--in the real world--use this technology to have children of their own?

In your hyptheticals there are no children without homes. But in the real world, there are! Why can't gay people--in the real world--adopt these children?

So because we have the technology we should allow them??

And as for adopting, you can't solve a problem by creating another problem. If you allow gay people to adopt kids, these kids will grow up in environments less ideal than that of a good heterosexual couple!!

These kids will be ridiculed all the time and they will face so much rejection and suffer psychological damage.

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other. A kid needs both masculine and feminine nurturing. While a gay couple can try to provide that environment it will never be enough because they will simply retain the masculine/feminine part of their personality, whether it is the physical appearance, the voice, the interaction, etc... It would just confuse the hell out of the kid.


Instead of saying "Oh no, there are so many orphans!! We should give them to gay couples" we should concentrate on the reason why these kids became orphans in the first place. We need to educate people about the dangers of unsafe sex (especially teenagers), tell them to wait until they are a little more older and wiser. We should educate couples about the beauties of the having kids and raising them. It is sad that some people now prefer having dogs over kids!! We need to solve these problems, and we need to make the adoption process easier for people!! A lot of people are just overwhelmed by the whole process!!

Since I believe that being in a gay relationship leads to nowhere, why should we allow them to adopt children instead of fixing the problems that lead these kids being orphans??

You can't fix a problem by adding more problems

[castle007]

Changing opinion is for inferior women and infidels.

I hate these sort of threads, but let me just correct one thing:
 "Infidel" was used by the crusaders against the Muslims/Jews [ and evidently against Non-European Christians]. There's no such word for non-believers in Islam.

"Kuf'r" means :
To Reject/Deny

So please people, for the love of GOD, stop attaching that word to Islam.

You can all go back to your partisan politics now.

also, the term "Holy War" doesn't even exist in Islam. It was also started by the crusaders

[Kestastrophe]

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other.

[demi]

WOW that post just threw me for a loop

I love it

[Barry Egan]

So because we have the technology we should allow them??

yes???!?!

[Crushed]

And as for adopting, you can't solve a problem by creating another problem. If you allow gay people to adopt kids, these kids will grow up in environments less ideal than that of a good heterosexual couple!!

These kids will be ridiculed all the time and they will face so much rejection and suffer psychological damage.

Yeah, they'd be ridiculed for being seen as "strange." If it's accepted as normal, then suddenly there's much less ridicule.

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other. A kid needs both masculine and feminine nurturing. While a gay couple can try to provide that environment it will never be enough because they will simply retain the masculine/feminine part of their personality, whether it is the physical appearance, the voice, the interaction, etc... It would just confuse the hell out of the kid.

What the hell are you talking about?

Excuse me, Jahannam.

[castle007]

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other.

I don't mean that in the corny "you complete me" way!! There needs to be a balance in the household that will create equality and you need opposites to do that. You need the masculine side and you need the feminie side, these sides complete each other when they raise a child, because each part helps in raising the child in their own way.

I know this sounds lame, but look at a magnet. Opposites attract, same sides create friction and can never settle.

[demi]

what will the child think when he sees daddy beating up mommy?

[Kestastrophe]

I know this sounds lame, but look at a magnet. Opposites attract, same sides create friction and can never settle.

i always wondered

spoiler (click to show/hide)

omg you can't be fo real

[close]

[Crushed]

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other.

I don't mean that in the corny "you complete me" way!! There needs to be a balance in the household that will create equality and you need opposites to do that. You need the masculine side and you need the feminie side, these sides complete each other when they raise a child, because each part helps in raising the child.

I know this sounds lame, but look at a magnet. Opposites attract, same sides create friction and can never settle.

So you're saying that gay people can't be happy with each other, and your example is the interaction between lumps of magnetized iron.

[Flannel Boy]

So because we have the technology we should allow them??

you skirted my question.

And as for adopting, you can't solve a problem by creating another problem. If you allow gay people to adopt kids, these kids will grow up in environments less ideal than that of a good heterosexual couple!!

Why are they less than ideal? Many heterosexual homes--like the one I grew up in--are less than ideal.

These kids will be ridiculed all the time and they will face so much rejection and suffer psychological damage.

Kids are ridiculed all the time. Some kids are ridiculed for having different religions, like Islam! Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to have exotic religions lest kids make fun of their children! (see what i did there?)

And part of the reason they'll be ridiculed is because of closed minded, dogmatic fools like you condemning behavior simply because it's forbidden by your Holy Books!

Instead of saying "Oh no, there are so many orphans!! We should give them to gay couples" we should concentrate on the reason why these kids became orphans in the first place. We need to educate people about the dangers of unsafe sex (especially teenagers), tell them to wait until they are a little more older and wiser. We should educate couples about the beauties of the having kids and raising them. It is sad that some people now prefer having dogs over kids!! We need to solve these problems, and we need to make the adoption process easier for people!! A lot of people are just overwhelmed by the whole process!!

Since I believe that being in a gay relationship leads to nowhere, why should we allow them to adopt children instead of fixing the problems that lead these kids being orphans??

You can't fix a problem by adding more problems

It's a good idea to try to prevent problems before they happen. But, in the real world again, children need parents. And none of what you wrote indicates that gay couples would make inferior parents.

[demi]

castle makes sense. opposites attract. you obviously cant put a penis in a penis

[Barry Egan]

So you're saying that gay people can't be happy with each other, and your example is the interaction between lumps of magnetized iron.

 

[Crushed]

castle makes sense. opposites attract. you obviously cant put a penis in a penis

Never seen Kids in a Sandbox?

[castle007]

Yeah, they'd be ridiculed for being seen as "strange." If it's accepted as normal, then suddenly there's much less ridicule.

What the hell are you talking about?

Excuse me, Jahannam.

This is the problem with many societies, they can't even solve their own problems so they take the easier way and make everything acceptable.


And about the second part, if a gay parent wants to provide feminine nurturing, he will always retain a part of his masculinity (voice, appearance, etc..) and it wouldn't be enough. It would never equal the amount of love that a caring mother would give.

[Crushed]

This is the problem with many societies, they can't even solve their own problems so they take the easier way and make everything acceptable.

Seriously, we can't even solve our problems of black people and homosexuals, so we make them acceptable and don't stone and enslave them. Why can't we learn.

And about the second part, if a gay parent wants to provide feminine nurturing, he will always retain a part of his masculinity (voice, appearance, etc..) and it wouldn't be enough. It would never equal the amount of love that a caring mother would give.

I'm sure plenty of single fathers would agree with you!

[demi]

do you assume all gay people have feminine voices? lol

[Flannel Boy]

forgot this part

They will grow up with parents who don't complete each other. A kid needs both masculine and feminine nurturing. While a gay couple can try to provide that environment it will never be enough because they will simply retain the masculine/feminine part of their personality, whether it is the physical appearance, the voice, the interaction, etc... It would just confuse the hell out of the kid.

There's no psychological evidence for your assertions. Plenty of boys are raised in single-family homes by their mothers. These boys aren't any more "feminine" on average than boys raised in two parent homes.

And children can find role models in other places, through teachers, aunts and uncles, siblings, etc.

To be consistent, you would make single family homes illegal?

[Kestastrophe]

This is the problem with many societies, they can't even solve their own problems so they take the easier way and make everything acceptable.

It would never equal the amount of love that a caring mother would give.