Sarkozy: Burqas Are 'Not Welcome' In France

[castle007]

On my way home, I walked past six young women in short-shorts and tank tops. If it wasn't for the groceries I was holding, I wouldn't have been able to control my urges.

Dude, you have to fight them URGES!

And to Malek, you keep saying that the dress codes are sexists because they don't apply to men. Have you ever seen gulf clothing for men?? It is a long Thobe(dishdasha) that covers everything except the hands, and the head. almost everyone wears one.

Fyi, as a man you are required to wear the dishdashah and head scarf in schools, government departments and banks. Wearing sleeveless shirts and any type of shorts (even Bermuda) is banned in all those places & in all shopping malls (up until 10 years ago, regular jeans was also banned).

When inside malls, you'll see a disciplenary force unit (one sheikh and two officers) everywhere making sure men are in inside mosques around prayer time and that they're not attempting to give women or families any sort of trouble. One stray look in front of those freaks and you're arrested.  Up until a few years ago, if you're a guy and you're hair is long those guys have the right to arrest you and force you to shave, if you don't comply they'll use the shaver in their headquarters to shave your head (sometimes only shaving a single line right in the middle for chuckles).

Last but not least, as an extreme measure to prevent harassment of women, most shopping malls and public places are for women and families only. There's only one mall in my city that allows single men inside.

So yeah, the restriction and limitations are everywhere, but those I mentioned have no relevancy to human right activists.

But I think this only applies for Saudi Arabia (I don't agree with A LOT of their laws). I don't think it is a requirement for the rest of the gulf countries and other islamic countries around the world.

[Flannel Boy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thawb

It is typically worn by men in the Arabian Peninsula and some surrounding countries. It is normally made of cotton, but heavier materials such as sheep's wool can also be used, especially in colder climates.

It is used specifically for this garment in the Persian Gulf States.

In Morocco, the sleeves tend to be a lot shorter so that the thawb/ thobe may seem more like a long T-shirt and is locally called gandora

[Flannel Boy]

I don't know how relevant the situation of rich Saudi women is to the plight of Muslim women in general. But your sisters' roles are pretty much reduced to spitting out babies while barred from most working environments. No stereotypical gender roles enforced there!

Harsh. They're not rich, that's your average Saudi lady according to statistics I can't provide at the moment lol. My sisters who have already graduated have different jobs (bank, university, and IT department). I can't deny that there's still a difference in offered job opportunities, but they're more related to how the government works as opposed to religious guidelines. That is something that's being worked on, as shown by the year over year increase in job opportunities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

women make up just 5% of the workforce in Saudi Arabia,[7] the lowest proportion in the world.

However women are not banned from employment, they are disallowed to work in a mixed sex workplace.[13] The permission for a woman to go out of her house for work, is subject to other conditions, some of them are:

   1. The woman should need to work in order to acquire money she needs.
   2. The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no interaction with non-mahram men, such as if she works in teaching girls, whether in administration or technical support.
   3. The work should be suited to the woman's body physique and mentality.
   4. That should not lead to her neglecting her household duties.
   5. Her work should not lead to her travelling without a close male relative.
   6. Women are allowed to work with their husbands' permission only.[14][15][16][17]

It is not considered permissible for women to be appointed as judges.[18] Positions of high public office is also reserved for men

Great progress. Good jon

[castle007]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thawb

It is typically worn by men in the Arabian Peninsula and some surrounding countries. It is normally made of cotton, but heavier materials such as sheep's wool can also be used, especially in colder climates.

It is used specifically for this garment in the Persian Gulf States.

In Morocco, the sleeves tend to be a lot shorter so that the thawb/ thobe may seem more like a long T-shirt and is locally called gandora

and yet you skipped over the part about there being islamic rules about the length of the thawbs, which suggests that is an approved dress in islam  

and yes, the Malek comment about Jinfash's sisters was very rude.

[Flannel Boy]

and yet you skipped over the part about there being islamic rules about the length of the thawbs, which suggests that is an approved dress in islam  

Approved? But required? You said that men are only required to cover their chests and the area between their waists and knees. This regional clothing  goes much further than is required. obviously extra modesty beyond what is required is always approved of in any religion.

[brawndolicious]

are we talking about women's rights as muslims in the west or in the middle-east?  Obviously, there's big differences between what the government "religiously requires" for cultural reasons and what the literal text requires.

That's also why I brought up the point about the Hadiths versus the Koran.  It seems that a lot of the more hardline social rules are in the Hadiths (such as the 72 virgins for martyrs thing) which strongly suggests to me that they were fabricated by opportunists and apologists.  As for the Koran, it at least seems like Mohammad was trying to make up rules that were actually good for the general public.  Obviously, it's written for 1400 years ago but it still seems much more balanced than a lot of the Hadiths.

I don't remember where the ban on women judges comes from though.  I know that they have it in Iran too though since my friend argued that the justification for it is that since women use the right side of their brain more that they are more "emotional" and less logical but then of course men are apparently sex hounds when they see bare arms so yeah.  Not allowing women into politics is obviously a horrible double-standard though.

[Herr Mafflard]

This is just another instance of the short-man inferiority complex that Sarkozy has.

Man can't satisfy his trophy wife, so he's waving his tiny cock around like the lord baron, impressing on us his hardline politics.

The look I always see on his face when he's with her makes me believe otherwise.

He's French. Their men are born with a permanently imprinted, self-satisfied look on their faces.

[Fresh Prince]

borys with women = castle007 with men. This forum has achieved balance.

[brawndolicious]

we do need more lesbs.

[Fresh Prince]

Actually demi = rodi, balance achieved. Everybody else pretends to be gay and TVC left  :'(

[Flannel Boy]

Actually demi = rodi, balance achieved. Everybody else pretends to be gay and TVC left  :'(

Yes--pretend.