Author Topic: Is there a better series than Zelda in the History of Video games? (Read 9176 times)

There are like, four bad Castlevania games, and they're all 3D. There are more good Castlevania games than good Zelda games. Don't make me pull out the 3DO titles.

Diablos · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2006, 05:30:41 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 10, 2006, 04:04:42 PM

no

my god, shut the fuck up

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2006, 06:29:18 PM »

Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2006, 05:26:55 PM

There are like, four bad Castlevania games, and they're all 3D. There are more good Castlevania games than good Zelda games. Don't make me pull out the 3DO titles.

That's CDi, not 3D0.

Even if you include them (which I don't see why anyone would), I think Zelda still comes off with the better good:bad ratio.

Himu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2006, 06:30:55 PM »

Well, the only Zelda I don't like is Adventures of Link.

I think Zelda has amazing game design, one of the finest..but best series? I dunno. There are too many good series out there to compare.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2006, 06:32:21 PM »

3D zeldas are shit, bring on the oracles. Lol fanboys go home.

Beezy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:18:50 PM »

Zelda owns everything. I'll be buying the GC version of TP this week.

I'd play the Oracle games if I could find them. I might have to go the emulator route...

Mupepe · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:24:50 PM »

I've never really LOVED the 3D Zeldas like other people. Give me my 2D Zeldas plz

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:28:00 PM »

I feel like I'm the opposite of most people in this thread. The first Zelda I played was OOT and I loved it. I went back to ALTTP to the past and thought it was only alright. Zelda 1 was almost unplayable. Those are really the only two 2D Zeldas I've played. Meh.

Cyanista · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:29:17 PM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on December 10, 2006, 04:50:05 PM

METAL GEAR.

Metal gear is it's only competition.

Himu · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:30:11 PM »

Both 2d and 3d Zelda are awesome.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:32:29 PM »

Castlevania > Metal Gear > Zelda

Beezy · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2006, 07:32:29 PM

Castlevania > Metal Gear > Zelda

LOL

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:35:55 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2006, 07:34:15 PM

Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2006, 07:32:29 PM
Castlevania > Metal Gear > Zelda

LOL

Yeah, you're right.

Castlevania > Zelda > Metal Gear

etiolate · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:38:54 PM »

METROID

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:43:15 PM »

Castlevania does Metroid better than Metroid, plus it has vampire hookers and shit.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM »

Agreed. Metroid is lol

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:06:20 PM »

I love the 2d zeldas but no other series made the transition from 2d to 3d so well while retaining the same gameplay. And all you guys who sat Metal Gear solid, the NES game blows and dont even get me started with the card game for the PSP.

You don't see any Zelda card battles do you?

TVC15 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:06:50 PM »

3D Zeldas are vastly inferior to the 2D ones.

And despite getting kinda tired of the Metroidvania formula, I do prefer Castlevania to Zelda. Best series of games? Diablo? Warcraft? Metal Gear? Mario? DQ? FF? When any of those series have their A game on, I prefer them to Zelda.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:07:55 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:06:50 PM

3D Zeldas are vastly inferior to the 2D ones.

Please explain why.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM

Agreed. Metroid is lol

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Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:10:43 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Agreed. Metroid is lol

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The only really good games in that franchise are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime imo

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:11:26 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:10:43 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Agreed. Metroid is lol

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The only really good games in that franchise are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime imo

Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission are both just as good as the Metroidvanias on GBA/DS. I also like the futuristic setting more, but that's me. Castlevania as a whole is probably a better series just due to its quantity.

Christopher · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:13:11 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:10:43 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Agreed. Metroid is lol

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The only really good games in that franchise are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime imo

Your "taste" is littered with shitty JRPGs, and subpar Sega games, denied.

Vizzys · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:14:12 PM »

Wow himuro must hate good games :/

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:17:52 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 10, 2006, 08:07:55 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:06:50 PM
3D Zeldas are vastly inferior to the 2D ones.

Please explain why.

They're shorter and 3d without a jump button doesn't feel right. I don't care if the dungeons and world aren't designed with jumping in mind, giving me a 3d world and largely limiting the player to one plane is a cocktease.

Also, each of the 3d Zelda games has its own, unique flaws.

TooT - Frame rate.
MM - I did not play it when it came out. I tried it on GC and the time mechanic wasn't doing it for me and the graphics were too dated, so I can't accurately judge it.
WW - Sailing. The late game fetch quest. The prime offender for shortness, too. And easiness.
TP - Looks dated and it at least starts off slow. Waggle.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #36 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:25:56 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:17:52 PM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 10, 2006, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:06:50 PM
3D Zelda's are vastly inferior to the 2D ones.

Please explain why.

They're shorter and 3d without a jump button doesn't feel right. I don't care if the dungeons and world aren't designed with jumping in mind, giving me a 3d world and largely limiting the player to one plane is a cocktease.

Also, each of the 3d Zelda games has its own, unique flaws.

TooT - Frame rate.
MM - I did not play it when it came out. I tried it on GC and the time mechanic wasn't doing it for me and the graphics were too dated, so I can't accurately judge it.
WW - Sailing. The late game fetch quest. The prime offender for shortness, too. And easiness.
TP - Looks dated and it at least starts off slow. Waggle.

I never noticed frame rate problems with Ocirina, but i guess i was having too much fun enjoying the game to let frame rate bother me. Thats like saying Dances with Wolves sucks because the buffalo looked fake.

Wind Waker did suck in my opinion, but TP is fucking amazing. I'm in the sixth dungeon (out of 10??)and 40 hours into it. I would bet you haven't put very much into TP because the waggle works so effectively. Throughout the game you learn sword moves that require waggle and they are seamlessly added. Doing the spin attack on TP is so much better than charging it up. Also, how can you say the graphics suck. Compared to Gears of War yea they suck, but the art and the style of the game are amazing. Stop being a graphics whore, they get the job done. I dont bitch about Link's awakening because Link to the Past had better graphics.

And lastly, how can you say the game limits player to one plane. Just cause you cant jump a few feet into the air? Jesus did you ever play long enough to get the hook shot? Or the Zora suit? The game is a giant puzzle, as the series has been. I have never ran through hyrule field and said "Why cant I jump" cause it feels right without it. If you want to jump play mario.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #37 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:30:51 PM »

The Heretic/ Hexen series is better than Zelda

brawndolicious · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:32:39 PM »

...MP is hella better.

You are a fucking little shit.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:33:18 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on December 10, 2006, 08:30:51 PM

The Heretic/Hexan series is better than Zelda

I remember buying Hexan 64 for $5 at blockbuster back in the day. Such a waste of my money.

TVC15 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:36:22 PM »

I haven't played much TP yet. I've barely started it. And sorry, it looks bad. It looks bad even for a GC game. The textures are really awful in the environment (though the characters, and their modeling, is excellent). The game has its visual high points, but overall I find the game kinda displeasing to look at.

All the 2d games have artwork that is simple, effective, and timeless. The 3D games, particularly Ocarina, which was once hailed as the greatest game of all time, looks poor to the point of being unplayable. I think TP due to its muddy textures will suffer the same fate. WW won't since it went with a style that's not reliant on detailed texture maps.

3d games should have a jump button. Being unable to jump is a holdover from the 2d games that does not work in 3d. If you think the puzzles are good now, imagine the things they could do if they added a jump button. It would also open up more combat possibilities. The series has held on to not jumping through the course of 4 3d games now, and it feels just as unnatural as it did in OoT.

And believe me, I am hardly a graphics whore, but I do have standards, and I know Nintendo can make very good looking games. OoT was great looking in its day. WW is still astounding and unique looking. TP is, at best, extremely uneven. I expect Nintendo's flagship titles to be the best looking on their systems, and TP doesn't even stack up as an impressive looking GC game.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:44:17 PM »

Zelda with platforming elements (through use of a jump button) would be revolutionary for the series base. Which says a lot.

I do enjoy it though, like how I enjoy Suikoden games. Its nice seeing the games refreshed visually while still retaining familiar elements.

Beezy · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:47:09 PM »

Zelda with a jump button?

*brain explodes*

Himu · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:47:46 PM »

Quote from: Christopher on December 10, 2006, 08:13:11 PM

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Agreed. Metroid is lol

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The only really good games in that franchise are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime imo

Your "taste" is littered with shitty JRPGs, and subpar Sega games, denied.

Says the person who likes Sonic Adventure!

And I don't see what's wrong with what I said at all. MP and SP ARE the best in the series. I guess I was too hard on it when I said it, but MP and SP are the only truly CLASSIC Metroid games. The others are merely good.

I never got the Metroid love. It's an okay series riddled with only a few really great entries. Not to mention, every single Metroid feels the same, has the same weapons;etc. Atleast Zelda tries to spice it up with new weapons on the regular. In Metroid all the enviroments in almost all the games feel recycled, so it's as if you're reexperiencing the same old thing over and over agian.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:49:26 PM »

It's not CLASSIC. It's just fucking good.

TVC15 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:50:40 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on December 10, 2006, 08:44:17 PM

Zelda with platforming elements (through use of a jump button) would be revolutionary for the series base. Which says a lot.

I do enjoy it though, like how I enjoy Suikoden games. Its nice seeing the games refreshed visually while still retaining familiar elements.

Same here, I enjoyed OoT in its day, although I didn't think it was OMG greatest game ever like many people did. The month it came out, I spent more time playing Brave Fencer Musashi. I also enjoyed the dungeons in Wind Waker. A lot of the game was a mess, but it got the dungeons right. I'm assuming I will also enjoy TP's, although it's taken a long ass time to get to the first dungeon, and I've been told that the other between dungeon segments are mostly equally as slow.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #46 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:50:57 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: Christopher on December 10, 2006, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2006, 08:08:40 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Agreed. Metroid is lol

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The only really good games in that franchise are Super Metroid and Metroid Prime imo

Your "taste" is littered with shitty JRPGs, and subpar Sega games, denied.

Says the person who likes Sonic Adventure!

And I don't see what's wrong with what I said at all. MP and SP ARE the best in the series. I guess I was too hard on it when I said it, but MP and SP are the only truly CLASSIC Metroid games. The others are merely good.

I never got the Metroid love. It's an okay series riddled with only a few really great entries.

When Metroid came out, it was revolutionary. Metroid 2 from what I hear was a pretty cool game for GB. Super Metroid is one of the greatest games ever made. Metroid Prime was amazing as well, but MP2 was disappointing. Both Metroid Fusion and Metroid: Zero Mission are great games. Maybe if Nintendo came out with a 2D Metroid every year you'd like it as much as Castlevania?

Vizzys · « **Reply #47 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:52:19 PM »

Metroid 2 for Game boy was indeed awesome, one of the first games I remember owning actually.

Himu · « **Reply #48 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:52:56 PM »

No, that's not the case at all. But that makes the Metroid series even more disappointing. They're a rarity, and when you do play them they haven't evolved the formula one bit.

Beezy · « **Reply #49 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:53:05 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:50:40 PM

The month it came out, I spent more time playing Brave Fencer Musashi.

The infamous Zelda killer?

I don't even understand how you did that. I played through Musashi over this past summer for the first time and it was really short.

TVC15 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:55:03 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2006, 08:53:05 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 10, 2006, 08:50:40 PM
The month it came out, I spent more time playing Brave Fencer Musashi.

The infamous Zelda killer?

I don't even understand how you did that. I played through Musashi over the summer for the first time and it was really short.

I forget the details - it was so long ago - but I came into possession of both games on the same week, and I found myself spending more time on Musashi than on Zelda. I played through it first, despite expecting to be bowled over by Zelda due to the insane hype. I loved that game, and I wish the sequel wasn't such a piece of middling crap.

Himu · « **Reply #51 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:55:52 PM »

Musashi is pretty damn good.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #52 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:56:59 PM »

Musashi II apparently sux, but the original was back. Produced back when Square tried things in different genres

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #53 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:57:45 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 10, 2006, 08:52:56 PM

No, that's not the case at all. But that makes the Metroid series even more disappointing. They're a rarity, and when you do play them they haven't evolved the formula one bit.

Well fuck, at least the series has one awesome 3D iteration, something Castlevania can't say. Plus, haven't you played through all 200 or so Mega Man games? I'd imagine that'd get old after a while.

Beezy · « **Reply #54 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:58:43 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 10, 2006, 08:56:59 PM

Produced back when Square tried things in different genres

R.I.P

TVC15 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:59:11 PM »

I'm probably in the extreme minority, but I sorta dug the first N64 3d Castlevania.

Himu · « **Reply #56 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:59:36 PM »

Megaman doesn't recycle enviroments duder.

And I'm not even debating Metroid vs CV here, I'm talking about Metroid as a whole here man.

Vizzys · « **Reply #57 on:** December 10, 2006, 08:59:53 PM »

* Viz pulls out the cross

Himu · « **Reply #58 on:** December 10, 2006, 09:00:16 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 10, 2006, 08:56:59 PM

Musashi II apparently sux, but the original was back. Produced back when Square tried things in different genres

Please don't say it like that maf.

I miss old Square.

Beezy · « **Reply #59 on:** December 10, 2006, 09:09:07 PM »

According to IGN, there's only one franchise better than Zelda.

Top 25 videogame franchises according to IGN editors:

#25 - Virtua Fighter
#24 - Half-Life
#23 - Donkey Kong
#22 - Tetris
#21 - Command & Conquer
#20 - Mega Man
#19 - Sonic
#18 - Chrono Series
#17 - Pokemon
#16 - Tom Clancy Series
#15 - Madden
#14 - Dungeons & Dragons
#13 - Grand Theft Auto
#12 - Street Fighter
#11 - Star Wars
#10 - Civilization
#09 - Sim
#08 - Metroid
#07 - Resident Evil
#06 - Warcraft
#05 - Metal Gear Solid
#04 - Castlevania
#03 - Final Fantasy
#02 - Legend of Zelda
#01 - Mario

http://cube.ign.com/articles/749/749076p1.html

LOL at this list with me!

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Author Topic: Is there a better series than Zelda in the History of Video games? (Read 9176 times)

Diablos