Author Topic: Now on home video with an extra 30 minutes, what do we think about WATCHMEN?  (Read 6299 times)

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I always thought Watchmen was an enjoyable movie.

The additions will probably help flesh the movie out. Specifically, I've seen the Night Owl death scene and it's pretty well done, if somewhat disturbing.

Supernerds will probably wait for the five-disc set coming out in December. Let's milk this baby until dust emerges from the udders.

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I remember being pretty jazzed by that fantastic trailer that played in front of The Dark Knight, but the finished product felt pretty flat.  I am interested in watching it after I've put some distance between the theatrical run (and all the hype that accompanied it) and the director's cut.
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I am interested in watching it after I've put some distance between the theatrical run (and all the hype that accompanied it) and the director's cut.

Same here, even though I liked the movie.
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Why would you waste time with this shit when the infinitely better and more enjoyable Watchmen experience will be available on Xbox 360.
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I don't think adding more to a film that already felt too loong is the answer

like Willco said in the Harry Potter thread, blindly following the source material isn't necessarily going to make a worthwhile movie. Two completely different mediums.

going back to the Kermode review, Moore's V for Vendetta at least worked as a movie because that's what they set out to make - something that follows the conventions of film.

Watchmen didnt do this. So consequently, for a movie featuring an extraordinary plot and characters, it felt, at times, unecessarily dull and drab.  

Looking back, I did appreciate the movie. Though most of my enjoyment stemmed from the oft unintentional humor (mostly a couple of badly placed songs) and bubblegum feel of the film.

In short, decent, but I couldn't take it seriously. Even though some of its more macabre themes made me want to.

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It's really boring and I'd rather watch Transformers 2.
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Buy Coraline instead.
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Thought the movie was already too long, I can't imagine sitting through another 30 min of it.
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Buy Coraline instead.

I can get behind this.

... to the Watchmen criticism, while I felt it was dull and long, I really don't remember unintentional humor.  If anything, it was pretty humorless.
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Saw it, exact same shit as before.

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Buy Coraline instead.

I can get behind this.

... to the Watchmen criticism, while I felt it was dull and long, I really don't remember unintentional humor.  If anything, it was pretty humorless.


obviously it wasn't intended to be funny. But there was a certain dry humor to be appreciated from the elongated music scenes. Certainly the Hallelujah scene (prob intentional),  and the All Along the Watchtower scene - which felt like watching a fan-made music video (prob unintentional).

Like I said, the bubblegum feel of the film made it hard to distinguish what we were supposed to find funny and what we were supposed to take seriously.

In the end, we couldn't take anything seriously in the film.

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I don't think there's any possible way to read the song choice of Hallelujah as anything BUT intentional.  It's meant to be funny, but whether or not it was appropriate is another thing.

I didn't have the problems with music choices that some did, though.  At this point, I connect All Along the Watchtower with Battlestar Galactica, though.
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Watchmen. Fuck this movie.

Did you know Coraline comes out? It's on blu-ray too. That would be a better investment of anyone and everyone's time and money.
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well to an extent, I didn't really have a problem with the music choices in the film either. It just felt a little tacked-on and overlong. 

I mean for the All Along the Watchtower scene, what was to stop him using a short, orchestrated score. It's like he appreciates fanmade amv's on youtube more than traditional filmaking. 


In contrast, this is how you should do it. 

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It helps the movie move along rather than just being there for the sake of historical context or the depressingly obvious references to the lyrics.


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I'd been waiting 25 years for the fucking thing to be made into a movie, and I was horribly disappointed. The RAWR SMASH YOUR FACE SLOW MO ASSKICKING was so out of place, and don't even get me started on the "new and improved" ending.
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I liked it, actually. Ordered the Blu-ray version from DeepDiscount this morning for $17.
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TBH I really didn't like Coraline all that much either..  I mean, it was alright.  Just not my cup of tea.
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Coraline is better than any Harry Potter movie.
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Still a boring pos and Snyder is still a fucking hack.
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still not so great, not so terrible.  Pacing is a bit better, but that doesn't fix all the other problems.  The added scene is really cheesy, which fits in with the rest of the movie.  I would have laughed if they had this in the theatrical version; I'm sure the audience would too.

watch the scene here legally without getting the full movie:

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I'd been waiting 25 years for the fucking thing to be made into a movie, and I was horribly disappointed. The RAWR SMASH YOUR FACE SLOW MO ASSKICKING was so out of place, and don't even get me started on the "new and improved" ending.

Were you the guy who complained about Bubastis? If so, I'm surprised you didn't burn down the theater after seeing the film's ending.

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I think I can live with just renting it. 

Although I would love to loop that part where Lee Iacocca gets shot.  Anyone feel like fulfilling this naive young nihilists fantasy?
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A mostly genuine attempt at adapting the story that doesn't feel terribly satisfying.

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Were you the guy who complained about Bubastis? If so, I'm surprised you didn't burn down the theater after seeing the film's ending.

Yeah, I was man! No Giant Squid, no Bubastis! What the fuck??

:lol I don't get that upset about entertainment outside of the internet. Though this guy was talking to me on the way out on about how mind-blowing the ending was and I was like "yeah well the graphic novel was even MORE mind-blowing, you see there was this giant squid-" and I had to stop because it was like, I was that guy. Willco, basically.
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A mostly genuine attempt at adapting the story that doesn't feel terribly satisfying.

Exactly! Fucking EXACTLY.

I think it would've worked better as a 12 hour miniseries on HBO, or fucking Showtime since they're hot nowadays. It's not a big budget story, it never was!
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I like Coraline because a producer from the company that produced it used to flirt with me at my neighborhood bar sometimes.
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A mostly genuine attempt at adapting the story that doesn't feel terribly satisfying.

Exactly! Fucking EXACTLY.

I think it would've worked better as a 12 hour miniseries on HBO, or fucking Showtime since they're hot nowadays. It's not a big budget story, it never was!

Tread lightly with that comment. I've been mocked on this forum for thinking that something would work better as an HBO miniseries.
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Oh I'm used to being mocked on the internet, mang.
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Oh I'm used to being mocked on the internet, mang.

Just a warning, since our resident movie aficionado thinks he's on a roll lately.  :lol
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Just rented the theatrical version; my brother watched it earlier and said it was weak as fuck. Wouldn't say it was "bad", he just insisted it was horribly disappointing and bland - bad acting etc. I'll watch it tomorrow
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It's really like 5 new minutes. The Night Owl 1 death is really the only major addition. The rest of the thirty minutes is really just some extra dialog and narration. It's not a LOTR EE style extended edition. And it's still dull.
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Hated it in theatres. No need to waste the time to watch Snyder wank for another 24 minutes.

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By the beard of Odin, people are comparing it to Blade Runner over at gaf. smh
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By the beard of Odin, people are comparing it to Blade Runner over at gaf. smh

Some people just need to be thrown into a blast furnace.
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By the beard of Odin, people are comparing it to Blade Runner over at gaf. smh

smh

Edit: Anyway, one of the biggest reasons that Blade Runner was panned initially had more to do with the producers almost destroying the movie with the happy ending and the meandering, pointless narration.
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By the beard of Odin, people are comparing it to Blade Runner over at gaf. smh

Yeah, its pretty sad

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Though this guy was talking to me on the way out on about how mind-blowing the ending was and I was like "yeah well the graphic novel was even MORE mind-blowing, you see there was this giant squid-" and I had to stop because it was like, I was that guy. Willco, basically.

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... but I like the theatrical ending better. ???
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the fucking ultimate edition thats coming out in december is missing features from the version thats out now. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?
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By the beard of Odin, people are comparing it to Blade Runner over at gaf. smh

didn't read that thread, but I really hate it when people try and classify something as underrated or a cult classic or whatever the fuck term this early on. 

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the fucking ultimate edition thats coming out in december is missing features from the version thats out now. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?

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the fucking ultimate edition thats coming out in december is missing features from the version thats out now. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?
... the hell? And I was going to buy the Blu-ray/PS3 game bundle...  :maf
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The Ultimate Edition includes the motion comics, which are superior to the actual movie.
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It also splices in Tales of the Black Freighter!
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Still going to pass. The Star Trek Blu-Ray will still be welded into my PS3 in December.
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I ended up getting this today on Blu-Ray.  My father thought he ordered the DVD version but he got the Blu-Ray version instead...that's what he gets for ordering off the iPhone, I guess.   :lol  So rather then just send it back, he gave it to me.  Not gonna complain!

the fucking ultimate edition thats coming out in december is missing features from the version thats out now. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?

What's the difference between both versions?  Is it just the motion comics and Tales of the Black Freighter?  Why the fuck are people up in arms exactly then?
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The Ultimate Edition is missing the video commentary and all of the extras on the current release.
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i liked the titty scene

dog part was disturbing

story line was fucking complex as shit

i enjoyed it overall.
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I ended up getting this today on Blu-Ray.  My father thought he ordered the DVD version but he got the Blu-Ray version instead...that's what he gets for ordering off the iPhone, I guess.   :lol  So rather then just send it back, he gave it to me.  Not gonna complain!

the fucking ultimate edition thats coming out in december is missing features from the version thats out now. WTF IS THAT ABOUT?

What's the difference between both versions?  Is it just the motion comics and Tales of the Black Freighter?  Why the fuck are people up in arms exactly then?

There's a DVD copy in that Blu-ray disc set, lyte.
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Still not sure what I think of the film. I haven't read the graphic novel, but I get a sense some of the stuff that didn't feel right was trying to stay 'true' to the book instead of adapting the book to work better on film. Transitions were not smooth and whenever it switched back to Rorschach, it felt like a sudden change into noir genre.

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I think Zack Snyder does have some talent that was on display in Watchmen (as much as I loathed 300), it just seems like he has no fucking clue what to do with it.

Watchmen was probably unfilmable if only because a work that tries to deconstruct a medium should probably be left told in the medium it's trying to deconstruct.

I thought it had a series of well made scenes that unfortunately added up to way less than the sum of it's parts. Haven't seen the DC cut yet, as much as the movie was already long it could still use a bit of fleshing out, I don't see the problem with watching extremely long movies in the comfort of your home...you're already here arguing over this movie on a message board, I have a hunch you can spare that extra hour of your life
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Appeals to the slightly distinguished mentally-challenged, degenerate teenage crowd.

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Still not sure what I think of the film. I haven't read the graphic novel, but I get a sense some of the stuff that didn't feel right was trying to stay 'true' to the book instead of adapting the book to work better on film. Transitions were not smooth and whenever it switched back to Rorschach, it felt like a sudden change into noir genre.

I watched it yesterday. I've read the book and agree with the bolded above. There's more to making a "faithful adaptation" than repeating a book's dialogue. Good adaptations capture the essence of their source material; things might be changed around here or there, but ultimately, staying true to the spirit of the work is more important. That's why LOTR works so well imo. If Jackson had taken the Synder approach it would be unwatchable; imagine sitting through a verbatim account of the Council of Elrond.

Nerds often leave theaters disappointed that the adaption was nothing like the source material. Synder seems more obsessed with ensuring that doesn't happen as compared to making a good movie. Now imo, it's not horrible. But the script just sounds so fucking bad. Maybe it's the wooden, emotionless delivery of lines, but I doubt Marlon Brando could make "whatever happened to the American dream?" sound believable. Often there are no pauses or dramatic...anything in the delivery. It's just "so yea...I heard he was working for the government.." yawn. Clearly more time was put into framing shots (which often look great) than working with the actors.

There are some cringe worthy bad scenes here though. Like the part after Rorschach warns Manhattan/Laurie. Laurie wants to go meet Night Owl, and Manhattan goes into this long, wooden scientific lecture about...whatever. Something that comes with the territory in a comic book. But it just sucks the fucking air out of that scene in the movie. It's the type of thing that's usually followed by a quick joke to wake the audience up or something. The movie is full of stuff like that though  

Lots of the action is damn cartoony, which meshes poorly with the serious nature of everything else in the movie. In fact, the only saving grace of the movie is the beginning scene/credits scene, and Rorschach. Great character brought to life perfectly. I liked The Comedian as well, for the most part (that rape scene was cringe worthy).

edit: also I thought Manhattan's POV/origin was done very well. That ten or so minute part is great

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I couldn't help but think that the ending was odd. Maybe I'm jaded, but if a US government weapon/uber god went rogue and bombed cities around the world, wouldn't the US be held responsible? I dunno if I can buy Russia kissing and making up in that situation.
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I couldn't help but think that the ending was odd. Maybe I'm jaded, but if a US government weapon/uber god went rogue and bombed cities around the world, wouldn't the US be held responsible? I dunno if I can buy Russia kissing and making up in that situation.
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I saw it as being more like making it appear that Dr. Manhattan got fed up with humanity in general and decided to exact a little righteous vengeance, leaving the leaders of the world worried that he might come back at any time and do the same thing over again if things don't start changing for the better.

Kind of rough, but you get the idea.
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The Directors Cut was fucking pointless.  I wish I there was a source on the internet I could trust that would tell me if one should watch the Directors Cut or original version.  Unfortunately internet people always love the Directors Cut because it's the true version and not corporate and commercial.   
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