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This came out this week, and it's basically the pilot episode of SG-1 re-edited to remove the nudity that Showtime demanded, re-done effects, and ALL of Teal'c's dialog redone.

Gateworld has a huge review detailing everything added/removed/changed:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/07/review-stargate-sg-1-children-of-the-gods-final-cut/

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The process consisted of several steps.  The Brads returned to archival footage of original dailies, choosing some different takes, trimming some scenes, and restoring material previously cut.  With advances in technology, it was then time to revisit the show’s visual effects — such as making the Stargate puddles look like the bluer, more polished version that emerged as the series went on.  There were also audio issues to revisit, including some dialogue in need of replacement.  And finally, the original episode’s somewhat awkward use of score from the 1994 “Stargate” movie had to be stripped out, and SG-1 composer Joel Goldsmith’s original work allowed to shine.

The result?  Final Cut is a much better movie.  The episode and its story are very much the same, so the nostalgia factor has not been paved over with a new super-highway.  No, this is still the “Children of the Gods” that we know and love — but now it is better.  All those points at which many fans would roll their eyes and think, “Well, it was the first episode — they got better as the show progressed” have been fixed or taken out.

It’s a great example of how a different cut of an episode can dramatically improve the overall quality.  Much of what there is to like here is not just in the new material or improved visual effects — its in those differences that casual viewers (and even long-time fans) wouldn’t notice.  Scenes shift placement; awkward dialogue is excised; and the pace drives the story forward in a more engaging way.

They removed one of the best lines in the series history, which was parodied in "200" in the puppet scene:
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Samantha Carter’s introduction into the Stargate universe stands out like a bit of a sore thumb compared to her characterization later in the series. In particular, that infamous line — “Just because my reproductive organs are on the inside instead of on the outside doesn’t mean I can’t handle anything you can” — is loved by some and hated by others. I think it was bad dialogue, and doesn’t fit with the personality of the Sam Carter we know and love. Thankfully, it’s gone now. Final Cut still presents a strong scene where the character still defends herself to a group of pig-headed male officers, but she doesn’t come across as harsh and snide any more.

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Perhaps most controversial is the removal of the original episode’s full-frontal nudity, as Sha’re is stripped naked before Apophis. This was not merely gratuitous nudity for a 10 p.m. premium cable show; it served the story in depicting the Goa’uld’s grotesque violation of the character. When the symbiote examines Sha’re and then takes her as its host, it is nothing short of rape. Fortunately, all of that is retained and appropriately conveyed without the use of nudity.

Stargate would quickly establish itself as a family show, and I have to agree with Wright — the nudity just didn’t belong there. Whether or not you think Americans are prudish, that’s the culture of North America, and Stargate fans should be able to watch the first episode with their kids.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the story ends on a different note. As a series pilot, the original dovetailed into the following episode by revealing that Kawalsky had been infected by an immature Goa’uld symbiote, who escaped the pouch of a fallen Jaffa. To keep the Final Cut a self-contained movie, both that implantation shot and Kawalsky’s glowing eyes are appropriately removed. Now the story has a satisfying conclusion that focuses on the SG-1 team.

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For years we’ve dealt with a major Stargate inconsistency in the opening sequence: Apophis and his Jaffa come through the gate to Earth, grab a girl and shoot up the place, then turn around and go back through. “But wait,” you say! “Wormholes are one-way. How did Apophis redial the gate (off-screen), especially without access to the base dialing computer?” Maybe he possessed a device like the Nox woman Lya used in “Enigma,” or the future Cassandra in “1969.” Maybe the Jaffa physically turned the gate’s inner track, as we would see Teal’c do many times over the years (e.g. “Prisoners”). That’s all plausible — but since none of these were shown, it was a big, fat inconsistency.

This problem, as old as Stargate itself, has been fixed…ish. However he did it, now we see Apophis shouting an order (in Goa’uld), evidently ordering his men to redial the gate manually; then we hear the deliberate, off-screen sound of the gate redialing.

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One of the tricks of television production is ADR (automated dialogue replacement), or “looping,” in which an actor stands in front of a microphone and re-records certain lines of dialogue (usually due to poor sound conditions on the set). For the Final Cut, Michael Shanks (“Daniel Jackson”) and Amanda Tapping (“Samantha Carter”) were brought in to record new dialogue for one scene. But even more significantly, Christopher Judge (“Teal’c”) looped his entire performance. The difference is astounding, and the new version is vastly better (and not at all jarring). Teal’c now sounds more like the Teal’c of “Threshold,” and less like a chilled actor still trying to find his character’s voice.

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Most of the Stargate puddles in the show have been replaced, though strangely it is a few close-ups — where Jaffa are walking through the gate in the opening — that were not replaced, and now appear antiquated. In 1997 the show was using three different effects houses to get the work done, resulting in three subtly different looks to the Stargate’s event horizon. It took years to reach the crisp, rippling blue that fans are used to now.

No Blu-Ray release yet, but they generally do the Stargate HD discs later than the DVDs.

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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 08:23:45 PM »
Watching this right now and it's at the point where Teal'c helps them escape, and yes all of the Teal'c dialog sounds 100x better than before.
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 09:12:23 PM »
I never really liked the first episode very much, though I thought that season one and two were pretty strong in spite of it. I'll pass on this.
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 09:41:30 PM »
Finished watching it, and it is much better than it was before. Feels more like a late season 2 or even season 3 episode with how they re-edited it, and the ending is much better than before.
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 04:16:11 AM »
Is this series seriously worth watching? A lot of friends got into it, but I don't understand the appeal. Is it pretty heavily long story arc-driven?

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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 04:20:55 AM »
SG-1 is worth it. Atlantis was a mess with big cast changes every season.

SG-1 was the light sci-fi replacement for Star Trek. If you liked TNG you'll probably like SG1 and will be able to get into it. It's not as heavy as something like BSG.
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 09:28:59 AM »
So it's a little arc-driven -- Like Season 3-ish Next Generation? I couldn't stand the first two seasons, but liked seasons 3-5. I've not seen most of 6 or 7 because I was living abroad. Maybe i should watch those first.

I liked the Stargate movie, but thought it was going to be something entirely different than it was. I was pretty sure it would involve time travel, but it was all about the "just like the past but a different planet" thing.

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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 02:58:07 PM »
Hulu has the first five seasons up, but it is missing the first episode:
http://www.hulu.com/stargate-sg-1
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 06:00:21 PM »
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Looks like it shits all of Atlantis so far. Cast looks really awesome.
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Re: Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods Final Cut (Now with no nudity)
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2009, 07:38:33 PM »
Hulu has the first five seasons up, but it is missing the first episode:
http://www.hulu.com/stargate-sg-1

Thanks! I'd use hulu, but:  :japancry

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You know I didn't realize that was McGuyver in the beginning of the trailer. More like McFatter.
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Just finished watching the "standard" (old) version of SG-1's first ep. and thought it was pretty good. There are some bits of dialog that are just hard to understand, so it's neat that they went through such pains to re-record the dialog with the actors.

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Perhaps most controversial is the removal of the original episode’s full-frontal nudity, as Sha’re is stripped naked before Apophis. This was not merely gratuitous nudity for a 10 p.m. premium cable show; it served the story in depicting the Goa’uld’s grotesque violation of the character. When the symbiote examines Sha’re and then takes her as its host, it is nothing short of rape. Fortunately, all of that is retained and appropriately conveyed without the use of nudity.

Stargate would quickly establish itself as a family show, and I have to agree with Wright — the nudity just didn’t belong there. Whether or not you think Americans are prudish, that’s the culture of North America, and Stargate fans should be able to watch the first episode with their kids.

So we should all be able to watch horrible rape scenes with our kids?  ???

That scene is pretty horrible, and it basically relies on the whole objectification preceding the implantation. It's not rape, it's worse than all that. It's murder, if the host retains no sense of themselves afterward. My wife is not a fan of the show now. "What's that horrible show you're watching? I'm going to have nightmares..."

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And that's exactly why they re-did the pilot to bring it in line with the rest of the series. The final cut really is superior to the original for more reasons than just that. The Teal'c stuff especially.
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I'll watch the re-cut version once I've finished season 1. Thanks for the clarification.