What am I missing with the DS?

[Don Flamenco]

Besides lego goat ass...



Everyone on gaf raves that the DS is godly, but I'm either missing the good games or I've played them all.

I've done Bangai-O, Devil Survivor, the Castlevania games, Ninja Gaiden, Planet Puzzle League, Mario Kart, NSMB, mario 64, Electroplankton, Chrono Trigger, all 4 ace attorney games, trauma center, ketsui, Osu 1 and 2, GTA, etc.

Didn't like any of the S-E titles...FF3, 4, DQ games, etc.

I'm not into archaic RPGs or rogue-likes.

Have I pretty much exhausted my options? 

also, I'm thinking of selling my near perfect onyx DS...before I move on, I want to know if I've missed anything.

[Third]

Never played Prof Layton?
Pretty good stuff.

But if you're not interested, sell your DS. Seems you;ve played all the good games already.

[demi]

TWEWY

[tiesto]

Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, Kirby: Canvas Curse, Meteos, Etrian Odyssey 1+2, NY Times Crosswords

[drew]

youre missing the receipt from when you traded it in for cash at gamestop

[Himu]

Everyone on gaf praises ds as godly, and while it's a really good system, people claiming it's on par with ps2 or prevous consoles likes psx, snes, saturn, genesis, whatever really grinds my gears for some reason. There is endless hyperbole when it comes to both ds and psp at gaf, but ds more so. That said, they're still better than all three current gen consoles, that's a fact.

[Don Flamenco]

Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, Kirby: Canvas Curse, Meteos, Etrian Odyssey 1+2, NY Times Crosswords

didn't like, liked, liked, not my kind of games, not into crosswords

I did play TWEWY - it was awesome.  Forgot about that one!

youre missing the receipt from when you traded it in for cash at gamestop

They give you $30 in credit there...I'd rather sell it for like $70 online, giving someone a good deal and coming out ahead.

[drew]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

[Himu]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

Um no

but you're right there's a ridiculous amount of story based Japan games on the ds. This is why I prefer the psp: pick up and play action games are its exertise.

[Bebpo]

DS is a good system outside it being a portable.

Will still play a good, but not great, console HD game over a great portable game anytime I have gaming time.  I only play portable systems in the bathroom anymore or on flights/trains.

portable gaming
console gaming that isn't the Wii

[Don Flamenco]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

NO DREWSY SHU TUP SHU TUP DREWSY  DO U EVEN KNOW THAT KINGDOM HEARTS IS COMING OUT?  IT'S LIKE DISNEY IN DARK EDGY WORLDS

[recursivelyenumerable]

My favorites are TWEWY, Shiren the Wanderer and Knights in the Nightmare.  I guess you've played the first, and the second falls under a genre you dislike ( ) so, uh, try Knights in the Nightmare?  Other than that, Lunar Knights is pretty good, then in a couple weeks there's the remake of SaGa 2  

[Himu]

Bebpo, how do you feel now that you predicted the fate of japan gaming accurately

[Himu]

then in a couple weeks there's the remake of SaGa 2 

You're getting the japanese version? When is it going to be available in English?

[Don Flamenco]

My favorites are TWEWY, Shiren the Wanderer and Knights in the Nightmare.  I guess you've played the first, and the second falls under a genre you dislike ( ) so, uh, try Knights in the Nightmare?  Other than that, Lunar Knights is pretty good, then in a couple weeks there's the remake of SaGa 2  

I played Shiren for a bit and thought it was pretty decent, though I'm not compelled to play it anymore.  I think I mixed up rogue-likes and wizardry-likes (is that a genre?)...first person rpgs

[Himu]

Well Etrian blends Wizardry with a rogue like.

Just call em first person rpgs.

But not all first person rpgs are Wizardry clones.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Yeah, I didn't see the big deal about Etrian Odyssey either.  Shiren is awesome because of all the wacky random shit that can happen, plus great music.

They haven't announced a NA release date for SaGa 2 (if there will even be one).

[Himu]

I really hope we get Saga 2.

[cool breeze]

DS is great.  The only thing I hate is that none of the hardware iterations have been comfortable to hold, and I guess that the 3D games are ugly, and that two screens is completely distinguished mentally-challenged, but whatever.  As for all the praise, well, it has a lot of 2D/old games and is a Nintendo system; it's man-baby mecca.
 

Never played Prof Layton?
Pretty good stuff.

man, I just don't get the appeal of those games.  From the style to the actual puzzles, it's like the games are designed to put you into a comatose state.  

[Beezy]

That said, they're still better than all three current gen consoles, that's a fact.

They never were and they never will be better than the 360. I can't speak on the PS3. Wii sucks.

[Bocsius]

My DS has strictly been a Mario Kart player since January 08. I got it in October 07 to play NSMB, enjoyed it. Picked up Ultimate Mortal Kombat in December, not so much. Got Mario Kart a week later. Fin.

[bork]

My DS has basically been the Phoenix Wright+Castlevania player.  Never really got into anything else, don't bother buying games anymore or even making use of the flashcart I got for it.  The system just sits on my shelf.  Drawn To Life might make me break it out again.

[Third]

What are your expectations for Scribblenauts?

I don't understand the hype. The game looks pretty tiring.

[Van Cruncheon]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

icon drewsy; all is forgiven

[The Fake Shemp]

Is the DS even relevant anymore?

[Eel O'Brian]

clock and calendar apps

[Don Flamenco]

Sounds like you gave it a fair try, man. 

Nothing is going to appeal to everyone.  I know some people that don't like chocolate.

it's not that I don't like it.  It's that I've played a lot, but see people calling it the best thing ever and am wondering if there's more. 

It's a good list of games...I guess I don't get that sentimental about consoles or something. 

[Eel O'Brian]

small game developer:

"I can invest my time and money in a DSiware game which will sell a total of 100 downloads, or I can slap that fucker on the iTunes app store and sell 1000 by the end of the first day. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

[The Fake Shemp]

Apple has been quietly building up momentum with the iPhone as a game platform. That'd be totally weird if it eventually takes over the industry. It'd be totally opposite to Sony's approach.

[Eel O'Brian]

here's how i know they're on to something - i'm actually interested in one, and i don't give a fuck about apple

[drew]

because we all know the top sellers for every industry equals quality

[Don Flamenco]

here's how i know they're on to something - i'm actually interested in one, and i don't give a fuck about apple

interested in the game portion of it?   I wouldn't jump in for that.  I've got games, but am not compelled to play them at all because playing on anything else is better than playing on the iphone. 

Everything else the thing does is a different story, though...


oh and...sooo..like...who wants to buy a DS Lite black for $70?  It's in near perfect shape. 

[drew]

you should have traded it in back when ng2 came out

its how i paid for the game ($60 trade in value)

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I was playing the DS when I was waiting for me name to be called in the hospital. Good stuff.

[tiesto]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

So what if I am a weeaboo and do like 2D sprites?

I still like the DS waaaay more than the 3 actual consoles. And you're smokin crack if you think the DS is worse than Game Gear, Lynx, GBC, etc.

[demi]

I was playing the DS when I was waiting for me name to be called in the hospital. Good stuff.

u getting that operation done?

[drew]

junpeii is too poor to get an operation done

[Beezy]

the ds is the worst handheld ever made, and is a worse videogame product than the wii

its only good if youre a weaboo and like cutesy wutesy wittle twoodee shitty sprites

So what if I am a weeaboo and do like 2D sprites?

I'd like it a bit more if more games were 2D instead shitty PS1/N64 quality 3D.

[MCD]

My DS has basically been the Phoenix Wright+Castlevania player.  Never really got into anything else, don't bother buying games anymore or even making use of the flashcart I got for it.  The system just sits on my shelf.  Drawn To Life might make me break it out again.

mostly the same here.

we really need more of Castlevania and PW.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I actually really dig the low-poly/low-res style of 3D on PS1 and DS.  I think effective use of limited resources can make an appealing aesthetic on its own.  (also I the Low Poly Challenge board on polycount.net, http://boards.polycount.net/forumdisplay.php?f=58)  All this bitching I see about it makes me

[demi]

You are just a unique snowflake

[Don Flamenco]

you should have traded it in back when ng2 came out

its how i paid for the game ($60 trade in value)

that was like 2 years ago, I don't even think I had one then (I've owned them on and off for a while)

[Jabberwocky]

I've done Bangai-O, Devil Survivor, the Castlevania games, Ninja Gaiden, Planet Puzzle League, Mario Kart, NSMB, mario 64, Electroplankton, Chrono Trigger, all 4 ace attorney games, trauma center, ketsui, Osu 1 and 2, GTA, etc.

I can understand a disliking for most of these games. But how could you not like Bangai-O, Castlevania, or Chrono Trigger? What kind of games do you like?

[Beezy]

DS RPGs consist of:

-ports/remakes
-dungeon crawlers
-srpgs
-worthless shit
-TWEWY

It's not good for rpgs.

[tiesto]

DS RPGs consist of:

-ports/remakes
-dungeon crawlers
-srpgs
-worthless shit
-TWEWY

It's not good for rpgs.

There are quite a bit of ARPGs too... Although the amount of original RPGs looks to be improving though - DQ9, the FF 4 Warriors of Light game, Sands of Destruction, Nostalgia, the new Blue Dragon... there's probably more that I'm forgetting.

BTW, totally agree with you earlier in the thread, I wish way more DS games would use sprites instead of low-grade polygons. The big problem isn't the texture detail, or the lack of polygons on the models, it's the lack of filtering that turns everything into a shimmering mess.

[Don Flamenco]

I've done Bangai-O, Devil Survivor, the Castlevania games, Ninja Gaiden, Planet Puzzle League, Mario Kart, NSMB, mario 64, Electroplankton, Chrono Trigger, all 4 ace attorney games, trauma center, ketsui, Osu 1 and 2, GTA, etc.

I can understand a disliking for most of these games. But how could you not like Bangai-O, Castlevania, or Chrono Trigger? What kind of games do you like?

I disagree with the DS being considered a "godly" system. When I think of a "godly" system, I think of something like the PS2, which has an abundance of excellent games in every single genre - RPG, fighting, smhups, adventure games, action, you name it, it's got something worthwhile. Everyone put their crap on the PS2 (which is something I hate about this generation: support has become so incredibly spread out that you can no longer find an abundance of everything on one system).

DS is a "godly" system if you consider the amount of original RPG's/SRPG's on it. It's got an impressive collection. Other than that genre, it doesn't have much. Very few solid action games, absolutely no worthwhile fighting games, very little Western support. It does have a nice AVG collection though.

I think the reason the DS has such a minimal collection of games for the other genres is because Nintendo royally fucked up with the specs. It's like while it was in development they asked themselves "Now, how can we make this system have the ugliest possible 3D known to mankind? It can only handle N64/PSX level visuals, so let's get rid of any texture filtering that might allow in-game models to resemble something. Also, don't let the system be able to render very many colors. Oh, and to top it off, let's make the resolution REALLY shitty as well, so developers will be forced to put vital information on the other screen".

In comparison, the PSP is so much more attractive to developers for games that require any sort of action, which I think explains its abundance of fighting games, shmups, etc compared to the DS. I suppose the only popular genre that's really suitable for the DS is TBRPG's, and as a result, that's its strongest point. I honestly love the two screens/touch screen (they're so much better than waggle... ugh) and I feel they've still got a lot of untapped potential that could offer a lot to other genres (which is why it pains me to see it mostly put to waste and shoe-horned into games). The two screens in particular offer a lot of opportunity, and it sucks to see so many developers mostly (and pointlessly) take advantage the touch screen only.

I went off too long on that. I can see why you'd consider FF3/4 and the DQ games archaic (in particular the DQ games, as the series is founded on its archaic nature), but if Chrono Trigger doesn't tickle your fancy, I don't know how you can like TBRPG's at all. To shorten all this, the DS is a "godly" system if you only consider its collection of original TBRPG's. Outside of that it doesn't have much. I love TBJRPG's so the DS is a great system for me.

when did I say I didn't like those games?  I've played and liked all of them. I thought maybe I was missing another vein of awesome games.  and fuck, I'm not reading all that.

[tiesto]

What kind of games are you into though? Perhaps we can give you better recommendations...

[archie4208]

DS RPGs consist of:

-ports/remakes
-dungeon crawlers
-srpgs
-worthless shit
-TWEWY

It's not good for rpgs.

SMT Strange Journey is coming out for it next year.

[Himu]

Strange Journey

[Jabberwocky]

when did I say I didn't like those games?  I've played and liked all of them. I thought maybe I was missing another vein of awesome games.  and fuck, I'm not reading all that.

Oh. Well then if you're willing to try something new, by all means, get DQHeroes: Rocket Slime. It's nothing like the main DQ games and it's one of the best, most overlooked DS games out there. It's still one of my favorites. Love that damn game.

[Vizzys]

buy n+ ds and join the cool kids club

[Beezy]

SMT Strange Journey is coming out for it next year.

-dungeon crawler

when did I say I didn't like those games?  I've played and liked all of them. I thought maybe I was missing another vein of awesome games.  and fuck, I'm not reading all that.

Oh. Well then if you're willing to try something new, by all means, get DQHeroes: Rocket Slime. It's nothing like the main DQ games and it's one of the best, most overlooked DS games out there. It's still one of my favorites. Love that damn game.

Agreed, I'd love a sequel.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I stand by my Knights in the Nightmare and (to a lesser degree) Lunar Knights recommendations.  Basically any game involving knights, unless they're Silicon Knights.

[Don Flamenco]

buy n+ ds and join the cool kids club

got it on 360


I'm selling the thing.  I'll probably borrow one from someone to try out SMT next year. 

[Jabberwocky]

Agreed, I'd love a sequel.

online tank battles

[cool breeze]

has anyone played the Kingdom Hearts DS game? is it any good?

from videos, it looks like a Monster Hunter style co-op game and not like previous Kingdom Heart games.  I'm also wondering if the collision detection is jank like almost every 3D DS game.

[Himu]

SMT Strange Journey is coming out for it next year.

-dungeon crawler

It's a traditional rpg.

[Beezy]

Doesn't look like it from the vids I've seen so far. It looks like the same style as Etrian Odyssey. Even if I'm wrong about that, DS is still lacking good new rpgs. At least in the US it is.

[recursivelyenumerable]

has anyone played the Kingdom Hearts DS game? is it any good?

from videos, it looks like a Monster Hunter style co-op game and not like previous Kingdom Heart games.  I'm also wondering if the collision detection is jank like almost every 3D DS game.

IIRC Bebpo liked it.  I think that's a separate multiplayer mode and the single player is more or less in the same style as previous Kingdom Heartses.

[Don Flamenco]

has anyone played the Kingdom Hearts DS game? is it any good?

from videos, it looks like a Monster Hunter style co-op game and not like previous Kingdom Heart games.  I'm also wondering if the collision detection is jank like almost every 3D DS game.

It's got disney and little boys.

higher on the otaku scale than kawaiinot