Get Raiden 4

[originalz]

It's out in America!  Go and grab it!  Support the genre in the west!  It's a fantastic game that's definitely worth the cash, full of content and much better than Raiden 3 was!  You even get the soundtrack CD, which is also excellent.

Cave has been saying that they want to bring Mushihime-sama Futari outside of Japan, so we need people to buy these games and show them that there's a market for it!

[demi]

It's $40 though : (

[Van Cruncheon]

i did

[Don Flamenco]

nah

jk


is it as good/intense as the ones on Fighters Aces?

[tiesto]

Cool, I'll get it next time I'm at a game store...

[Himu]

This is 40 bucks?!

[pilonv1]

not out here, neither is the other one

[Beezy]

Someone paypal me $40 please.

[Van Cruncheon]

mmm, pretty stages and old-school shooter design

[originalz]

$40 is nothing, I paid around $60 for the Japanese version when it came out.  It's a solid game with better gameplay than most of the crap that comes out these days.  It looks and sounds beautiful too!

Those who complain about Raiden 4's price had better NEVER complain about why Cave shooters and "hardcore classics" never get brought overseas.

[Don Flamenco]

Mushihime Futari is coming, right?

also, $40 is too much.  I don't care if they sell for $80 to hardcore players in Japan, it's a different market.  If they had any faith in word of mouth, they could price these at $20 and sell a whole lot. 

[Beezy]

also, $40 is too much. 

Isn't this a game that came out recently in Japan? Like in the past year or two? How is $40 too much?

[Don Flamenco]

it's for a game with features/content on par with an XBL game (and possibly shorter play time.) 

[Beezy]

Smh, I guess this is the last shooter that we'll be getting anytime soon.

[MCD]

whole game is 400mb...

[Joe Molotov]

Buy Mini Ninjas instead, at least it's 3D.

[Third]

Is this a shmup?

No buy, if so.

[Don Flamenco]

Smh, I guess this is the last shooter that we'll be getting anytime soon.

 
I didn't realize I was so important. 

anyway, I believe in companies getting things right, not in the consumer's "job" to buy things.  I'm not one of those "support Atlus by buying every piece of shit they put out, even Magna Carta 1" kinds of guys. 

[originalz]

Cave is looking for someone to bring Mushihime-sama Futari over.  It'll be much easier to find a willing publisher to take it if they know there's a viable market for shooters in the west.  Cave charges large royalties for their releases, so you can damn well bet it won't be priced at $20 if it comes out.  The game is going to be full of content, with at least 2 new gameplay modes.

it's for a game with features/content on par with an XBL game (and possibly shorter play time.) 

If you're the kind of person who just credit-feeds their way through the game once and doesn't play it again, then yeah, maybe there's no playtime, but that also means that the genre isn't for you.  Fans can play the game for hours upon hours, trying to improve their score and survive longer without continuing.  The game is packed with content compared to the arcade version anyway, with new levels and gameplay modes.  These games are all about playing to get better, not just beat the game.

Don't compare this to RFA, which was a steal at $20, but was also three old games.  Raiden 4 is a new game with production values that blow RFJ out of the water.  Anyone who considers themselves a fan of shooters would be a fool to pass up this game, ESPECIALLY if you have any interest in future Cave shooters having a market here.

[demi]

I'll get it down the road... if it's still available.

[Beezy]

If you're the kind of person who just credit-feeds their way through the game once and doesn't play it again, then yeah, maybe there's no playtime, but that also means that the genre isn't for you.

basically

[Joe Molotov]

I'll get it down the road... if it's still available.

It'll be in the $9.99 Gamestop bargain bin in time for Christmas.

[demi]

 

[muckhole]

I'd like to pick it up too, but I haven't even put any meaningful time in on Raiden Fighters yet.

[Don Flamenco]

If you're the kind of person who just credit-feeds their way through the game once and doesn't play it again, then yeah, maybe there's no playtime, but that also means that the genre isn't for you.

basically

does it really matter how you play the game?  I don't think that's a factor to consider in pricing at all. 

a game with the best level ever, it can be played 3000 times and the solution is always different, but it's the only level, but you can get 30 hours out of it, IF you get into the style...should it be $40? 

I do credit feed, but I still enjoy the hell out of the genre in small bursts.  Maybe that makes me a poser fan. 

[originalz]

Good game is a good game, good game is worth good money.

It would be like me buying a music game, beating all the songs once on the default difficulty with a poor score (or, not even, just the first few sets of songs since a lot of shooters have a second loop), and then saying that I "beat" the game and it doesn't have any longevity.  Same with fighters, scrape through the single player stuff, don't bother practicing characters to get good at them.

It's kind of sad that in order for a game to be "worth it", we need to be spoonfed hours of content and filler.  Whatever happened to just enjoying a good game and playing it to increase your skill?

[Chussy Pacer]

It's only a 400 meg game..... it's Pretty good deal at $19.

This should have been an XBLA/PSN game.

I love shooters but the asking price is too much for an hour of gameplay.
I'll pick it up once it drops drastically in price.

[Himu]

I am of the opinion games like this should be priced at 19.99 but I can't blame UFO for wanting to turn a profit.

[Himu]

Good game is a good game, good game is worth good money.

It would be like me buying a music game, beating all the songs once on the default difficulty with a poor score (or, not even, just the first few sets of songs since a lot of shooters have a second loop), and then saying that I "beat" the game and it doesn't have any longevity.  Same with fighters, scrape through the single player stuff, don't bother practicing characters to get good at them.

It's kind of sad that in order for a game to be "worth it", we need to be spoonfed hours of content and filler.  Whatever happened to just enjoying a good game and playing it to increase your skill?

Bad comparison.

Music games have an upward of what, 50-100 songs?

You can't beat them in an hour. No one plays fighting games for single player stuff, so that's a dumb comparison too.

Not that I condone not buying it at 40 because I think it'd be worth it. But I can see where he's going with it. I mean, you can get similar games on xbla for less than 20 bucks. Why pay 40 for a game like this in 2009?

I can see where someone can arrive at this train of thought, although I disagree with it.

[Joe Molotov]

It's kind of sad that in order for a game to be "worth it", we need to be spoonfed hours of content and filler.  Whatever happened to just enjoying a good game and playing it to increase your skill?

Okay grandpa, the NES thread is over there.

[Himu]

How is the music in this?

[demi]

Good game is a good game, good game is worth good money.

It would be like me buying a music game, beating all the songs once on the default difficulty with a poor score (or, not even, just the first few sets of songs since a lot of shooters have a second loop), and then saying that I "beat" the game and it doesn't have any longevity.  Same with fighters, scrape through the single player stuff, don't bother practicing characters to get good at them.

It's kind of sad that in order for a game to be "worth it", we need to be spoonfed hours of content and filler.  Whatever happened to just enjoying a good game and playing it to increase your skill?

I've got plenty of skill, son. Talk to the rest of the guys on this forum first

[bork]

Good game is a good game, good game is worth good money.

It would be like me buying a music game, beating all the songs once on the default difficulty with a poor score (or, not even, just the first few sets of songs since a lot of shooters have a second loop), and then saying that I "beat" the game and it doesn't have any longevity.  Same with fighters, scrape through the single player stuff, don't bother practicing characters to get good at them.

It's kind of sad that in order for a game to be "worth it", we need to be spoonfed hours of content and filler.  Whatever happened to just enjoying a good game and playing it to increase your skill?

Bad comparison.

Music games have an upward of what, 50-100 songs?

You can't beat them in an hour. No one plays fighting games for single player stuff, so that's a dumb comparison too.

Not that I condone not buying it at 40 because I think it'd be worth it. But I can see where he's going with it. I mean, you can get similar games on xbla for less than 20 bucks. Why pay 40 for a game like this in 2009?

I can see where someone can arrive at this train of thought, although I disagree with it.

Sadly this is not true. 

Had many customers who "beat" games like Tekken and traded them in back in the game store days.   

[Himu]

....

[bork]

This happened numerous times.  It was always "I beat it" or "I passed that shit, yo.  Unlocked all the characters and saw all the endings.  I'm done!"

[Don Flamenco]

I've played SF4, Tekken DR, SC4, and others for mostly single player, with a little bit of online play and got plenty of time out of them...like 30+ hours. They offer a decent amount of content, high production values, stages, unlockables, etc. etc.  I don't play MP much, but I just like to play fighting games.

A shmup has one set of stages that takes an hour or less to run through with credits, but some basic time attack and extra difficulties, which are good, but are hardly considered "added value" in this day and age.  There might be some other ships with different weapon types involved, but you basically have one small chunk of game with some ornaments hanging from it.

I'm not complaining about that, but I feel like the "fan tax" is bullshit in the U.S. Drop the price and get that shit next to the impulse buy candy at the grocery store.

[originalz]

Whatever, I don't really care if the genre isn't for you or you think it's priced too high, that's your choice.

It's just that I see a lot of the same people bitching about how the Cave games aren't being released in the States now complaining that Raiden 4 is a ripoff.  You can't have it both ways.

[Don Flamenco]

Whatever, I don't really care if the genre isn't for you or you think it's priced too high, that's your choice.

despite the fact that I've said I enjoy shmups about 20 times in this thread.  guess ya gotta be the hardest core dood in the thread to "officially" like shmups.  of course, it's that kind of attitude that scared people away from fighters for years before SF4.  and fighting game fans also wondered why their genre was dying out.

[originalz]

I'm not saying you have to credit the game in order to enjoy it, it's just people complaining that the genre has no depth and can be beaten in an hour and thus it isn't worth any decent money.

Shooters are just as legitimate a genre as anything else.  Saying that it has to be $20 to be viable is an annoying thing to keep saying from people that don't understand the genre.

[Chussy Pacer]

Ok I flipped a couple of 360 games for store credit and picked it up.
(luckily they even had this in stock)

So far I think it's a mixed bag, IMO the music is balls but that's pretty irrelevant with custom soundtracks & the control is perfect.

So far it's almost like playing Raiden Project with souped up visuals, I mean I figured there would be at least some advances in shooter gameplay by now, but I can't complain since I do love gameplay like this.

:btw it's hard, damn hard to get on the leaderboard that is, so far I have no friends scores or even my own posted up on the leaderboard. Scores on the leaderboard are unreal.

I'm liking it so far, but now I'm sure it's not a $40 game. Sorry guys

[Bebpo]

The music sucks, what?

I mean it's nowhere near the A+++++ music of Raiden Fighter Collection, but it's good shmup music.

[Chussy Pacer]

Well if you like that kind of music please disregard my opinion of it, most game music turns me off.
My penis went limp as soon as the music started

 

[originalz]

Ok I flipped a couple of 360 games for store credit and picked it up.
(luckily they even had this in stock)

So far I think it's a mixed bag, IMO the music is balls but that's pretty irrelevant with custom soundtracks & the control is perfect.

So far it's almost like playing Raiden Project with souped up visuals, I mean I figured there would be at least some advances in shooter gameplay by now, but I can't complain since I do love gameplay like this.

:btw it's hard, damn hard to get on the leaderboard that is, so far I have no friends scores or even my own posted up on the leaderboard. Scores on the leaderboard are unreal.

I'm liking it so far, but now I'm sure it's not a $40 game. Sorry guys

Although Raiden 4 is a modern game, it's definitely more oldskool in its approach.  There are some minor advancements, but it's more a refined vision of Raiden, which is pretty good since changing it up can be very risky (the Raiden Fighters series was that branch).

I think that's part of the appeal though, a more "traditional" shooter instead of all of the danmaku games that come out.  I started playing my copy of R4 again and I keep dying because I'm so used to tiny hitboxes of newer games, haha.  I guess that a Cave game would give you a "new" shooter experience, but there's definitely a place for games like R4 in the genre.

Still, when a shooter does innovate, it's usually only some minor things and game system adjustments.  You can't really change too much about the genre or else you'll just alienate the core fans.  Western developers seem more interested in that, making more "appealing" games that look great and have innovations that people enjoy, but actually play quite poorly compared to the better Japanese games.  Haha, it's almost frustrating to see clueless reviewers gush over mediocre games that only look pretty on the surface while slamming the actual good games that play traditionally, but I suppose that you kind of stop seeing things from that perspective after really getting into the genre.