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AdmiralViscen

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He sent this to all the faculty of the university, and some of his friends to boot. Enjoy.

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Subject: Ode to Weather Chaotic

 Hey Jack! I don't have that revision you asked for, sorry, I left my flash drive at the Public Library... However, consider this an addition to that statement... Also, I found out that Mr. Nicholas Patrick Nice was the only student who was noticeably "uncomfortable" with me leaving the class, I believe it was because he is a friend of mine and was embarrassed by my behavior, also, he may have been worried the teacher would take out her aggression towards me on him. I hope you don't mind but I brought some friends and family along to see whatsup, since I think they all deserve a legitimate explanation for why I am suspended, considering that Dr. Rodriguez never really made that quite clear to me.  Sorry, I did not live up to the "expectations of a St. John's student" from your "perspective" and I did swear to an administrator, sorry, I do that sometimes when I get frustrated, and I get frustrated sometimes when dealing with fools... sorry.  I think I should see a counselor about my hunger problems first, though. I receive this uncontrollable urge to eat food every once in awhile, I can not control it, damn near kills me sometimes, too. (You guys flexed your muscles at the wrong kid, check mine out and let's see who has the last laugh, shall we?) Moving on...

Dear Dr. Harrington and fellow recipients,

   I apologize that this is such a long story but I really feel the need to explain myself fully in this situation because this event has had a lot of meaning for me personally.  Not only does the outcome determine my career path, my reputation in general, and my integrity when dealing with injustice, I feel as though my personal well-being was threatened when I was thrown out on the streets... for no valid reason.  Let me make one thing clear. This is not about me getting my way, this is about a SEVERE violation of authoritative power which I hope results in a serious investigation and the termination or forced resignation of both Mr. Jack Flynn and Dr. Rodriguez from the St. John's faculty.   Make sure you read the whole thing, I already used the word kill and I mentioned flexed muscles, a lot of posturing and chauvinism, might get dangerous below.

   If you have not heard, following some disciplinary protocol carried out by the Judicial Affairs department because, basically, I walked out of the class of Professor Gatto's because I refused to stay and take a survey at the end of the period but, rather, chose to go to my room to complete it because there was only one computer for 10+ students. Following that, I was charged with misconduct when dealing with the "early alert" administrator because I felt like I was being labelled as the "bad guy" in the situation, between myself and Professor Gatto, even after I explained the circumstances to the lady on the phone and she seemed to understand/agree with me somewhat. Ultimately, I told her she "wasn't doing her job" and hung-up.   This was on Friday.  Afterwards, Mr. Jack Flynn came to my room to tell me I had to speak with Dr. Jose Rodriguez. I explained the story to them, and, in Dr. Rodriguez' great mercy, he did not suspend me.  They told me it seemed that under the circumstances I may not have acted in the exact "right" manner but, from my "perspective", my actions were understandable. I was told to write down the story I had told them so they would have a hard copy to refer to and return it on Monday, I did so, and I wish I could provide a copy of that document in this e-mail.
    When I brought this document to Jack on Monday he had the formal follow-up conversation with me concerning the incident.  I explained to him that I can not continue to be in the class because it was obvious, I guess only to my "perspective", that the teacher was out to get me now and I would only like to have an exception be made in my case so I could switch to another class.  He told me that his department did not handle this sort of thing, but he would back me up in this decision.  At this point, it seemed to me that the case was closed and I was ready to leave the office.  However, Mr. Jack Flynn continued the dialogue which included saying that my "problem" behavior could not be justified by the school administration.  I pleaded that under the circumstances there must be some measure of understanding.  He continued to tell me that not only was my conduct on the phone a "problem", which I understood because I lost my patience and went off on the "mediator" at the end there, but that my conduct in class was also an inexcusable "problem", notably my walking out.  (I still do not care about the amount of embarrassment Professor Gatto was subject to for my behavior, and I still feel no remorse seeing the situation from the light that it was only the logical consequence of her mismanagement of a simple situation.)  I tried to reason with him, as men do, saying that I pay for the class and I can leave whenever I want as long as I do not disrupt anything, which I did not.  Again, Jack Flynn adamantly stated that my behavior was a "problem" and I was not justified for any of it.  I rebutted by saying that I pay to take the course, I am there voluntarily, and I can leave when I deem it is necessary, despite the consequences, and in my situation I still feel that I am justified, which was why I wrote the whole statement. (I thought we had already reached some sort of an understanding on Friday, and he had not even spoken to the teacher about the matter at this point even though he told me he would get in touch with her over the weekend.)  He attempted what I believe to be double-speak, all in all, a pathetic incomprehensible attempt at wordplay, and told me something to the effect of I pay for the right to take the course. (OK, fine, what's your point?) I argued again, seeking some sort of logic, by citing THE FACT that my tuition goes to the teacher's salary, his salary and the dean's salary.  (The whole university exists to serve the students,does it not? Or am I just pissing into the wind with this discourse, as well?)  Insanely, he disagreed with me again and told me that was not how he would view things, and not how the dean would view things.  I replied, rather bombastically, "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? I think my point is valid as long as the school teaches students as it's main source of income." He replied, that I was wrong again, and not only this but that I had a "developmental" issue because I did not see things "his way". Aware that he held the keys to getting me suspended from the University I bit my tongue and tried to explain things to him in a way that a 3-year old would understand, "My tuition goes to everything you have... it's like the taxpayers pay their taxes, and that goes to everything that a police officer has, including his salary."  He seemed to take offense to this statement, and again told me that I had a "developmental" issue. (Let me see the PHd. in Psychology Jack, a bachelor's degree is not enough for me. What makes you think you have the right or experience to judge me psychically? You use your authority as an extension of your juvenile ego and cannot even be reasoned with.) So at this point, I was just a tad bit frustrated, and instead of going off on him I calmly said, "well... this conversation is over." stood up and went to the door.  When I opened the door Mr. Flynn asked me if I wanted him to "write me up", I turned back and told him "I have no time to argue with these stupid ideologies", and left.
   At this point, I was not sure who to turn to because Dr. Rodriguez is his supervisor and I assumed was also very close to Mr. Flynn because there offices literally touch. I went to the library to study and think it over.  After a few minutes, to digest what just happened, I decided to go back to my room in order to look up my options in terms of complaining about Mr. Jack Flynn's lack of reasoning skill and his obvious flawed "perspective" of the financial dynamics of institutions of Higher Education, to find that my Stormcard had been deactivated and was notified, by the girl at the desk, that I needed to speak with Mr. Flynn in order to get into my room.  (I try to avoid speaking to obvious irrationals who are personally offended by me because I bested them in a civil debate.)
   I went to the office and immediately made an appointment with Dr. Rodriguez about Mr. Flynn's "abuse of power" only to be confronted by Mr. Flynn who asked me if I would like to step into his office to "finish the meeting."  I decided that the safest thing for me to do was to not go back into that office because of the Orwellian nature of his dialogue. (Honestly, I was afraid to be alone with that man because I did not know how far he was willing to go in order to make me to see things "his way".)  He kept on insisting that we finish the meeting, and I kept on insisting that he reactivate my stormcard, the argument was going nowhere so I decided to take my case to a higher authority, who was not a buddy of Jack Flynn as I soon found Jose Rodriguez to be.
   In the hallway on the way out, I ran into Dr. Rodriguez, very upset, and pleaded with him to reactivate my stormcard, which, at that moment, seemed to be deactivated because I had intellectually one-upped Mr. Flynn and he was using his power in order to level the "playing field" and flaunt his authority.  We took the discussion into his office where he not only agreed with Mr. Flynn's decision to deactivate my stormcard, he also agreed with the insane idea that my tuition money does not go to paying for the school. (A quote of mine during this meeting: "THEN WHAT IS A TUITION!?" WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS THE NIGHTMARE.) Dr. Rodriguez informed me that he condoned the deactivation of my stormcard because I had not finished my meeting with Mr. Flynn, when I asked him if he thought it was right that Mr. Flynn be able to deactivate my stormcard for personal reasons he said that he agreed with that policy.  (I asked for a copy of that policy, like a good little bureacrat, and, to my knowledge, he has yet to "look for it". I assume it does not exist.)  I WAS ANGRY TO SAY THE LEAST! Not only that, Dr. Rodriguez was going to suspend me because I would not meet with Mr. Flynn, the most specific reason he could give me was my behavior.  When I asked him if he was suspending me because I was yelling at him with justified emotion he said, with a wave of his hand, "[He had] no problem with that."
   So, at this point, I'm homeless, I have to explain to my family why I was suspended, and I can not speak reasonably to either Mr. Jack Flynn or Dr. Rodriguez. (Who are directors of departments within the University, how? I will never know and can not even get close with a guess.)  Every time I disagreed with them, at this point, the only response, which is VERY JUVENILE IN NATURE, was "What, do you think you're right all the time?" No, not necesarrily, but when I am arguing with somebody I tend to believe I am right, my apologies.
   Anyways, they have Public Safety escort me off of campus, luckily I was able to gather a few belongings from my room.  I told the officer my story and he said it was a "pissing contest" with those guys, that I was a "nice kid" and that he did not know why I needed to be escorted, "It's not like you were threatening them or sucking your teeth or anything." Turns out I did threaten them, breaking the student code of conduct, when I said I would have them both fired. *fingers crossed*
   I stayed with a helpful friend that night and the next morning returned to the follow-up on that meeting I had scheduled with Dr. Rodriguez which was when he told me that "[He] did not even look" for the rule I had asked about, so I walked out casually.
   I walked around Queens all day and even got a library card so I could send an e-mail to Dr. Harrington, but the computers in the public library were too slow, and every time I tried to send an e-mail it would not work.
   This afternoon my mother came to the campus and I was hoping to get a meeting with her, Mr. Jack Flynn, Dr. Rodriguez, and a third-party mediator from the school in order to get this situation all laid out.  Turns out, the meeting was only with Mr. Jack Flynn, judge, jury, and executioner... so fair.  He not only had quite a conflict of interest when dealing with this situation since I told him from the beginning that since his job was not on the line I would need to "try harder".  He made a point of interrupting me every time I told my side of the story, disagreed with him, or made him look bad, by saying that this is an example of exactly the type of behavior which got me suspended.  Finally, he notified me that he had deactivated my stormcard not for "personal" reasons, but because I had been deemed such a serious threat to other students on the campus, beacuse of my behavior in our conversation, that I could not be allowed back in my room.  After clearing it with him that I could leave the meeting at any time I wanted, I asked him if I could schedule another meeting with an independent mediator involving myself, Dr. Rodriguez, and him.  He told me that this would not be possible and at this point I could only address him or Dr. Rodriguez about my issue. (Totalitarian if you ask me.)   He assured me that this was a "private" institution, which meant that it had "different rules from a public one" but the tone in which he said it made it  clear that he meant something along the lines of "You can't get me in trouble because there is so much back-door dealings and politics involved at this school that you are screwed, kid." (He might be right, at this point, with the misunderstandings and total lack of respect I have received, I would have a bitter taste in my mouth if I called this a "Vincentian" University.)  I then asked who Dr. Rodriguez' supervisor was, Mr. Flynn chuckled and said, "God". So, around that point in this delightful meeting, I told him that I would be contacting the president, which he commented was "expected", stood up, went to the door and said "This conversation is over, or is that too aggressive?", opened the door a crack, turned back and said "I don't have time to argue with these stupid ideologies, or is that too aggressive, again?", the look on his face was not one of fright, so I left and was escorted off of campus again.
   Now I am sitting at home writing this e-mail, I am not allowed back on campus without a "psychiatric evaluation" and I write this letter to all of you so you can get the word out and not let these bureacrats label me as mentally unstable, pin the blame all on me, and sweep me under the rug because I am causing such a fuss. (Forward this e-mail to: News agencies, Academia at large, student organizations, lawyers, the Vincentian brotherhood, friends etc. Bear the cross, raise the standards.) People have been in conflict since recorded history, I beg you to have pity on men like Mr. Flynn and Dr. Rodriguez because they need a hypocritical "emerald city" administration like this in order to label trouble-makers like me social deviants when I am not complacent to their actions.  (I thought I was taught to be actively critical, sorry again.)
   Honestly, this whole thing is just incredibly ridiculous, and I will not let them get away with this, not for myself, but more for the next guy in line who would have to "bow down", apologize to these guys, and be mistreated as a human being when they are in a similar circumstance.  I have enough sins of my own to apologize for, I am not going to ask forgiveness from a couple of power-hungry egotistical administrators who are upset that they are not as skilled as me at logical argument.
I AM NOT GOING TO PLAY THIS "GAME"! I AM HERE TO LEARN, AND I CAN'T DO THAT IF I KNOW SOMEONE HAS THE POWER TO TAKE AWAY  MY HOUSING ON A WHIM!  If I could afford it, I would have withdrawn voluntarily from St. John's University and transferred by now... I really can't stand this administrative nit-picking bullshit.  They are wrong, I am right... am I totally right, of course not, but at least I am justified in my actions in other ways than personal inadequacies of my own.
                                                                                                                                                                              Sincerely,
                                                                                                                                                                        burrr

P.S. Sorry I missed my classes Professors, I'll try to get back, if not then I'll just write a book over the next semester or two, drawing influence heavily from this incident, and consider that a scholarship to another school.
P.P.S. Dr. Greg, I was about to visit you after this incident was settled, sadly I could not make it.  I am not sorry, I was not expected and it was no fault of my own that I could not make it.
P.P.P.S. When you're in a hole you have to dig your way out or find a friend with a big enough ladder. Personally, I like to wait for the rain and swim my way out, rested and debtless.  Which way is the wind blowing now... HAHA.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 11:51:15 PM »
tl;dr has never been more appropriate.
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 11:52:38 PM »
Jesus tapdancing Christ can we get a cliffs notes version for fucks sakes?
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 11:54:15 PM »
The kid is psychotic. I don't know if there was a way I could summarize that.

I found gems from beginning to end.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 11:58:50 PM »
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You guys flexed your muscles at the wrong kid, check mine out and let's see who has the last laugh, shall we?)


Hell hath no fury like a meat head scorned. 

stopped reading after this line since it's probably full of obvious gaps in reasoning and "witty" jokes made for his friends.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 12:02:05 AM »
This kid is a nutjob.

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When I opened the door Mr. Flynn asked me if I wanted him to "write me up", I turned back and told him "I have no time to argue with these stupid ideologies", and left.

Who talks like this in real life? :lol

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 12:03:28 AM »
He says that twice iirc :lol

And judging  by his facebook page, he actually thinks those who read this will side with him.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 12:06:13 AM »
He's probably at least partially in the right, college bureaucracies do tend to suck quite a bit, but he also comes across as making the situation needlessly worse by arguing with people in a position of authority over pointless things.

He walked out of class. Apologize to the professor, or whoever needs to be apologized to, and go back to class. That's all that needed to be done from the start.
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2009, 12:06:19 AM »
I imagine anyone that says that in real life looks like this:



"I have no time to argue with these ridiculous ideologies!"

Then he has his chauffeur pull around the car to Jake's house for tea and crumpets.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2009, 12:09:11 AM »
I imagine anyone that says that in real life looks like this:

(Image removed from quote.)

"I have no time to argue with these ridiculous ideologies!"

Then he has his chauffeur pull around the car to Jake's house for tea and crumpets.



"Good day, sir!"
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 12:12:12 AM »
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Let me see the PHd. in Psychology Jack, a bachelor's degree is not enough for me. What makes you think you have the right or experience to judge me psychically?

 :lol wtf
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 12:15:43 AM »
This one is a fan favorite:

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Every time I disagreed with them, at this point, the only response, which is VERY JUVENILE IN NATURE, was "What, do you think you're right all the time?" No, not necesarrily, but when I am arguing with somebody I tend to believe I am right, my apologies.

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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 12:17:23 AM »
Don't judge him psychically! :lol
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2009, 01:17:57 AM »
Did not read.

Something something Virginia Tech.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2009, 01:47:08 AM »
Futami College drop out #5
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 01:53:59 AM »
tl;dr, hell I didn't even read the thread, carry on fellas.
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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2009, 02:01:22 AM »
Send it back to the student with an "F" grade, and stress the need for brevity when impinging on the time of others.

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2009, 02:11:14 AM »
so, because he couldn't take an extra half hour (actually he doesn't make it clear whether it required time outside of class) and do some lame-ass survey, he get's kicked out of his home/dorm and more likely than not kicked out of school.

This guy sounds like a typical only child from a relatively wealthy family.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2009, 04:35:14 AM »
How do you expect me to read that? There's spaces in it!. I want the run on version.

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2009, 09:19:22 AM »
so, because he couldn't take an extra half hour (actually he doesn't make it clear whether it required time outside of class) and do some lame-ass survey, he get's kicked out of his home/dorm and more likely than not kicked out of school.

This guy sounds like a typical only child from a relatively wealthy family.

He's from Connecticut. So ya

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Re: I have here a copy of an email from a disgruntled college student
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2009, 02:14:28 PM »
This kid is a nutjob.

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When I opened the door Mr. Flynn asked me if I wanted him to "write me up", I turned back and told him "I have no time to argue with these stupid ideologies", and left.

Who talks like this in real life? :lol




Sounds like someone who was talking in tongues at Target...
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