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« on: September 29, 2009, 11:41:54 AM »
I think they're closing something like 250 to 300 Hollywood Video/GameCrazy stores completely. They're also shutting down something like 60% of the GameCrazy stores, and merging their inventories with the video side - which will probably start selling games and such next month.

Two of my friends just got let go. One was given three days notice that his store will shut down completely. Totally sucks.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 11:43:41 AM »
Does this mean they're going to sell things on clearance?

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 11:46:36 AM »
One of my friends said he does think there might be some liquidation sales, but a lot of the inventory is going to be moved to the stores that withstand all the layoffs.

I know in the case of one of my friends, they shut his store down completely, and he is simply shipping merchandise to other stores.

This is more or less a heads up that if you have any credit tied up into the stores, now is the time to use. The company says it's doing this so it has enough buying power to survive Q4, but considering some of the markets they're backing out of completely, I'd be surprised if they're around after Christmas.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 01:02:53 PM »
Soon Willco will be unable to enter (or even find) ANY GameCrazy.

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 01:07:24 PM »
One of my friends said he does think there might be some liquidation sales, but a lot of the inventory is going to be moved to the stores that withstand all the layoffs.

I know in the case of one of my friends, they shut his store down completely, and he is simply shipping merchandise to other stores.

This is more or less a heads up that if you have any credit tied up into the stores, now is the time to use. The company says it's doing this so it has enough buying power to survive Q4, but considering some of the markets they're backing out of completely, I'd be surprised if they're around after Christmas.

if i remember correctly didn't you just left from there some time ago.

company is nothing without you confirmed?


seriously though that sucks to hear and i would have expected something like Gamestop buying the stores or something.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 01:57:52 PM »
Yeah, I left before the summer started. I will say, when I left, my local store was doing well with payroll, productivity and profitability. After my departure from that location last April, it tanked - hard. And now it's closed completely.

The problem with the company is the complete incompetence of its corporate executives and high ranking field management. The economy is partly at fault here, but the company's corporate culture main culrpit.

I mean, last Friday, some managers (one of my friends included) were given virtually no notice, in some cases as little as three days, to pack up and close shop.

On Monday, they announced large scale corporate restructuring and the closing of hundreds more GameCrazy locations. The only positive note is that the managers informed of the closings yesterday are being given a month to get their affairs in order.

As early as a few months ago, the company ran into serious cash supply problems, failing to replenish GameCrazy stock allocations after their first shipment (and usually sent only enough to cover pre-orders, as they're guaranteed sales) of new releases.

And despite the fact that it is over a year removed from bankruptcy, the company made almost no effort to remove overhead costs - which were ridiculous.

Not only did they have multiple corporate offices, but almost every Hollywood Video/GameCrazy location had two separate District Managers and two separate Regional Directors.

In a location shared by both Hollywood Video and GameCrazy, both sides have separate managers and payroll (with few exceptions). This would lead to large, specialized teams on both sides that could not assist or coordinate with one another.

That kind of overhead is unsustainable.

By the time corporate offices were shuttered in Oregon, and corporate restructuring began this month, it was too late.

The company also enacted strict termination practices based on arbitrary numbers, for both games and video retail, leading to an extremely high turnover rate. At the rate the company began to burn through field managers, store managers and associates, properly training employees took a back seat to simply staying afloat.

This, obviously, lead to a noticeable drop in customer satisfaction. You can't lose a significant chunk of your work force and expect exemplary customer service; the same problem plagued Circuit City up until its demise.

The corporate line is that layoffs and closures will allow the company to consolidate inventory and save funds for Q4 purchasing.

However, considering some of the markets that the company has completely removed itself from, its unlikely that the business will make it through the holidays unscathed.

It's a shame that the company was hit by a recession, but you really got to lay the blame at corporate. They were content to let the good times roll, even after bankruptcy, as if things never changed - and a lot of good people lost their jobs this weekend as a result.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 02:01:02 PM »
As for GameStop buying them out, that's still not out of the question. It's just that GameStop would never buy the company until it trims down all the bloat; its corporate structure is messy and has made some truly idiotic decisions on rental space.

At the very least, I expect GameStop to circle as a vulture and pick off its remains by purchasing liquidated inventory when it inevitably falls apart.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 02:04:12 PM »
Is there a list of all the stores closing down?
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2009, 02:10:53 PM »
Not yet.

I've been in communication with a contributing editor at Joystiq (about a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff, company policy on refunds for pre-orders, etc.) and he is working diligently to compile an unconfirmed store closing list.

I can only confirm the closings in my region, but a lot of the field managers and store managers are so busy consolidating inventory, assisting other stores and/or looking for a job that it makes compiling even an anecdotal list pretty difficult.

Corporate won't post a full list either, for a lot of reasons. They're also using fuzzy math in their press release that it's "just" 200 stores shutting down.

... That said, pretty much the majority of the closings were announced on Friday and Monday, so you should be able to call your local stores and find out.

If you do have credit tied up in a store that has closed or is about to close, I strongly recommend that you get it transferred to another, existing location immediately. You can do this by calling customer service (be prepared to give your information) or getting to the location before it shutters, and transferring existing credit on to a gift card.

The problem is that it's incredibly easy for managers and keyholders to move around and spend customer credit (it's not only easy, but pretty rampant), and considering many have had no qualms about using customer's neglected store credit on personal purchases or to pad productivity numbers, I can only imagine what disgruntled, soon-to-be-unemployed employees might do with it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 02:16:36 PM »
I don't have any store credit, but we actually rent movies from time to time at the Hollywood Video near our house. I don't know why we rent there, seeing how Scarecrow Video is a short walk down the street.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 02:23:54 PM »
It won't impact you as much. I think only a 150 or so of the Hollywood Video stores are closing down. This move mostly affects the Game Crazy side, which will be absorbed into the video retail business.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2009, 02:27:35 PM by Willco »
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 03:08:41 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 04:25:12 PM »
lol retail lol
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 04:47:23 PM »
The Redmond one is shutting down. Sucks, because they had a great inventory of older out of print stuff for really cheap and in good condition.

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009, 04:55:24 PM »
To be honest, as a customer, I prefer GameCrazy over GameStop - and I worked for both companies.

After the one near me closes its doors, which is this week, I probably won't go to brick and mortar stores to buy my games anymore.

EDIT: Found out my brother will be likely laid off, as well.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2009, 04:59:46 PM »
lol retail lol





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edit:  There's a mom & pop store down the street from you anyway, no?
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009, 05:02:34 PM »
Dude, they closed down like two months ago.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009, 05:06:19 PM »
Ah.  Oh well.  Power to the Players amirite
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2009, 05:07:48 PM »
 :yuck

One of my DM pals offered me a job if I relocate to California. :lol

... We're living in an Amazon.com world, man!
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2009, 05:12:41 PM »
I need a good Mom N Pop in the Seattle area

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2009, 05:26:45 PM »
I need a good Mom N Pop in the Seattle area

The only non-Gamestop/Gamecrazy stores in the area (that I'm aware of) are:

Pink Gorilla Games -- Imports and domestic releases. Two locations in Seattle: International District and the University District
Game Town -- In North Seattle on Aurora Ave.
Game Lobster -- In Federal Way on Pacific Highway South
Next Level Games -- Up in Everett. I've never been there.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2009, 05:29:06 PM »
That was the coolest part about living in Los Angeles, is that there are couple of thriving mom 'n pop stores. None here.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2009, 05:31:50 PM »
Yeah, it is pretty crappy how Mom and Pops can't make it most places.

There used to be a really cool Mom and Pop import store right by TVC's apartment, but they went of business long ago... You can't just do what GS/GC do to survive anymore. I'm sure that Pink Gorilla would've gone out of business ages ago if they didn't sell new/used import and retro titles and trading figures.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 05:38:12 PM »
Biggest difficult, at least from what I can see, is that it's tough to stay competitive in terms of pricing. I gave this local mom 'n pop store my business, even when I worked at GameStop, but they were routinely undercut by GameStop, Target, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2009, 05:39:59 PM »
Yeah, that is big. People in the local forum at CAG just bitch about higher prices at the Mom and Pops. I mean, I'm all for Fry's super low first week sale prices that no one is crazy enough to match, but I also love digging through the used and import titles at PG.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2009, 06:49:51 PM »
I need a good Mom N Pop in the Seattle area

The only non-Gamestop/Gamecrazy stores in the area (that I'm aware of) are:

Pink Gorilla Games -- Imports and domestic releases. Two locations in Seattle: International District and the University District
Game Town -- In North Seattle on Aurora Ave.
Game Lobster -- In Federal Way on Pacific Highway South
Next Level Games -- Up in Everett. I've never been there.

"Pink Gorilla Games" and "Game Lobster?"   :lol
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2009, 07:06:54 PM »
It won't affect me since most Gamecrazy stores closed a long time ago in the LA region.  I wish they didn't though.

I still remember when I rented a bunch of games with the $20 game pass during those long college summers.  It was pretty awesome because not many people in my neighborhood were giving the pass a try. 

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2009, 07:08:59 PM »
I need a good Mom N Pop in the Seattle area

The only non-Gamestop/Gamecrazy stores in the area (that I'm aware of) are:

Pink Gorilla Games -- Imports and domestic releases. Two locations in Seattle: International District and the University District
Game Town -- In North Seattle on Aurora Ave.
Game Lobster -- In Federal Way on Pacific Highway South
Next Level Games -- Up in Everett. I've never been there.

"Pink Gorilla Games" and "Game Lobster?"   :lol

Pink Gorilla used to be called Pink Godzilla, but they were threatened with a lawsuit by Toho, so they changed their name.

Game Lobster, yeah... I got nothin'.
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2009, 07:14:08 PM »
It gives this image a of a combination seafood/game shop run by a salty old dog in a yellow raincoat, smoking a pipe.
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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2009, 07:22:44 PM »
If I owe Hollywood Video late fees and they close, are the fees gone?

No.
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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2009, 07:35:40 PM »
If I owe Hollywood Video late fees and they close, are the fees gone?

No.

Wait another year or two!  Time is on your side.

There's a mom n' pop game shop in Willywood, but it's kinda crappy.  Might as well just get your retro shit on the intertubes.
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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2009, 08:50:40 PM »
Yeah, that's true - if the company goes completely out of business, you're in the clear. :lol
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« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2009, 09:56:49 PM »
So, wait, GameCrazy employees abuse customers existing credit for their own personal purchases? How's that work?

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« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2009, 10:17:42 PM »
So, wait, GameCrazy employees abuse customers existing credit for their own personal purchases? How's that work?

I'm guessing they wait a couple years and if the person never comes back in to the store, they use it themselves...

Willco, care to explain?
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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2009, 10:28:09 PM »
Pretty easily.

Managers and keyholders can move the credit around fairly easy, and it's not unheard of that if a customer leaves credit on his/her account long enough, they find it totally depleted when they inevitably show up.

I heard about a manager that was pulling a shift for another store, found a customer account that had not been active for almost 20 months with $200 worth of credit, and proceeded to go on a spending spree.

Sure enough, a month or so later, that customer went in looking to purchase something and all of their trade-in credit was gone.

I do not want to be an alarmist, as that in no way shape or form, is what occurs at most stores with most employees. That said, it is common for managers and associates to use customer credit to fudge their individual performance numbers.

They do that by moving your pre-order credit to another title, thus racking up another reserve for their productivity rankings. While not technically stealing money, it has screwed customers in the past; if the pre-order is not reset to the original reserve, the copy of whatever that customer actually wanted never comes in.

That practice was brought upon by a strict termination policy based on individual and store performance, so managers and associates out of fear for their job would move around customer credit to fudge their numbers.
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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2009, 10:29:54 PM »
I only had the GameCrazy VIP cards to get the disc buffings.
They fixed many discs I thought were lost.

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2009, 10:30:42 PM »
Yeah, that was (and is) a great service that was woefully underutilized by corporate. I saved a few discs myself.
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2009, 10:39:44 PM »
Play N Trade is a good concept with truly awful execution. I've seen a couple of people bankrupted by the franchise; it really is nothing more than an elaborate pyramid scheme.

For niche gamers and the hardcore, GameStop is truly the last option in terms of stability, proximity and affordability.
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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2009, 10:39:52 PM »
Pretty easily.

Managers and keyholders can move the credit around fairly easy, and it's not unheard of that if a customer leaves credit on his/her account long enough, they find it totally depleted when they inevitably show up.

I heard about a manager that was pulling a shift for another store, found a customer account that had not been active for almost 20 months with $200 worth of credit, and proceeded to go on a spending spree.

Sure enough, a month or so later, that customer went in looking to purchase something and all of their trade-in credit was gone.

I do not want to be an alarmist, as that in no way shape or form, is what occurs at most stores with most employees. That said, it is common for managers and associates to use customer credit to fudge their individual performance numbers.

They do that by moving your pre-order credit to another title, thus racking up another reserve for their productivity rankings. While not technically stealing money, it has screwed customers in the past; if the pre-order is not reset to the original reserve, the copy of whatever that customer actually wanted never comes in.

That practice was brought upon by a strict termination policy based on individual and store performance, so managers and associates out of fear for their job would move around customer credit to fudge their numbers.


So what happened to the poor guy when he came in to the store? Was he SOL?
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2009, 10:43:36 PM »
Does the customer have any recourse? I mean, if there's a log of the customer's account, and there's any kind of history of purchases to be seen, or even credit transfers, can't the store reimburse the credit?

Also, on the topic of disc buffing or at least repair: hub cracks are not fixable, are they?

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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2009, 10:43:39 PM »
Initially, he was.

Those situations are always resolved after a lengthy LP investigation, and the perpetrators usually try to cover the tracks with bogus accounts or using another associate's user name and password. So, LP has to get their hands dirty, review video evidence, time clock sheets, transactions, etc.

After they finish their investigation and determine that the customer's credit was stolen, customer service will replenish his account for the amount stolen. And - hopefully - the person who committed the crime is fired (but rarely prosecuted).

... but for the victim, they have to wait until that process is completed. And that really sucks.

And keep in mind, the perp in my anecdotal story was a borrowed employee, who was entered and removed from the system. GameCrazy and Hollywood Video still use DOS-like prompts (I shit you not) and it can be incredibly difficult to track down who did what.

To be fair, it was also not unheard of for GameStop employees to do the same thing (except they can do cash refunds on credit), but there are more safeguards against that kind of internal theft than there are at GameCrazy.
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2009, 10:46:41 PM »
Quote
Also, on the topic of disc buffing or at least repair: hub cracks are not fixable, are they?

I'm not sure if its beyond repair, but certainly beyond the capabilities of disc buffing.
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2009, 11:03:55 PM »
Play N Trade is a good concept with truly awful execution. I've seen a couple of people bankrupted by the franchise; it really is nothing more than an elaborate pyramid scheme.

For niche gamers and the hardcore, GameStop is truly the last option in terms of stability, proximity and affordability.

Play N Trade is only good when you find people that price things as if they were the customer. Ive been to a few PNT's where everything is at least $10 more then the average store(even new items).

GameStop is great and serves it's purpose (I love when morons sticker stuff incorectly) but I just wish there were some cool mom and pop stores around for game stuff. I probably wouldn't do most of my shopping there but I'd totally be down for the occasional trip to a Game Lobster.

Game Lobster is fuckin' weird. It's run by this really old couple who don't know shit about games, but they have tons of old stuff. I've found some really cool Super Famicom carts there for really cheap. Last time I was there it was also extremely dirty and cluttered.
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« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2009, 11:34:19 PM »
Play N Trade is a good concept with truly awful execution. I've seen a couple of people bankrupted by the franchise; it really is nothing more than an elaborate pyramid scheme.

For niche gamers and the hardcore, GameStop is truly the last option in terms of stability, proximity and affordability.

Play N Trades have been popping up all over the place around here, and the ones I've been to turn up some nice retro gems on occasion. I just like how there's a place that deals with used retro games (since I mostly play retro games) w/o the hassle of ebay...
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« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2009, 11:49:10 PM »
Like I said, it's a great concept, but I've never seen them last. There are few exceptions.

The franchise owners pay a ridiculous amount to corporate just to start, and corporate also gets a percentage of sales. The owners get very little in return in terms of marketing and ordering support.

When I worked at GameStop, I would actually headhunt employees from Play N Trade. They were generally far more enthusiastic and hard working than GameStop veterans or walk-in candidates.

And most of them would be desperate for hours and discounts on games as their stores began their inevitable slide into collapse. I once saw an entire family bankrupt itself in Hayward over their franchise.

A really good friend of mine also started a franchise, and collapsed before he could get off the ground.
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2009, 02:34:36 PM »
GAF got the news so its as demi said

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