Considering buying a PS3

[chronovore]

...someone please talk me out of it. I've received a 30,000 yen windfall for my recent birthday, and a PS3 (slim) is pretty much the only object that comes to mind as a use for it.

But there are no PS3 exclusives on my "must play someday" list. InFamous is something I might pick up; Little Big Planet is also something I feel I should try. Maybe Wipeout HD. That just doesn't seem to be a long enough list to buy a 30,000 yen machine. I'd love to play my PS2 games on that TV if they were uprezzed, but there's no way I'll pay the premium price that backward compatible PS3s command here (something like 50~60,000 yen, IIRC).

On the other hand, the video store has Bluray discs for rental, and I've got a 40" 1080p Bravia with two, TWO empty HDMI ports. Other than standard airwave-digital broadcast, the only thing I've got displaying at full resolution on it is my Xbox, which is run through the VGA input. Is Bluray really a huge difference in presentation?  Is Bluray enough of a jump to invest the money in a player?

[cool breeze]

there's a 50% chance you'll regret it

[Smooth Groove]

If you have a 360, you don't need a PS3.  It's that simple. 

Also, aren't Bluray movies still really expensive in Japan?  

Blurays look really good but the 1080P rips you can find online aren't much worse.  I'll go so far as to say that you won't notice a different 90% of the time between a 1080P rip and the actual Bluray source on a 40" TV.  Even on my 58" TV, I rarely notice a difference.  I have about 120 Blurays but I ain't buying anymore until they start coming down in price.

[The Fake Shemp]

[Himu]

ps3 has better exclusives, go for it

[Sho Nuff]

Don't waste your money
Put that yen towards GOOD games

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, since I have a standalone Blu-ray player and a 360, I can't see buying a PS3.

Maybe, unless for...

[pilonv1]

buy the ps3 as a blu ray player and dont get any games. you'll be happy

[Bebpo]

You're asking on the wrong forum

[Human Snorenado]

If you're not jazzed on the games, I would just go ahead and get a standalone blu ray player.

[Bildi]

I think about getting a PS3 sometimes too. 

Then I think about using the same old controller which I never liked.

Then I think a standalone bluray player is a better way to go because it costs less and looks nicer.

Then I think how I enjoy buying lots of cheap DVDs and how blurays are expensive and possibly a doomed format because of digital distribution.

Then I just forget about the whole thing.

Hope this helps.

[Bebpo]

I still can't believe how many people on a mature forum are not multi-console owners.  I mean I expect places like GAF or gamefaqs to have a lot of single console owners cause there are a lot of kids with no money and fanboys with little intelligence, but here where most posters are adults with jobs and income and more general objectivity, I generally assumed most people here own all 3 consoles + a decent PC.

[The Fake Shemp]

Outside of one or two games, the PS3 doesn't appeal to any of us - that's why.

And who would willingly fork down $300 on a system for maybe one or two games? Most of us have 360s and PCs, and some of the more immature posters also have that dumb waggle machine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault that Sony has been pretty much irrelevant this generation.

[Bebpo]

The PS3 has enough exclusive games or "a better version of a multiplatform game" at this point to justify $300 fairly easily.  On top of that it's still the best Blu-ray player by a longshot.

Although if Japanese games and Sony 1st party stuff doesn't appeal to you I guess it wouldn't.  But anyone who likes Western & Japanese titles equally would find their money's worth.

[Bildi]

I think everyone here owned all three consoles last gen.  There's not much reason to do so this gen.

Also, being older and more mature usually means you save more money, rather than blowing it just because you can.

[Rman]

It's a great value if you're into Blurays.  It's still one of the best BR players on the market.  It also has a good share of exclusives: The Ratchet games, The Uncharteds, Wipeout HD and Fury, MotorStorm PR, Super Stardust HD, Valkyria Chronicles, LBP, Pixel Junk games, MGS4, etc.  The platform doesn't get much love here, but at its current price it's an excellent value.

[Bebpo]

I think everyone here owned all three consoles last gen.  There's not much reason to do so this gen.

I'd argue they are worth it more so.

I mean last gen everything good was on the PS2.  Xbox had a handful of great games and that was it, same with GC.  Why get anything other than a PS2?

This gen the X360/PS3 both have a handful of great exclusives and the X360 has the benefit of better 3rd party games while the PS3 has the benefit of a blu-ray player.  Wii is so different that the few times it does have good games (which obviously is not very often) the system is worth it for those new experiences.  And PC is still worth it for the indie stuff and sometimes best version of multiplatform games.

[pilonv1]

I owned all three, sold my Wii and never use my PS3. It's not that I dont think it's worth it or it doesn't have enough games, it's that I dont have time to play it. As Willco says, it's 360 and PC for me and with everything else going on in my life I dont have time for much else.

[Jansen]

you might as well buy a standalone and borrow a ps3 for the occasional exclusive (or just forget about em. it's not like you'll miss much by not playing ps3 exclusives).

[duckman2000]

you might as well buy a standalone and borrow a ps3 for the occasional exclusive (or just forget about em. it's not like you'll miss much by not playing ps3 exclusives).

Lulz.

Buy one, Chrono. You get a Blu-Ray player, a neat media system and access to any wicked awesome Sony published game.

[bork]

The PS3 has enough exclusive games or "a better version of a multiplatform game" at this point to justify $300 fairly easily.  On top of that it's still the best Blu-ray player by a longshot.

Although if Japanese games and Sony 1st party stuff doesn't appeal to you I guess it wouldn't.  But anyone who likes Western & Japanese titles equally would find their money's worth.

Chronovore has a 360 and doesn't seem to be interested in any of the PS3-only titles except for Wipeout.  He could buy a stand alone blu-ray player cheaper (well, it's Japan, so who knows  ).

I'm a multi-console owner, but I could do without the PS3, easy.  I have the least number of titles for it, and out of what I do own, seven are (true) PS3-only titles.  Out of those seven, only two (Wipeout HD Fury and Uncharted) are what I'd consider AAA-titles.  The 360 wins in my book due to its better online, better selection of downloadable titles/XBLA games, and generally better versions of multiplatform games.  That said, if I had a PS3 and not a 360, I could do fine since the majority of my favorite games are multiplatform titles.  I'd miss Halo 3 multiplayer a hell of a lot, though.  And Live.  I enjoy getting in parties with friends and being able to chat across titles and in-game in everything I'm playing.

[duckman2000]

Chronovore has a 360 and doesn't seem to be interested in any of the PS3-only titles except for Wipeout.  He could buy a stand alone blu-ray player cheaper (well, it's Japan, so who knows  ).

Sort of reminds me of myself before buying an Xbox back in the day. Only one game interested me. Turns out there was a whole bunch of cool games on the system. And I'm sure you could buy a standalone cheaper, but that does one thing, and it's not even guaranteed to do it better. Seems pretty off.

[bork]

The other day at a Sony Style store, I saw a promotion for getting a free PS3 if you buy a W-series Bravia.  Now THAT I'd jump all over.

[bork]

Chronovore has a 360 and doesn't seem to be interested in any of the PS3-only titles except for Wipeout.  He could buy a stand alone blu-ray player cheaper (well, it's Japan, so who knows  ).

Sort of reminds me of myself before buying an Xbox back in the day. Only one game interested me. Turns out there was a whole bunch of cool games on the system. And I'm sure you could buy a standalone cheaper, but that does one thing, and it's not even guaranteed to do it better. Seems pretty off.

Yeah.  I think for a large amount of people, one or the other is enough.  Gone are the days of tons and tons of truly-exclusive games that make each console worth buying.  It also feels like exclusive third-party titles for either system are almost non-existent.

[chronovore]

Oh, I'd forgotten about PixelJunk -- gotta support Q Games. Also forgot about Flower, which I've wanted to try for some time now.

I don't need anyone to sell me on my 360; I use it every day, and even have an MU for taking my GamerTag to work so I can play games during lunch. Most of my co-workers have a 360, with maybe 10~20% having a PS3. Probably 40% have a Wii but, like you guys, nobody is using it except to play Wii Sport or Monster Hunger 3Gwii/rs whatever.

Thanks for bringing up the possibility of using the PS3's media streaming with my home LAN. I hear that's easier than the equivalent function on 360, especially since I'm streaming from my iMac, which requires additional software and sometimes seems iffy. And doesn't the PS3 handle more playback formats than the 360?

If you have a 360, you don't need a PS3.  It's that simple. 

Also, aren't Bluray movies still really expensive in Japan? 

Blurays look really good but the 1080P rips you can find online aren't much worse.  I'll go so far as to say that you won't notice a different 90% of the time between a 1080P rip and the actual Bluray source on a 40" TV.  Even on my 58" TV, I rarely notice a difference.  I have about 120 Blurays but I ain't buying anymore until they start coming down in price.

Even -normal- DVDs are still stupid expensive compared to buying them in the USA. Fry's launches new DVDs at like US$12~13, right? New DVDs seem to get maybe a 5% price reduction from their 3990 price tag for movies, and even old movies on major discount in bins go for 1550 yen instead of the 6~8 bucks I see when I'm stateside.  It's bonkers. It's almost as though Japan has a captive consumer audience, incapable of buying import goods because the customer requires subtitling and dubs. Oh, wait...

I've thought about just downloading rips, but Demonoid has been knocked down for a week, and they're saying their backups are really ancient, so my account may have been zapped as well. Lame. Easier to just rent legitimately, esp. now that a Netflix-like services are finally showing up here.

[duckman2000]

Gone are the days of tons and tons of truly-exclusive games that make each console worth buying.  It also feels like exclusive third-party titles for either system are almost non-existent.

I don't agree with that at all. Of course I could live without either one of these systems (or any gaming systems at all), but in my opinion there are plenty enough unique experiences on each system to warrant owning both, and to make me feel like I'm missing out when I'm out a system. But then I considered the Xbox worthwhile with Rallisport Challenge as the only real draw at the time, so hey.

[Jansen]

you might as well buy a standalone and borrow a ps3 for the occasional exclusive (or just forget about em. it's not like you'll miss much by not playing ps3 exclusives).

Lulz.

Buy one, Chrono. You get a Blu-Ray player, a neat media system and access to any wicked awesome Sony published game.

why should he buy one when he doesn't seem all that interested in ps3 exclusives? none of the games he mentioned in the op are must plays.

hell if i remember right he doesn't even like jrpgs which cuts out one of the best games for the system (demon's soul's)

[bork]

Gone are the days of tons and tons of truly-exclusive games that make each console worth buying.  It also feels like exclusive third-party titles for either system are almost non-existent.

I don't agree with that at all. Of course I could live without either one of these systems (or any gaming systems at all), but in my opinion there are plenty enough unique experiences on each system to warrant owning both, and to make me feel like I'm missing out when I'm out a system. But then I considered the Xbox worthwhile with Rallisport Challenge as the only real draw at the time, so hey.

Such as?  I'd like to see your list of "plenty."  For me, what I'd consider to be the system's first true "killer app" looks to be Uncharted 2-- releasing three years after the PS3's debut.

[duckman2000]

you might as well buy a standalone and borrow a ps3 for the occasional exclusive (or just forget about em. it's not like you'll miss much by not playing ps3 exclusives).

Lulz.

Buy one, Chrono. You get a Blu-Ray player, a neat media system and access to any wicked awesome Sony published game.

why should he buy one when he doesn't seem all that interested in ps3 exclusives? none of the games he mentioned in the op are must plays.

hell if i remember right he doesn't even like jrpgs which cuts out one of the best games for the system (demon's soul's)

The titles he mention, and the possibility of future or unknown favorites, along with the other media features would be enough to warrant the price difference between a PS3 and a standalone that does not but play Blu-Rays, at least if the price gap is anything like it is here at the moment.

[bork]

The titles he mention,

So Flower, the Pixeljunk games, Wipeout HD, and Little Big Planet are "plenty" of exclusives for you?

and the possibility of future or unknown favorites,

No.  We're not discussing what might come out.  We're discussing what's out on the systems now.

along with the other media features would be enough to warrant the price difference between a PS3 and a standalone that does not but play Blu-Rays, at least if the price gap is anything like it is here at the moment.

Oh, I absolutely think that at $300, the PS3 is a great value and makes for a great blu-ray player.  But you and I are talking about the games here.

[duckman2000]

Such as?  I'd like to see your list of "plenty."  For me, what I'd consider to be the system's first true "killer app" looks to be Uncharted 2-- releasing three years after the PS3's debut.

For me personally, I consider Wipeout HD, Motorstorm PR, Infamous, Stardust HD and Ratchet must own exclusives that really have no matches on the 360. With Uncharted being pretty alright and Uncharted 2 looking to be a genuine masterpiece, it's more than enough to warrant ownership for me. And that's then in addition to whatever you can get out of that standalone player, and more.

Also, I'm not sure what release schedule has to do with anything; he's looking to buy the system now, not three years ago.

Oh, I absolutely think that at $300, the PS3 is a great value and makes for a great blu-ray player.  But you and I are talking about the games here.

We're talking about games and blu-rays, aren't we? Chronovore mentioned Blu-Ray and games, and the PS3 does both.

[Human Snorenado]

You guys have to keep in mind that duckman's fucking weird- he thought the PS2 sucked and didn't have any good games on it.

[bork]

You guys have to keep in mind that duckman's fucking weird- he thought the PS2 sucked and didn't have any good games on it.

What the fuck?!   

For me personally, I consider Wipeout HD, Motorstorm PR, Infamous, Stardust HD and Ratchet must own exclusives that really have no matches on the 360.

OK, so here we go.  That's a whopping FIVE games.  I'll give you six because I can't see Uncharted 2 not being totally fucking awesome.  But that's not exactly "plenty."  Also although there are certainly differences, Super Stardust is a twin stick shooter.  Geometry Wars, anyone?  Infamous?  How about Crackdown? 

Also, I'm not sure what release schedule has to do with anything; he's looking to buy the system now, not three years ago.

Huh?  You said "the possibility of future or unknown favorites."  We're talking about the stuff that he is interested in and what is out now.

[duckman2000]

You guys have to keep in mind that duckman's fucking weird- he thought the PS2 sucked and didn't have any good games on it.

The PS2 had enough good games to justify a purchase. The system itself was quite shit. Or are you now going to claim that it was up to par with the Xbox in terms of hardware and software features?

[bork]

You guys have to keep in mind that duckman's fucking weird- he thought the PS2 sucked and didn't have any good games on it.

The PS2 had enough good games to justify a purchase. The system itself was quite shit. Or are you now going to claim that it was up to par with the Xbox in terms of hardware and software features?

The Xbox offered some more features, but the PS2 was hardly "quite shit."  You also didn't have to shell out more cash for a remote if you wanted to watch some DVDs.  :P

[duckman2000]

OK, so here we go.  That's a whopping FIVE games.  I'll give you six because I can't see Uncharted 2 not being totally fucking awesome.  But that's not exactly "plenty."  Also although there are certainly differences, Super Stardust is a twin stick shooter.  Geometry Wars, anyone?  Infamous?  How about Crackdown?

If you're going to seriously claim that Infamous has an equivalent in Crackdown despite the games being completely different aside from some super human powers and an open world base, then that's just ridiculous. I'm not saying is better than the other, but they are absolutely different. I'll give you Stardust HD, though. And a "whopping five games" is plenty more than your standalone Blu-Ray player can play, so hey.

The bit about release schedule had to do with your comment on how long it took for Uncharted 2 to release. Seems pretty irrelevant.

The Xbox offered some more features, but the PS2 was hardly "quite shit."  You also didn't have to shell out more cash for a remote if you wanted to watch some DVDs. 

Dude, the system was crap. Low powered, had several hardware issues and its DVD player was subpar. Also lacked a good online service. I can see how some would love the game library (I didn't, outside of games from Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Santa Monica Studios), but the system itself? I don't get it.

[bork]

The bit about release schedule had to do with your comment on how long it took for Uncharted 2 to release. Seems pretty irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that (in my opinion, of course) the PS3 is only just now getting quote-unquote "killer apps?"  How long did things go on with fanboys proclaiming the next Sony game would be the system savior, only for it to fail? 

[duckman2000]

The bit about release schedule had to do with your comment on how long it took for Uncharted 2 to release. Seems pretty irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that (in my opinion, of course) the PS3 is only just now getting quote-unquote "killer apps?"  How long did things go on with fanboys proclaiming the next Sony game would be the system savior, only for it to fail? 

Er, that does indeed seem like a pretty irrelevant point to make in a thread about a possible purchase now. You really don't think so?

[bork]

If you're going to seriously claim that Infamous has an equivalent in Crackdown despite the games being completely different aside from some super human powers and an open world base, then that's just ridiculous. I'm not saying is better than the other, but they are absolutely different. I'll give you Stardust HD, though.

So they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, but similar?  

Dude, the system was crap. Low powered,

Who cares about its power?  That didn't stop it from becoming the clear best system of the last generation, and getting shitloads upon shitloads of awesome fucking games.  And it's still getting releases, nine years later.

had several hardware issues

PS2 and Xbox both had hardware issues up the wazoo.  I know this from experience; the game shop I worked at used to repair both systems.  The slim PS2s seem to be of good quality though.  Xbox never got any better.  I'll also give it to Sony for having better hardware this gen.  Far less PS3s go bad compared to the boatloads of RRoD'd 360s.  

and its DVD player was subpar.

It was fine.  Later models even offered progressive scan.

Also lacked a good online service.

That wasn't as big a deal last generation.  Only the Xbox had any real kind of online service going; the Game Cube, PS2, and Dreamcast did not.

I can see how some would love the game library (I didn't, outside of games from Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Santa Monica Studios), but the system itself? I don't get it.

What I don't get is you saying you only like a few games on the PS2.  It has a fucking amazing library.  I have well over 100 games for it.

[Human Snorenado]

Told you!  It's not like he's totally insane or anything, but duckman is definitely OFF a bit.  He's certainly fixated on hardware too much and absolutely fixates on one game on a system as a sole reason to own it- Rallisport on the og xbox and Wipeout HD on PS3.  Just a weird dude.

[duckman2000]

So they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, but similar?

Not very similar at all, no. They are more powerful than average humans, and there is a city to explore (edit: with some collectibles). End similarities. Infamous is not an equivalent of Crackdown, or vice versa.

What I don't get is you saying you only like a few games on the PS2.  It has a fucking amazing library.  I have well over 100 games for it.

It absolutely has a fucking amazing library... if you like the games, which I generally did not. I liked enough games to warrant a purchase, but seeing as how I don't care much for Japanese games, a lot of the appeal of the system was lost. It being an underpowered mess didn't help.

[Third]

Buy it

You won't regret it.

[cool breeze]

Outside of one or two games, the PS3 doesn't appeal to any of us - that's why.

And who would willingly fork down $300 on a system for maybe one or two games? Most of us have 360s and PCs, and some of the more immature posters also have that dumb waggle machine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault that Sony has been pretty much irrelevant this generation.

While I disagree from my situation, I still kinda agree for the average person.

If you own at least a PC, 360 or PS3 and don't feel the need to play every game, you shouldn't need every system.  It's better to wait until the end, buy the console and play the exclusives.  The only thing you really miss out on is multiplayer, but if you don't care about that, it's no real loss.  It's actually the best way to experience the Wii since it gets about two or three good games a year and doesn't really have multiplayer.

[tiesto]

I had fun with MGS4, love Wipeout HD/Fury and am currently in the middle of Valkyria Chronicles, which is really fucking good. Can't say I regret my PS3 purchase, although granted I spend a lot of time playing upscaled PS1/2 games on it.

[Brehvolution]

Buy one. Use it for a week. take it back if you don't like it.

[Bocsius]

I still can't believe how many people on a mature forum are not multi-console owners.  I mean I expect places like GAF or gamefaqs to have a lot of single console owners cause there are a lot of kids with no money and fanboys with little intelligence, but here where most posters are adults with jobs and income and more general objectivity, I generally assumed most people here own all 3 consoles + a decent PC.

I actually think the opposite, people on message boards more easily fall into the trap of thinking they have to own all the systems. Somehow makes the man region bigger.

I had them all last time around, wasn't worth it. And I barely have enough interest to support one console right now.

[Don Flamenco]

not a bad time to be a PS3 owner.  There are some great PSN exclusive games, NGS2, Demon's Souls next week, then Uncharted 2. 

[Kestastrophe]

I regretted buying a new PS3 for $400 earlier this year, but I got a used one from a gaffer for $250 and I think it was well worth it at that price. As someone who is an open-world game aficionado, I can't help but think that you would enjoy Infamous. There are a handful of games that are worth playing on the system, but don't expect overall quality to challenge the 360.

[chronovore]

Have you bought one on the way home, chronovore? I know I would have.
I haven't played any of the really big exclusives, only PSN stuff like Wipeout, Flower, Super Stardust, and I still think it's an extremely worthy purchase.

Not bought yet. Still waffling, but nearer a purchase now than before, because of the arguments around Bluray player/media playback and a few existing exclusives. None of the arguments about unreleased stuff have any sway on me. All of my hopes for sequels being excellent just because the original was great were dashed with Mercenaries 2. So smugdrake doesn't really sway me. I'd forgotten about Stardust HD and Everyday Shooter; I'm interested in those, too. Probably will buy for Bluray, and occasionally toss some microtransaction currency at a downloadable game.

I'm not regretting mine so far.  Infamous is humpilicious. 

PSN store sucks giant mooseballs compared to XBL Marketplace tho.

Man, no kidding. It sucks on the PSP and on playstation.co.jp as well. The Xbox Marketplace is still too hard to navigate easily, but it's like a Rolodex compared to Sony's Dewey decimal system.

[Third]

There are a handful of games that are worth playing on the system, but don't expect overall quality to challenge the 360.

I'd say both consoles have the same amount of good games. The only difference is that X360 started out  strong this generation, but is pretty mediocre nowadays.
Ps3 is a late bloomer and is getting the better exclusives now.

This gen will not be a race, but a marathon. I expect Ps3 to have the best library eventually.

[Smooth Groove]

I still can't believe how many people on a mature forum are not multi-console owners.  I mean I expect places like GAF or gamefaqs to have a lot of single console owners cause there are a lot of kids with no money and fanboys with little intelligence, but here where most posters are adults with jobs and income and more general objectivity, I generally assumed most people here own all 3 consoles + a decent PC.

I actually think the opposite, people on message boards more easily fall into the trap of thinking they have to own all the systems. Somehow makes the man region bigger.

I had them all last time around, wasn't worth it. And I barely have enough interest to support one console right now.

I agree.  It's even more unnecssary to own all systems in this gen.  90% of the good games are playable on both the PS3 and 360.  Last gen, the PS2 had a ton of AAA exclusives so it was worth owning even though multiplatform titles ran better on the Xbox.  Otoh, the PS3 not only run multiplatform titles worse but it also has few AAA exclusives.  Unless a 360 owner really needs to play those few exclusives or watch Blu-ray, there really is no point in getting a PS3.  Also, I wish people would stop perpetrating the lie that the PS3 is the best Blu-ray player on the market.  If that is true, Sony wouldn't be selling Blu-ray players that cost several times the price of a PS3.  There's no doubt that PS3 is a good Blu-ray player but there are certainly better ones. 

In terms of maturity affecting one's system purchase, videogame related purchases should go down as maturity goes up.  The more mature you get, the more you should realize that time spent on videogames could be better spent elsewhere. 

It absolutely has a fucking amazing library... if you like the games, which I generally did not.

...

oookay, i thought i'd posted in this tread already - Chron, get a PS3. It's time. But get a 20/60 gig fatty if you can - second hand in TK seems to be under the price of a slim and it has more nice stuffs!

Games - lots of titles that aren't on the X360 for you to try.

Et tu, XFE?   

[duckman2000]

Also, I wish people would stop perpetrating the lie that the PS3 is the best Blu-ray player on the market.  If that is true, Sony wouldn't be selling Blu-ray players that cost several times the price of a PS3.  There's no doubt that PS3 is a good Blu-ray player but there are certainly better ones.

I sure as hell am not saying that. But I am saying that it's a very good Blu-Ray player that also does a whole lot of things that standalone players don't, and I'd wager it's a good measure better than the entry level stuff on the market. Whether the added features, like playing some pretty awesome exclusives, is worth the by now rather small price difference between a PS3 and a straight up Blu-Ray player is obviously up to personal preferences and needs.

[Himu]

- Flower
- Pixeljunk Monsters
- Pixeljunk Eden
- Elefunk
- Lemmings
- Super Stardust HD
- Uncharted
- Valkyria Chronicles
- Little Big Planet
- Infamous
- Everyday Shooter
- Wipeout HD
- Motorstorm and Pacific Rift
- Folklore
- Demons Soul
- Siren Blood Curse

[Smooth Groove]

Also, I wish people would stop perpetrating the lie that the PS3 is the best Blu-ray player on the market.  If that is true, Sony wouldn't be selling Blu-ray players that cost several times the price of a PS3.  There's no doubt that PS3 is a good Blu-ray player but there are certainly better ones.

I sure as hell am not saying that. But I am saying that it's a very good Blu-Ray player that also does a whole lot of things that standalone players don't, and I'd wager it's a good measure better than the entry level stuff on the market. Whether the added features, like playing some pretty awesome exclusives, is worth the by now rather small price difference between a PS3 and a straight up Blu-Ray player is obviously up to personal preferences and needs.

The PS3 is a great multimedia player but it's lacking one major feature, netflix streaming.  If someone is buying a PS3 mostly for multimedia reasons, I would suggest that person also check out the Blu-ray players that support Netflix.  Once Netflix get a huge portion of its on-demand library in HD, Netflix streaming will almost be an essential feature for people that watch a lot of films and TV. 

[Mr. Gundam]

- Flower
- Pixeljunk Monsters
- Pixeljunk Eden
- Elefunk
- Lemmings
- Super Stardust HD
- Uncharted
- Valkyria Chronicles
- Little Big Planet
- Infamous
- Everyday Shooter
- Wipeout HD
- Motorstorm and Pacific Rift
- Folklore
- Demons Soul
- Siren Blood Curse

And on the import side of things:
- Ryu ga Gotoku Kenzan!
- Ryu ga Gotoku 3
- Mobile Suit Gundam Battlefield Record U.C. 0081 (seriously, it's not like that POS Target in Sight/Crossfire)

[MCD]

get another x360.

support emperor dcharlie.

[Himu]

What I've played of MLB The Show's demo was fun as hell, forgot about that one.

Elefunk is great.

[Smooth Groove]

If you've ever wondered why Sony is in 3rd place, then just take look at Himu's list. 

[Himu]

better exclusives than 360 or wii

[Smooth Groove]

better exclusives than 360 or wii