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Rman

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What happened to the guitar solo?
« on: October 02, 2009, 07:36:23 PM »
I'm listening to some 80s rock bands on Pandora and it just reminds me how many awesome guitar solos these songs have.  What happened to the guitar solo in recent rock music?  It is dead and buried.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 07:39:30 PM »
It went the way of "the lead singer who can actually sing and not whine."
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 07:39:43 PM »
80's rock bands killed it.  Seriously.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 07:42:28 PM »
It went the way of "the lead singer who can actually sing and not whine."
This is the main reason why it's so hard for me to find rock music that I actually enjoy.

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 07:43:14 PM »
They're starting to come back. The 90's music scene really distanced itself from solos, most folks were burnt out on them, and they had mostly just become a cliché. Bands were putting them in every song, regardless of their players abilities to write/play anything remotely memorable.

We're starting to see a movement back to "shredder" style guitar players these days, so the solos won't be far behind.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 07:43:39 PM »
80's rock bands killed it.  Seriously.

yup
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 09:14:46 PM »
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Chris Cornell needs to stop with the pop crap and get Soundgarden back together.  :maf
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 10:57:31 PM »
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Chris Cornell needs to stop with the pop crap and get Soundgarden back together.  :maf



AFAIK, him and Kim Thayil never left on bad terms so anything is possible, I think they all just decided to walk away while whatever made Soundgarden awesome remained awesome.

Also, guitar solos usually interrupt a song's flow rather than enhance it, there are still great guitar solos if you know where to look, even in unexpected places:

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 11:12:08 PM »
They need to get the fucking band back together and compose music for a new Road Rash game. If EA makes a new Road Rash, that and Sega Racing Classic will make it feel like 1994 all over again.  :-*

Also, that Wilco clip is awesome.  :-*

Anyone here like Joe Satriani? He does awesome solos.  :-*
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 11:13:00 PM »
I've never listened to Fagco before but that song was pretty good.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2009, 12:41:12 AM »
80's rock bands killed it.  Seriously.

I agree that most 80's bands just ran the guitar solo into the ground.  However, GnR brought it back in style, and Ten-era Pearl Jam damn near perfected it.  I'm not sure where else guitar solos could go after Appetite and Ten.  They certainly couldn't get any better so it was better to just disappear. 

It was definitely a dying art before GnR hit the scene, so in essence guitar solos have been dead for over 20 years save for those two bands.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2009, 12:42:06 AM »
baroness, the red album

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2009, 12:59:48 AM »
I'm more curious why bad 80s hair metal came back in style.

And why isn't Buckethead in this thread? His horror/funk style at least offered something different to solos.

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2009, 01:01:21 AM »
I've never listened to Fagco before but that song was pretty good.

Country/Folk inspired rock or alt-country-ish stuff is the best scene right now. IF YOU ASK ME.

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2009, 04:28:00 AM »
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 01:57:48 PM »
What I've heard from my friends whose band almost got signed by a major label is that the studios usually aren't too hot on solos these days, and they often won't allow bands to do solos longer than four or eight bars, if they do them at all. This is one reason why you'll sometimes see bands insert guitar solos into live versions of songs that didn't have them on the album versions.
this is true, specifically regarding major labels. hearing wilco live is amazing solely for the guitar solos, my god.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 02:13:33 PM »
Why would that matter at all?

Anyways Guitar-bore, how are you guys doing? I picked up a guitar over the summer (over my bass for a little bit :teehee) and have been really, really, enjoying it and been starting ot compose. Learning all the chords sucks ass though and I only know like 6, and that's just A,E,D, and then A2,E2,D2 lols
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 02:14:06 PM »
Also one thing I haven't learned yet, with a guitar, are the chords like bass chords in that they work anyweres or am I limited in only using the E chord on the first two frets? Thanx
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 02:17:32 PM »
What happened to the guitar solo in recent rock music?  It is dead and buried.

Listen to Iron Maiden you cock.

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2009, 02:45:00 PM »
Also one thing I haven't learned yet, with a guitar, are the chords like bass chords in that they work anyweres or am I limited in only using the E chord on the first two frets? Thanx

...is this a serious post?  Not ragging on you, I honestly can't tell. the "thanx" throws me off

Either way, yes, guitar chords can work anywhere on the fretboard, juuuust like bass.  In fact sticking to the first three or four frets is fucking boring - bar chords all around the neck sound the best, to me anyway.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2009, 04:13:46 PM »
Yes it was a serious post; not knowing a thing about guitar and coming from bass there's a world of differences.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 04:14:15 PM »
Plus I read that guitar scales aren't like bass scales and are easy transformable, they're all different or w/e
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 04:18:25 PM »
That's fairly true, but it's easy to make adjustments.  I play bass on the side every once and a while if I jam with some of my friends, it's not too tough to go back and forth.

Learn your standard bar chords for each key, and play around with the diminished and add7s and what not, you'll learn a lot that way.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 04:22:52 PM »
Do you have any books to reccomend? I can't find any as good as Bass Guitar for Dummies is on guitar side.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2009, 04:59:19 PM »
I never really used a lot of books, to be honest, I just taught myself by ear.  But I've heard some friends recommend some blues books before, and some Hendrix ones as well.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2009, 08:41:48 PM »
Do you have any books to reccomend? I can't find any as good as Bass Guitar for Dummies is on guitar side.

If your goal is learning about writing a song in key and playing in key it's really hard to find a book that teaches scale and chord theory in a concise and efficient way without missing out massive pieces of information.  A lot of them also teach in a really long and drawn out manner.  I think your best bet is to use the internet and google "guitar chord theory".

Most of them like to talk note names (like C, E, G) which is very, very far from the most efficient way of learning chord theory on the guitar.  Because you can move shapes up and down the neck on guitar it is more about intervals and shapes than note names.  As said previously, if you know how to do a major barre chord at the third fret, you automatically know how to do a major barre chord in every fret - the only note you need to know is the root note (what I mean is you need to know that G occurs on the bottom string at the third fret if you want to play a G major chord).  What the name of the other notes in the chord is doesn't really matter.  So going on and on about note names in chords is not an efficient way to learn on guitar.

To get you started, here's a major scale on the guitar starting on the bottom string.  The notes have been labelled 1 through 7 which is important for the next step of constructing a chord.



Once you know this shape, you can play the major scale in every key by just moving the shape up and down the neck.  If you start with the "1" on the third fret, bottom string, you'll play a G major scale.

Chords are constructed by playing certain notes from the scale at once.  A major chord consists of the 1st, 3rd and 5th note of the scale, played together.  A minor chord is the same as a major, except you play a flat 3rd.  So you play the first and fifth notes of the major scale, but you move the third note back one fret.

This page will help you further:

http://www.fretjam.com/guitar-chord-theory.html

It's not a bad page, but misses out the first step I just outlined which is fairly crucial.  If you look at their image of a major chord, you will see how the notes line up with the major scale above:



Notice how a minor chord is the same, but flattens the 3rd:



This might get you started in the right direction if it's what you are after.  Learning how you come up with the chords in a certain key is the next step, but you have to get this stuff down before you move onto that.  But once you learn it, you'll be able to write songs in any key, and improvise over those chords in key (whether your notes sound any good is another matter and requires practice, but you have to know where the right notes are to begin with).

The other nice thing about understanding this stuff is that you can play any chord you want once you can read chord names (which isn't hard).  It might take you a minute to figure out but if a song has an Am7add13 you could do it without referring to a book or anything.  If you are a professional session player, of course you know zillions of chord shapes already, but for bedroom playing you don't need to memorise zillions of chord shapes, you just have to know how to make them (or you need a big-ass chord shape book and refer to it all the time).

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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2009, 09:13:44 PM »
That helps ALOT. Thanks. The guitar major scale isn't that much different than the bass major scale also, so I already technically know half of it lol.

Another dumb question: Notes are the same, right? A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G#?
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2009, 10:05:14 AM »
Wow, yes, the notes are the same. New sonic landscapes did not spring into existence when the guitar was created.



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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 05:19:58 PM »
And why isn't Buckethead in this thread? His horror/funk style at least offered something different to solos.

Can you recommend me some songs where he plays a "horror/funk" style? I want to hear what a horror style sounds like.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2009, 06:54:24 PM »
They're starting to come back. The 90's music scene really distanced itself from solos, most folks were burnt out on them, and they had mostly just become a cliché. Bands were putting them in every song, regardless of their players abilities to write/play anything remotely memorable.

We're starting to see a movement back to "shredder" style guitar players these days, so the solos won't be far behind.

nailed it.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2009, 07:15:29 PM »
There's a strong contingent of cheeseballs who have mancrushes on Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, and any cigarillo who can shred.  The only feeling that shit emotes is "look at me."  The art of the solo never evolved.  It's a little showcase for technical ability and that's just about it 99% of the time.   

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:lol  I'll take neil young's cinnamon girl solo over this corny shit.

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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2009, 07:48:30 PM »
On second thought, this doesn't make any sense.
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Re: What happened to the guitar solo?
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2009, 07:57:06 PM »
I should qualify my bizarre rant by saying there are lots of solos I like, but a lot of them aren't particularly technically great.  I hate mentioning them to people because they bring "talent" into the argument.  Like if you cite how a solo is classically influenced while also maintaining 75 notes a second, that somehow makes it objectively better.