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Gary Whitta's Book of Eli screened...and is crap (spoilers)
« on: October 08, 2009, 07:04:34 PM »
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Bascially the end of the world as we know it has occured due to the ravages of a nuclear holocaust 30 years previous. The reasons for the holocaust were religious differences between the countries in control (that could be a reference to any number of potential nuclear war potentials). In many ways the story makes sense. I mean, religious turmoil has been around since the beginning of time and who knows when the button could be pushed by some rogue crazy fuck country. The problem with this particular story is : the dialogue, the acting AND the broad strokes the directors seem to want to take WITH the story. There are no real distinct details to make the story more believeable. Basically, Eli has the only bible left on the planet and with it comes the power to re-evolve the "masses" and put back civilzation on the correct path of redemption. This is the reason, too, that Gary Oldman's character wants the bible. His desire for control is more deviant and repressive. A strange detail to this movie is that it appears that Gary Oldman and Denzel are two of the only people still living that remember what the "book" or bible really is. Kind of hard to believe when you think about it.

First off let me say that I love Denzel. I also love Mila. I must say too that I have a bunch of respect for Gary Oldman. These are all "veterans" of the acting genre. When I was watching this movie the only thing I could think about was that this must be either a "joke" reel or they are going to have to go back to have massive re-shoots to cover up some of these scenes. Mila comes across as completely one dimensional as with no real purpose to the story.

Spoiler Free Synopsis of the movie: The planet is devastated and inhabitated by a bunch of Road Warrior wannabe's after some type of religion-fueled nuclear war 30 years previous. A man named Eli (Denzel) was given a "message" years previous to deliver a book (the bible) somehere to the WEST for the sake of of a religious "re-birth" and evolution to occur for society. The message "Eli" received was pretty vague and there are underlying challenges he faces to this journey. More cahllenges than actually meet the "eye", so to speak. It will spoil the plot to say anything else but let me tell you this... The only good thing about this movie is Denzel. There is also a MAJOR plot twist that occurs at the end of the movie to indicate to the audience the challenge and sacrifice the journey must have been for "Eli". All I could think when this "twist" occurs was "there is no fucking way that could actually be the case". The Hughes brothers must have thought about the cheapest trick in the book to put over on the audience and then EXPECT them to believe it. And there in lies another problem with the movie. It feels almost as if it is some low budget movie of the week. The pacing and delivery in the current version is also just way too slow.

The good:

Denzel is GREAT. None of his previous characters come close to what he delivers from a bad-ass perspective. Both gentle at times and lethal at others. I mean really LETHAL. The movie is at its best when the few (too few in my opinion) action sequences occur. Denzel is in a class by himself but the end result is he should've done something with the script/cast before accepting this role.

Jennifer Beals plays the she-servant to Gary Oldman's bad guy. She is also the mother of Mila's character. It is too bad that Jennifer is somewhat underused and really the only other positive igredient to the entire cast.

The good ends with that.

The bad:

Gary Oldman- in his typical "waiting to explode with over-acting" bad guy routine. He plays the only other character who realizes the value of the bible. How are he and Denzel the only two people on the planet who know the value of the bible? Just doesn't make sense.

Mila Kunis- whom I love- is completely out of place and serves NO purpose in this movie and her acting is about as cardboard as you can get in this movie- but I still love her.

The countless dispensable bad-guy goons- the only purpose of these guys is to show the efficiency of Denzel with a blade.

The cinematography- looked like a made for t.v. movie. The colorization was awful as well. They said it wasn't completely "colorized" but I can't see how ANY color could help this movie. The best looking part of this movie has been the trailer. Boy does the trailer mispresent this stinker.

The whole movie just seemed bland. The ending is what it is. There IS a message to why Eli (Denzel) is delivering the "book" and what it hopes to do for the world. There are really just too many questions at the end of the movie and really not enough to close all of the gaping holes of questions that are never answered.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for a great message that will help people realize the benefits of a belief system..blah blah blah...but the movie itself is unbelieveable and therein lies the problem. You just don't suspend belief enough to believe this could happen.
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Re: Gary Whitta's Book of Eli screened...and is crap (spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 07:05:20 PM »
People actually expected this to be good? It's known that Gary WHitta is a terrible writer and that's why his last few screenplays didn't get picked up. From what i've heard form "in the know" friends is that this screenplay was bought, then so radically changed that it's barely Gary Whitta's  :lol
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 07:08:53 PM »
Uh, that's the case for almost any major motion picture, MyNameIsMud.

... do you think the credited writer is the only person who touches the screenplay? That just doesn't happen. It's not an indictment against Whitta that a studio sent dozens of other writers to work on the screenplay, because that happens for every movie in the system.

It's really tough from this screening to see if Whitta's script is the weak link, numerous rewrites, the Hughes Brothers, etc.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 07:12:18 PM »
No, that's not the case for every movie. There are re-writes but not to the point where the directors go "this is trash, let us pay you for the idea". Whitta is just a terrible screenwriter and a terrible story teller, a man baby who thought he could write.

The only reason we care about this is because GAF is protecting him. I bet if you said something like "Wow, AICN says it's terrible, will pass." then you'd get insta banned. That's the glory of Evilbore, you can freely express your opnion on "gafcelebrities" and not get anal reamed because the mods have a ego problem.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
Yeah, after the schill fest he's done over there and acting like his screenplay was oscar worthy.  :lol
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 07:17:00 PM »
No, that's not the case for every movie. There are re-writes but not to the point where the directors go "this is trash, let us pay you for the idea".

No, that is the case for just about every movie. Very few writers, and usually its director-writers, get to keep their screenplay intact on a major Hollywood picture. Don't lecture me on how the system works.

Furthermore, Whitta was pretty much the only writer on set for the entire production - if your fairy tale was really the case, he would not have been there whatsoever. You're telling me the studio bought his script, hated it, had other folks work on it, then invited him on set to do rewrites and assist production on account that he's a terrible storyteller?

That's distinguished mentally-challenged.

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Whitta is just a terrible screenwriter and a terrible story teller, a man baby who thought he could write.

He gets work as a screenwriter, so he obviously has some skill. Spec scripts are the toughest screenplays to sell, and the fact that he managed to do so speaks to his credit. Without a real body of work, you can't make the proclamation that he is an awful screenwriter.

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The only reason we care about this is because GAF is protecting him. I bet if you said something like "Wow, AICN says it's terrible, will pass." then you'd get insta banned. That's the glory of Evilbore, you can freely express your opnion on "gafcelebrities" and not get anal reamed because the mods have a ego problem.

You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. Like ManaByte, you obviously harbor some kind of grudge against the dude - I don't care either way, but don't talk out of your ass.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 07:18:40 PM »
I didn't say they didn't get him to re-write it.

Also, relaly Wilco? It's tough to sell a spect script? REALLY?

Gary Whitta is done in Hollywood. This movie is going to flop and he's going to go back to writing for IGN or w/e.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 07:19:30 PM »
From what Whitta is saying at GAF, it's actually pretty faithful to his script.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 07:20:15 PM »
I went and saw that meh-fest Doomsday, so, no doubt, I'll go watch this as well.

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 07:21:28 PM »
I didn't say they didn't get him to re-write it.

If the studio really hated his script, they wouldn't have brought him on set. Period.

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Also, relaly Wilco? It's tough to sell a spect script? REALLY?

No, it's obviously easy - that's why it happens all the time. Oh wait a minute!

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Gary Whitta is done in Hollywood. This movie is going to flop and he's going to go back to writing for IGN or w/e.

He's already gotten work working on other scripts. He may not be a major player, but with a credit to his name, he'll be able to get work cleaning up screenplays.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 07:23:10 PM »
From what Whitta is saying at GAF, it's actually pretty faithful to his script.

bu bu bu ten billion writers rewrote the screenplay on account that he sucks so much at writing
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 07:23:17 PM »
I just don't understand why you stick up for this guy; similiar to how you don't understand why I hate him. Paradox.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 07:24:21 PM »
when was the last time Denzel was weaponless in a film? smh
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 07:25:04 PM »
The last time Gary Whitta wrote something interesting.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 07:26:55 PM »
I'm not sticking up for this guy. The film may very well be trash, but I'm knowledgeable enough about the system to know that what you're spewing is pure garbage.

I do not doubt multiple writers worked on the script. It might very well be garbage.

... That said, the studio had confidence enough to buy the screenplay and retain Whitta on set for the entire production. He is obviously not a complete hack - he did something right.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 07:28:23 PM »
How do you know it wasn't at the beset of the directors Mr. Holywood Big Shot? If this movie is trash, then I highly doubt the studios themselves wanted whitta there.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 07:30:40 PM »
I went and saw that meh-fest Doomsday, so, no doubt, I'll go watch this as well.

Post-apocalypse is my kryptonite.  :'(

Doomsday was pretty good

It had some flash, but barely enough substance to fill a thimble. Also, it felt like several different movies stitched together.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 07:32:55 PM »
I just don't understand why you stick up for this guy; similiar to how you don't understand why I hate him. Paradox.

It seems like it's a case of jealousy. Maybe you have a more tangible reason, I don't know.

I know another guy on this board hated Gary because of something he did when he was editor at PC Gamer.

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 07:34:18 PM »
I have a private reason why I hate Whitta. He was just a rude SOB to me.

Anywho, Doomsday worth the watch? My friend lost my Warriors DVD and instead of buying me a new one he gave me his "Doomsday" dvd and I haven't watched it yet. Is there tits?
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 07:36:15 PM »
I have a private reason why I hate Whitta. He was just a rude SOB to me.

Anywho, Doomsday worth the watch? My friend lost my Warriors DVD and instead of buying me a new one he gave me his "Doomsday" dvd and I haven't watched it yet. Is there tits?

I think I believe jealousy more than I do rudeness.


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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 07:36:47 PM »
Who is MyNameIsMud? I cant keep up with name changes!

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 07:37:24 PM »
I have a private reason why I hate Whitta. He was just a rude SOB to me.

Anywho, Doomsday worth the watch? My friend lost my Warriors DVD and instead of buying me a new one he gave me his "Doomsday" dvd and I haven't watched it yet. Is there tits?

I think I believe jealousy more than I do rudeness.



It's not jealously and I can't disclose it because we went to court over it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 07:40:13 PM »
Who is MyNameIsMud? I cant keep up with name changes!

Methodis.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 07:41:13 PM »
what

can any of you hollywood hot shots hook me up with some role? I just wanna see my name in the credits of a movie. here's mugshot

You know im just right for that one role

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How about the role of "Michael Cera" in "Michael Cera"?
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 07:48:17 PM »
I have a private reason why I hate Whitta. He was just a rude SOB to me.

Anywho, Doomsday worth the watch? My friend lost my Warriors DVD and instead of buying me a new one he gave me his "Doomsday" dvd and I haven't watched it yet. Is there tits?

I think I believe jealousy more than I do rudeness.



It's not jealously and I can't disclose it because we went to court over it.

Okay. But most people here are going to wonder how rudeness translated to a court case.




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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2009, 07:49:58 PM »
Who is MyNameIsMud? I cant keep up with name changes!

Methodis.

Is he always this bitter?

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »
I have a private reason why I hate Whitta. He was just a rude SOB to me.

Anywho, Doomsday worth the watch? My friend lost my Warriors DVD and instead of buying me a new one he gave me his "Doomsday" dvd and I haven't watched it yet. Is there tits?

I think I believe jealousy more than I do rudeness.



It's not jealously and I can't disclose it because we went to court over it.

Okay. But most people here are going to wonder how rudeness translated to a court case.





I was also known as "Sylar the baseball prophet".

And like I said, I can't disclose what happened.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2009, 08:26:25 PM »
I think the movie will be shit and all but I just can't trust a reviewer that says that Gary Fucking Oldman is the bad part of the movie especially one with Denzel in it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2009, 10:52:04 PM »
bah I gotta read before responding. Even if you hate a guy personally you don't need to slag off his work at the earliest opportunity.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2009, 11:35:41 PM »
Yeah, let's hold off on critiquing someone's work when all we have to go on is a barely coherent Internet post from an early screening.

... but no, MyNameIsMud has an axe to grind!

Also, dude, you think The Hughes Brothers have enough clout to demand Whitta on set? :lol

And that Whitta formed some kind of tight knit relationship with the directors before anyone realize his script was "trash"? :lol

You're grasping for straws.
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 11:59:09 PM »
Did someone forget to give Methodis his crazy pills? Sheesh, somebody is a little psycho-butthurt.
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2009, 12:09:33 AM »
Did someone forget to give Methodis his crazy pills? Sheesh, somebody is a little psycho-butthurt.

The guy got butt raped by Gary Whitta, cut him some slack. Gary promised they'd just be JOing, no gay stuff.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2009, 12:22:35 AM »
SPOIL THE ENDING
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2009, 12:26:03 AM »
Eli is Jesus, how fucking dense do you have to be to see that's not the "big twist"?
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2009, 12:26:52 AM »
The twist is that Gary Whitta raped MyNameIsMud because he was in a vortex.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2009, 12:29:08 AM »
Atleast I wasn't sucking him off for a job in hollywood
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2009, 12:35:11 AM »
Thread is tl;dr

But I get the feeling from the first part of the thread that this is the MyNameIsMud version of Kosma's Polanski defense.

How do you know it wasn't at the beset of the directors Mr. Holywood Big Shot? If this movie is trash, then I highly doubt the studios themselves wanted whitta there.

Take that, for example.

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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2009, 12:36:29 AM »
Atleast I wasn't sucking him off for a job in hollywood

I wish I was sucking Gary Whitta off for a job - I certainly wouldn't be here talking to you!
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2009, 12:50:01 AM »
Eli is Jesus, how fucking dense do you have to be to see that's not the "big twist"?

That's fucking stupid.
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2009, 12:50:28 AM »
Also, WHY ARE YOU SO SASSY IN THIS THREAD.
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2009, 08:01:50 AM »
Maybe the movie will blow, getting a movie right is such a crapshoot even when talented people are involved, but if the script was good enough to be the catalyst that brought the Hughes bros. out of their semi-retirement it must have something going for it.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2009, 12:15:16 PM »
 :lol Exactly, people hating on me at Evilbore is nothing new.  :lol
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2009, 07:36:50 PM »
It's not perfect, but there are a lot of other problems.

Also, the output has always been mostly garbage, there's just more noise in the marketplace nowadays.
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2009, 07:41:57 PM »
Because most writers are crap or just not get paid enough to put some real effort in the scripts.
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2009, 07:54:25 PM »
The vast majority of writers in hollywood are called "scrub writers" who are hired to quickly work on a script or re-write that a studio bought. That's why they suck.
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2009, 07:56:04 PM »
If there are so many writers out there, and studios bring in so many people for rewrites, why do such a large percentage of films end up with mediocre to terrible scripts?

Not really, Diunx.

That's a loaded question, and one that someone could write an entire book answering. And it's really the wrong question - it should read, "Why do we end up with such a large percentage of awful films?"

And that's because making a good film is a total crapshoot. You need a good writer, a great producer, a strong director, a talented DP, clever editor, collaborative crew and a solid cast. Getting all of those elements lined up, and staying within the framework set by a studio, is pretty fucking difficult.

An awful cast can make a great script look bad, but so can a crew that is temperamental. If the whole project is held up by a producer that has no confidence in his crew, that person can also undermine the entire production.

That's not including insidious things, like studio notes and screenings. Hollywood is nothing but a bunch of stories about films that are ruined by notes and stupid executive decisions. My favorite example of this is William Peter Blatty's Exorcist III: Legion. Go look it up, it's a fascinating production. And I think a book is coming out this year.

... but filmmaking is a very difficult thing. Everything has to line up in order, and it's rarely just the screenplay that is the undoing of any one film. Great, imaginative directors have propped up substandard scripts numerous times. And great screenplays have also propped up mediocre productions.

I'll give you an instance of something that happened to me today. I'm working on a project, and one of the producers (who is very suit-ish), read the latest draft of one my scripts. He tells me he loves it (with an exclamation point, no less), but...

... and proceeds to write a bullet point list of a dozen fucking pointless revisions. Really stupid stuff. Like, I had a character with no dialogue at the end, because it was unnecessary, but he wants to include a scene where he looks at the camera and says this truly awful line of dialogue (that he wrote). And this is a very small production, so imagine what it's like working for a major.

And Methodis is correct that there is a large reservoir of uncredited writers that work on stuff, usually to address studio concerns and not to really lend their strength to the screenplay. Most of the credited guys turn out meddling stuff at best because they know it will sell.

Truly imaginative stuff is a tough sell.
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2009, 08:39:49 PM »
Did atrocious dialogue financially hurt Independence Day or Transformers or all six Star Wars movies? I'm going to have to believe many movies have bad dialogue on purpose.


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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2009, 08:43:57 PM »
Did atrocious dialogue financially hurt Independence Day or Transformers or all six Star Wars movies? I'm going to have to believe many movies have bad dialogue on purpose.

Malek pretty much gets the score. Studios don't care about art, they just want money.
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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2009, 08:52:30 PM »
You think too much. This is Hollywood.
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« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2009, 08:53:49 PM »
Uhhh Independence Day didn't have atrocious dialogue. It have one of the best presidential speeches OF ALL TIME.

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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2009, 09:09:02 PM »
but what about stuff like Stealth
There's a difference between bad dialogue and eye-rolling, groan-inducing dialogue. And dialogue wasn't the movie's only problem.

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Re: Gary Whitta's Book of Eli screened...and is crap (spoilers)
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2009, 09:37:39 PM »
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With Star Wars, you've got Lucas with full creative control, so the blame for that rests entirely on him.

IIRC Lucas has said he thinks he's a terrible writer, so it definitely falls in the "bad dialogue on purpose" category.
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Re: Gary Whitta's Book of Eli screened...and is crap (spoilers)
« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2009, 04:49:26 PM »
You think too much. This is Hollywood.
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Re: Gary Whitta's Book of Eli screened...and is crap (spoilers)
« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2009, 05:01:05 PM »
You think too much. This is Hollywood.
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