hot or not? (dante's inferno related) verdict: NOT NOT NOT

[demi]

Hey woah guys, I understand what you are saying. Obviously no game will be as good as DMC4, lets keep it real. But respect is due. Dante's Inferno is hot. You are in the wrong hobby to shrug off something because it "apes" something. If that were the case nobody would have a PS3.

[Third]

Obviously no game will be as good as DMC4, lets keep it real.

DMC 4 
Bayonetta trashes it. Even the shitty Ninja Gaiden 2 is better than DMC4.

I wouldn't compare GOW or Dante's Inferno with any of those games, though. GOW is more of an adventure game.

[Jansen]

playing this with the superior 360 controller was so much better and it was already great!

based on their demos dante's inferno takes a massive dump on god of war 3.

[brawndolicious]

based on their demos dante's inferno takes a massive dump on god of war 3.

What specifically is better or worse?

[demi]

Dante is a character you can relate to man. Kratos is just... emo, you know? I cant relate to that. Dante is human.

[Ichirou]

Downloading now.

[The Fake Shemp]

Will wait for Ichirou impressions

[duckman2000]

Dante is a character you can relate to man. Kratos is just... emo, you know? I cant relate to that. Dante is human.

He's an angry bastard who's now an even angrier bastard after getting tricked into killing his own family. Also, he wants to kill gods and he likes knives. I can relate.

That said, his rage is getting old. It felt great in God of War, but by II it was a bit worn out. I'm just going to approach it as sheer comedy for III, maybe that will work.

[demi]

Haha. Third cant even handle Bayonetta on Normal. I dont really take noob opinions seriously...

[Ichirou]

It's crap.

EDIT: A bit more detailed impressions.  I actually quit the demo when I got to the underground part of the Church, I dunno how far that is in the demo, I just know it's far enough for me to know I have no desire to waste my time with the game.

The biggest graphical issue I have with it is how small the characters and environments look.  When the boat crashes into the castle at the beginning, it looks so fucking laughable.  And it does look like a PS2 game with nicer textures.

In terms of gameplay, I was playing on zealot, which is the highest difficulty available in the demo, and found the game to be beyond easy.   I was owning the Grim Reaper so hard, the biggest annoyance was that it had too much HP and I was getting bored kicking his ass.  Then you get to the church level and you get access to more movies and stuff, and I thought it's so stupid how you have to repeatedly hit a button just for something to happen.  You want to fill up your HP?  You have to hit RB and then mash on the B button to break a green fountain to refill it.  Same thing if you want to get souls from the white fountains.  That's going to get old fast.  I also think it's stupid how evading is mapped to the right stick instead of just having you do the obvious thing and hit a direction twice on the left stick or something like that.

When you're BORED by a demo that's supposed to hype you for a game, you know it's not for you.

Bleh.

[demi]

Zealot is only the normal difficulty (2 out of 4)

Come on you didnt expect the game to tear you a new asshole? God you guys are such noobs. Thats like saying you are the shit at Bayonetta cause you beat it on Normal. BIG WOOP

[Stoney Mason]

There is still a bit more to go. There is an underground level including a part where you ride a creature.

Disagree with you overall but you do make some good points. I also found the evade on the right stick to be a weird call. And button mashing to open crates unfortunately shows their lack of creativity as they were intent on obviously copying everything from God of War. Even the annoying things that could have been improved.

Those two difficulty levels are indeed easy but I assume the final two difficulty levels would be more challenging. (Although I'm not the type of gamer that is going to play it beyond whatever is the normal difficulty level)

It certainly isn't as grand and epic as God of War (but then I don't think Bayonetta is in most cases either although the art design is inspired and unique in that game) but when it comes to the basic core gameplay I don't find it to be bad and not much worse than God of War. And really it looks decent enough and arguably more important it keeps a solid high frame rate. Ultimately if I had a choice between the two then clearly I would get God of War but if you own a 360 or you just love that genre it seems like you could do worse. Just my 2 cents.

I don't think it's great but then I don't think its awful either. I'm guessing it will get reviews that range from 8.0 to 8.5. Metacritic anywhere from 80 to 85.

[Ichirou]

If this POS outsells Bayonetta, I will be pissed.

[The Fake Shemp]

It will outsell Bayonetta on the fact that it features a dude that looks like Kratos - BUT IN HELL! - and the name "Bayonetta" doesn't sound as badass as "Dante's Inferno". It just conjures up images of demons and kickin' ass in hell from the title alone!

[Stoney Mason]

If it outsells Bayonetta (which wouldn't be a shock) its mostly due to EA marketing and distribution's ability to fill the retail channels. Sega can't sell shit other than Sonic.

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't see Bayonetta appealing to many outside of the hardcore set.

[Stoney Mason]

I don't see Bayonetta appealing to many outside of the hardcore set.

Agreed. It looks weird and "japanese" which is a turn off to a lot of consumers. The reviews might help it a little bit but I don't see it doing very good numbers. But it's a very good game so I always root for good games to sell at least well enough to continue a series combined with decent to good japan sales numbers.

[Ichirou]

Fucking shame.  Dante's Inferno makes me smolder in generic rage, much like its protagonist.

[brawndolicious]

Is there a 360 demo?  From what I've seen, the setting in this game looks more interesting than GoW to me.

[Ichirou]

Yes, there is a 360 demo.  You start out the game by slaying a bunch of Muslim infidels.  You'd like it.

[bork]

Has any game from Clover/Platinum ever sold that well?  I knew Bayonetta would be a sales-bomb from the beginning, but that shouldn't be stopping anyone here from playing it.

[demi]

Yes, there is a 360 demo.  You start out the game by slaying a bunch of Muslim infidels.  You'd like it.

Then you fight Death and KICK HIS FUCKING ASS

God it's so manly

[Ichirou]

And you also see titties.  Can't go wrong with some dead titties.

[The Sceneman]

Im going to be all over this fucking demo

[iconoclast]

Finally got around to playing the demo (360). This is probably the most button mash friendly action game I've ever played. You can immediately cancel out of every single attack with a block/dash, which means you can freely mash combos whenever you want and still block everything instead of waiting for an opening. On top of that, none of the regular enemies had guard crushing attacks or throws (a couple of the higher rank enemies had one guard crushing attack), so you can just stand there blocking forever if you want. Of course this is on normal so maybe it's not the same on hard/hardest, but that's certainly something I wouldn't expect out of this game. Oh, and the cutscenes are unskippable (on the first play through at least) . It has nice presentation at least, and a solid 60fps.

In conclusion, this is a babby action game for babbies.

[cool breeze]

Dante is a character you can relate to man. Kratos is just... emo, you know? I cant relate to that. Dante is human.

He's an angry bastard who's now an even angrier bastard after getting tricked into killing his own family. Also, he wants to kill gods and he likes knives. I can relate.

That said, his rage is getting old. It felt great in God of War, but by II it was a bit worn out. I'm just going to approach it as sheer comedy for III, maybe that will work.

That's what I got out of the GoW3 demo.  Even back when it was first shown, the scene where he holds severed head was hilarious to me.  The grimace express on Kratos' face in the background while the head yells and glows is so stupid, but it seems intentional.

[demi]

Finally got around to playing the demo (360). This is probably the most button mash friendly action game I've ever played. You can immediately cancel out of every single attack with a block/dash, which means you can freely mash combos whenever you want and still block everything instead of waiting for an opening. On top of that, none of the regular enemies had guard crushing attacks or throws (a couple of the higher rank enemies had one guard crushing attack), so you can just stand there blocking forever if you want. Of course this is on normal so maybe it's not the same on hard/hardest, but that's certainly something I wouldn't expect out of this game. Oh, and the cutscenes are unskippable (on the first play through at least) . It has nice presentation at least, and a solid 60fps.

In conclusion, this is a babby action game for babbies.

But man is it awesome

[Bildi]

I thought this would look crap based on the movies I've seen and have average me-too gameplay.

But holy crap the demo awesome.

[demi]

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dantes-inferno/achievements/

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dantes-inferno/17-1911/

[duckman2000]

The demo was about as exciting as the first hour of Darksiders, only it was even less original. Absolutely pathetic.

[Cravis]

Screw God of War I'm getting Dante's Inferno. The atmosphere is a lot cooler in my opinion. So what if they took liberties with the story. Having a pussy poet would much for a sucky ass game.

So what if it's not original. It's about as original as Dead Space. They put Resident Evil 4 in a blender with Event Horizon and the Thing. That was still cool as hell and one of the most enjoyable games I played in 07. This they just threw God of War and The Divine Comedy into a blender.

[duckman2000]

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dantes-inferno/17-1911/

 

And for the record, Dead Space was really quite different from RE4. This just looks like a clean but ugly rip, but I guess it's good enough for xtards.

[Cravis]

And for the record, Dead Space was really quite different from RE4. This just looks like a clean but ugly rip, but I guess it's good enough for xtards.

They tinkered with a few additions but gameplay was pretty much the same.

I'm tired of the God of War series. I thought after the first one we were going to see Kratos kick Zeus' ass. After 4 games he's just a whiny bitch with anger issues. I could care less what happens to him now. I couldn't even bring myself to finish Chains of Olympus.

[duckman2000]

They tinkered with a few additions but gameplay was pretty much the same.

No it wasn't.

[Raban]

What a stupid looking game.

[Cravis]

No it wasn't.

Oh that's right they added a asteroid shooting minigame and zero gravity

I really need to play through Dead Space again. I loved the atmosphere.

[Bebpo]

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dantes-inferno/17-1911/

That looks even more like GoW than the demo.  I didn't think it was possible! 

[archie4208]

I will probably end up renting this game to satisfy my action game sweet tooth.

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Then I will subsequently bitch on the internet that it is nowhere as good as Bayonetta.

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[Third]

Looks great.

Will play both GOWIII and this. I'll only buy GOWIII, though.

[TripleA]

My opinion; Not.

I mean, they are literally copying God of War. At first I thought "Heh, the similarities only appear to be in the camera and combat". But after playing the demo and watching both GB Quicklooks, I mean, what? How the hell are they able to get away with straight up copying almost every single God of War mechanic? Do Sony have some kind of deal with EA, I mean is that how they're getting away with it 

I like Dead Space, even though it gets very repetitive very quickly; I like it. But Dantes Inferno is just . . . it's just a complete copy+paste of GoW.

If reviewers give this game a score that's >7, then I'm seriously going to question their journalistic integrity. They need to deduct at least 3 points for being a complete ripoff of another game.

The same applies to Quantum Theory, but that's another argument for another thread 

[duckman2000]

What the hell is Quantum Theory? I don't feel like looking it up.

[Stoney Mason]

The game is the game. You judge it on the game. Not on some arbitrary notion that you can't copy other games. As I've said before the game looks decent enough for what it is. I don't think it will be as good or on the level of either GOW 3 or Bayonetta but it seems decent enough if you enjoy this sort of thing.

[Stoney Mason]

What the hell is Quantum Theory? I don't feel like looking it up.

Shitty looking Gears of War clone that was originally a PS3 exclusive and now is coming out for both.

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[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, who the hell cares if any game is a clone as long as it is executed properly. I've enjoyed Diablo clones, Zelda clones, etc. Big whoop.

[duckman2000]

Oh, that game.

Comically enough, Dante's Inferno actually looks like a closer rip than that game. But I'm sure it will be a bit better.

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah, who the hell cares if any game is a clone as long as it is executed properly. I've enjoyed Diablo clones, Zelda clones, etc. Big whoop.

Not to mention that when some games are copied like Diablo, often the number one complaint is that it wasn't copied enough.

[TripleA]

The game is the game. You judge it on the game. Not on some arbitrary notion that you can't copy other games. As I've said before the game looks decent enough for what it is. I don't think it will be as good or on the level of either GOW 3 or Bayonetta but it seems decent enough if you enjoy this sort of thing.

But that's pretty much it. Every single second of playing the demo reminded me of GOW, so much so that I couldn't even enjoy the experience because the entire experience was a complete ripoff of GOW. Not in the "OMG how could they! I'm so disgusted!!" way, more like "Uhh, wait a minute why is everything from God of War?"

With that said it would be impossible for me to judge it without acknowledging that the gameplay is from another game.

[TripleA]

Yeah, who the hell cares if any game is a clone as long as it is executed properly. I've enjoyed Diablo clones, Zelda clones, etc. Big whoop.

So . . . nay to originality and innovation? Yay to being a complete ripoff of another game?

I mean it's not like they just took the combat mechanics and said "Alright, we're done". They took almost everything from another game. To be honest the only original thing I've seen thus far is the weird Cartoon cut-scenes. That's it.

[Stoney Mason]

It's fine for an individual person to make an individual choice to say he doesn't want to play a clone because he enjoys the original but no reviewer in his right mind should do that. His job is to judge the game. And you judge the game by evaluating the gameplay package of a game. If it's good then you state the reasons why its good and if it has issues you state the reason why it has issues. But a review shouldn't be some portal into artistic integrity or something. Game have been wholesale ripping off each other since games began. If somebody values originality or innovation its fine for them to factor that into reviewing a game and have that merit a higher score. But they shouldn't blindly destroy a game because it has a similar mechanic or theme of another game solely for that reason.

[duckman2000]

It's fine for an individual person to make an individual choice to say he doesn't want to play a clone because he enjoys the original but no reviewer in his right mind should do that. His job is to judge the game. And you judge the game by evaluating the gameplay package of a game. If it's good then you state the reasons why its good and if it has issues you state the reason why it has issues. But a review shouldn't be some portal into artistic integrity or something.

Well, some games are lifted to the skies for supposedly breaking new ground, and the bastard critics certainly yammer on an awful lot about games with unique qualities such as art and presentation. So it stands to reason that the opposite, a straight up trace like DI here, would attract some attention, too.  Perhaps it doesn't have a place in a buyer's guide outside of a dedicated bloodline column, but as said, innovation and uniqueness are already key point with some critics so the element is already there.

[Bebpo]

The problem with ripping off something 1:1 like DI is that if you've played the original, this game offers absolutely nothing new.  So it will feel like you are replaying GoW with a different skin.  At least with a new GoW game you get new mechanics.  With a clone you get the same ones you are bored of.

[duckman2000]

But they shouldn't blindly destroy a game because it has a similar mechanic or theme of another game solely for that reason.

Agreed, but come on. This really goes beyond "similar mechanic or theme." This is a trace. If I was an empowered scribe of a nerd and a stickler for originality, I'd bury this game. If it was a great trace with improvements abound, I'd probably be less damning, but they have apparently even kept some things from God of War 1 that Santa Monica smartly left behind.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm one of those people who very much tends to value execution over innovation. Especially since innovation is quite rare and its much more realistic to ideally expect good execution. Just like everybody has their biases, that is my bias and would be my bias as a reviewer.

Getting off topic but an example for me is Dragon Age. There is very little in Dragon Age that is innovative. What is great about that game is the high level of execution achieved.

I'm certainly not trying to be a Dante's Inferno loyalist. I tried the demo and thought it was alright but it didn't blow me away.My issue is more when people don't actively discuss what issues they have with said game rather than just saying it's a God of War clone and then expecting me to immediately share their same sense of outrage. If the game has issues call out the issues themselves.

Not to mention God of War is a console exclusive. If you don't own that console why would you even care that it's a clone.  

[demi]

At least with a new GoW game you get new mechanics. 

HA HA HA OH WOW

[TripleA]

@Stoney, I understand where you're coming from. But from my point of view, I just cannot find a game to be 'hot' when everything in it that can be considered 'hot' is shamelessly taken directly from another game.

That's my 2 cents lol.

[Bebpo]

At least with a new GoW game you get new mechanics. 

HA HA HA OH WOW

Where was your flying while avoiding falling rocks mini-game in GoW1/2?
Or where was your bodyless flashlight!

[demi]

How is that new mechanics? lol. Silly boys~

[Bebpo]

They are different things than you did in the last games...

[demi]

A minigame? Really? Be HONEST Bebpo.