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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2006, 01:35:50 AM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I never dropped it, it was a required course. I have no problem defending arguments or using abstract language, and I'm not a moron.

I hated it because my professor was an idiot who spent two class periods discussing whether the lights in the room were off or on. Because you know, how do we know what's on and what's off? Or better yet..

When you close the fridge door, does the light go off?
Yes. You can watch it as you close it or push the switch yourself.
How do you know it doesn't only go off when you're watching it or pressing the switch? How do you know it doesn't go off as it closes, then comes right back on?

My professor put a videocamera in his fridge to see if the light stayed off. Of course it did. But then, does it only stay off when you're watching it or when there's a video camera in the fridge?

I will owe an obscene amount of money in student loans when I graduate. I don't want to spend that money pondering whether the lights in the room are on or off, or debating about the light in my fridge.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2006, 01:38:49 AM »
I like philosophy, but I don't like all philosophers and I wouldn't do it as a major. 

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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2006, 01:39:02 AM »
Was he discussing George Barkley at the time?

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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2006, 01:40:42 AM »
I'd rather have fun here.

Upper level Philosophy seems more tedius than "hard" to me. Give me a book and tell me to write a paper and I can do it, no matter what.

Again, read some Wittgenstein and we'll talk.  I also doubt you'd be able to grok even Derrida without instruction.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2006, 01:45:42 AM »
Was he discussing George Barkley at the time?

Asking me, I assume? I don't remember, it was over two years ago.
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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2006, 01:49:29 AM »
I'd rather have fun here.

Upper level Philosophy seems more tedius than "hard" to me. Give me a book and tell me to write a paper and I can do it, no matter what.

Again, read some Wittgenstein and we'll talk.  I also doubt you'd be able to grok even Derrida without instruction.

I'd probably fall asleep and later fail the first test due to cramming. But once I see that wouldn't work I'd start doing my thing and get by.

If there's one problem I have with school it's gambling with myself. I expect so much of myself that it gives me an excuse to do less; so I might think I'm so prepared I don't need to study for a test, take it, and fail it. Then I have to dig myself out of the hole, which forces me to work harder. Basically I create stress on myself in order to ensure I put in full effort. Bah, not a great plan I know, but it works for me.

Tomorrow I have a law test and I've barely studied. Since our teacher told us we could use one handout he passed out on the test (as well as anything we write on it), I feel cocky.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2006, 02:19:24 AM »
Logic & Reasoning was one of, if not THE easiest classes I've ever had.  It was boring as shit, but it was easy to understand, and made you think.

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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2006, 02:26:56 AM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2006, 02:51:20 AM »
I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?


Exactly why I hated my philosophy class. However, I did appreciate the parts when we discussed how to defend an argument or critically think about things. It was when we started discussing God and whether or not there were five or thirty people in the room that I just had enough. So don't bite my head off, Malek ... please?  :-\

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« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2006, 03:03:12 AM »
I liked it enough to minor in it (along with chemistry and biology), and ended up with about 30 credits worth of courses.  I enjoy ethical and political philosophy the most.  Epistemology is interesting, as is some metaphysics (depends on the philosopher), but for the most part I prefer philosophy that has concrete applications/analogues.  Philosophy of science (positivism, realism/instrumentalism/constructive empiricism, IBE etc.), which I took a course in, is very interesting as well.

I used to read a good deal of philosophy in my spare time, too.
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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2006, 03:06:34 AM »
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte.

Didn't Comte also start the ball rolling with positivism, or do I have my philosophers mixed up?  I didn't know he created sociology.


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« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2006, 10:39:56 AM »
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte.

Didn't Comte also start the ball rolling with positivism, or do I have my philosophers mixed up?  I didn't know he created sociology.


Yeah he created positivism as well. I believed he originally called sociology something like social physics.

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« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2006, 10:43:51 AM »
I thought that sociology was a really interesting course. Ditto to Philosophy.

Psychology is really interesting too.
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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2006, 10:44:05 AM »

Yeah he created positivism as well. I believed he originally called sociology something like social physics.

Ah, I see.  I've heard of "social physics" (probably in my sociology or social psychology course), but not that he created it -- or maybe that was the part where I dozed off. :P

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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2006, 11:13:52 AM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2006, 01:47:29 PM »
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
I am cool!  We won't talk about philosophy if you want  *mwah*

Fat girls don't walk in the woods anyways.  They wait til it's paved and they can take a taxi there.

omg haha :heart Mupepe that's the funniest shit I've read in awhile.

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« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2006, 03:50:42 PM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.
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« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2006, 03:53:47 PM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.

That's just sloppyteaching. Please don't besmirch our fine discipline because some professors are teh ballz.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2006, 04:00:54 PM »
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.

That's just sloppyteaching. Please don't besmirch our fine discipline because some professors are teh ballz.

I have no problem with this so long as you don't go and suggest what I do and don't know about my classes. I've already stated I have no problems with the concept of philosophy. Thinking critically about things  to help form valid opinions and such is great. I'm all for that.
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Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2006, 04:15:45 PM »
Philosophy is the most baseless bullshit that they teach in universities.  I would honestly rate it as worse than film classes because people take it just for credits.  If somebody cared, they'd research (or holy fuck, make their own opinion) but no, universities want to feel all open-minded and make a lot of people take it.

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« Reply #80 on: December 15, 2006, 01:53:34 AM »
I like how malek hasn't said anything to you yet after that comment, lol.
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« Reply #81 on: December 15, 2006, 04:22:16 AM »
I forgot that, I thought he was a history major.

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« Reply #82 on: December 15, 2006, 04:27:16 AM »
Did you not see the rest of this thread? :lol
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« Reply #83 on: December 15, 2006, 04:33:20 AM »
Well I mean I read some of it, I read the end of the thread to see what it sounds like, and I remembered Malek argueing against philosophy a long time ago and Drinky and TVC argueing for it and assumed this was going to be the same thing, and I REALLY hate philosophy arguments so I just said a very frank opinion to piss everybody off.

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« Reply #84 on: December 15, 2006, 04:35:28 AM »
That's actually quite hilarious and I commend you. Also funny because Malek was arguing for philosophy in this thread.
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« Reply #85 on: December 15, 2006, 04:49:44 AM »
I just read the first couple posts of his where he said it's good except for the post-modernism part, I knew somebody's going to agree or disagree with him too much so I just said that opinion.