Wii sales have fallen, but Emceegrammar is still confusedly raping his "console"

[Beezy]

Christ Card Cheat, did you even read part of this thread?  You're purposefully being skullfuckingly ignorant.  Extraction, Umbrella Chronicles, Little King's Story, Dawn of Discovery, Zak and Wiki, and No More Heroes are some great third party games, that, yes, I'd say are all better than REmake and Baiten Kaitos.

Bullshit. GC didn't get a great amount of 3rd party games like PS2 did, but the few that it got were really good or tried something different. I'm not gonna start a list war but the 3rd party games on the Wii suck in comparison. It's possible that this might change before this gen is over, but I doubt it.

The GameCube at least got some direct ports of some half-decent PS2/Xbox games (e.g. Beyond Good & Evil, SoulCalibur, Burnout, Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, SSX, James Bond, Need for Speed, TimeSplitters). Not all great games, but it gave GameCube-only owners something to play.

And PS2/GC games were usually better on the GC.

[cool breeze]

And best on the Xbox

[brawndolicious]

xbox/gcn games were usually pretty close, except if they used xbl.

[twerd]

xbox/gcn games were usually pretty close, except if they used xbl.

they usually were better on xbox by virtue of the xbox not having a stupid controller.

[brawndolicious]

The face buttons were annoying sometimes but it actually didn't make much of a difference for most games.

[Sho Nuff]

U all mad?

N64 was a more interesting time for 3rd parties because it had such bizarro architecture and you got some cool stuff if you wrote for it. Gamecube was by-the-book and just sat between PS2 and Xbox performance-wise.

[Van Cruncheon]

sat between them in its strange little 16-bit output cubicle, with its unattractively stippled wallpaper

[pilonv1]

who would have guessed when you tried to expand your audience that non-gamers wouldn't buy games?

[BlueTsunami]

The lack of sword and magic type of Dungeon Crawlers for the Wii is tragic

[Sho Nuff]

sat between them in its strange little 16-bit output cubicle, with its unattractively stippled wallpaper

I don't know which I like more, dithering or a 4k texture cache

[Phoenix Dark]

They relied on casual non-gamer types buying the Wii off hype alone, for way too long; of course, those people don't pull the Wii out the closet unless a holiday party is happening.

The Wii will still outsell the competition in the long run, but clearly Nintendo can't expect to coast from tech demo to tech demo anymore

[Human Snorenado]

demi should write a script that prevents you from posting in the gaming forum, pee dee.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

U all mad?

N64 was a more interesting time for 3rd parties because it had such bizarro architecture and you got some cool stuff if you wrote for it. Gamecube was by-the-book and just sat between PS2 and Xbox performance-wise.

I FUCK MAD  

[cool breeze]

sat between them in its strange little 16-bit output cubicle, with its unattractively stippled wallpaper

I don't know which I like more, dithering or a 4k texture cache

There is already a guy on gaf who misses dithering, so I'd avoid that one.

[Flannel Boy]

sat between them in its strange little 16-bit output cubicle, with its unattractively stippled wallpaper

I don't know which I like more, dithering or a 4k texture cache

There is already a guy on gaf who misses dithering, so I'd avoid that one.

Tim: remember when Father O'Donnell would burn us with his cigar?
Mike: Yeah. . . .
Tim: remember when he made us touch his penis?
Mike: Yeah. . . .
Tim: Remember when he pulled down our pants and fucked us up the ass.
Mike: Yeah. . . .
Tim: I miss those days.

[treythemovie]

Its really embarrassing that the Gamecube's 2003 and 2004 lineups were stronger than the Wii's 2008 and 2009 lineups respectively. In terms of both 1st party and 3rd party. How the hell does one manage that?! What a fuckup.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I jumped in on the cube in 03, and I can safely say that's pretty much bullshit.  Now, I love making lists, but I understand most people don't care nuff to read them, so uh there.

[Beezy]

I jumped in on the cube in 03, and I can safely say that's pretty much bullshit.  Now, I love making lists, but I understand most people don't care nuff to read them, so uh there.

I dunno about 2009, but just about anything is better than Wii's 2008 failure of a lineup.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I guess 08 comes down to whether or not one accepted the changes to brawl.  I've learned to love it for what it is.  there were some nice b titles I picked up during the year like blast works and endless ocean and boom blox.

edit: Pro Evolution Soccer for wii came out that year too.  People who rag on the PES franchise are playing it on the wrong system.

[Beezy]

I really like Brawl. Mariokart is a fun multiplayer game as always. No More Heroes was okay. These 3 came out during the first 4 months of 2008 and then there was nothing else.

[Eel O'Brian]

or just fuck you

[treythemovie]

I jumped in on the cube in 03, and I can safely say that's pretty much bullshit.  Now, I love making lists, but I understand most people don't care nuff to read them, so uh there.

Of course you did. You were probably one of those cube owners who bought Wind Waker and Mario Kart and then ignored every 3rd party release on the system. Just like every gamecube fanboy did. However that doesn't change the fact that even the gamecube's meager offerings were far better than the Wii's in their respective years.

So go ahead and do your list war. The only way you'd get it to favor the Wii is for you to forget alot of the quality Gamecube releases that came out in those years and/or to overinflate alot of the crappy Wii games out there. Of course any such list would basically be a battle of the biggest loser to seem who sucks slightly less. 

[Beezy]

or just fuck you

 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Of course you did. You were probably one of those cube owners who bought Wind Waker and Mario Kart and then ignored every 3rd party release on the system. Just like every gamecube fanboy did. However that doesn't change the fact that even the gamecube's meager offerings were far better than the Wii's in their respective years.

I purchased one nintendo gamecube cus of Viewtiful Joe.  I then went around to trying other stuff.  So no, I was there, I knew what to get, and the Wii still outperforms the cube on a content front.  I concede that partially its because this is the first Nintendo system where a game like Tiger Woods may offer an improvement that could not be replicated on another platform.  There is also WiiWare to consider.  Have you played Rotohex by any chance?  Its quite awesome.

[Beezy]

Wii outperforming something. You're full of shit.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm trying to think of all the exclusive cube games that don't have better versions on the wii or ps2.....
hmmmmm
I guess if you're into the smash tourney scene melee has a better engine than brawl for that kind of thing.  hmmmm. Otherwise.... ughhh

Oh, SUPER MONKEY BALL.  I concede the wii does not have a good version of Super Monkey Ball.

[treythemovie]

I purchased one nintendo gamecube cus of Viewtiful Joe.  I then went around to trying other stuff.  So no, I was there, I knew what to get, and the Wii still outperforms the cube on a content front.  I concede that partially its because this is the first Nintendo system where a game like Tiger Woods may offer an improvement that could not be replicated on another platform.  There is also WiiWare to consider.  Have you played Rotohex by any chance?  Its quite awesome.

I just can't see how someone can look at both lineups and honestly say the Wii outperformed the cube in content. In 2008 & 2009 the Wii had 2-3 good Nintendo games + a small number of B/C/Z level third party games. Meanwhile the gamecube had the above plus several more good Nintendo games, quality multiplatform games and even a number of good exclusives. It wasn't paradise, but at least it wasn't completely barren.

Seeing someone badtalk the Gamecube in favor of the Wii is like someone badtalking your C-student in favor of the juvenile delinquent who doesn't even attend class.

[The Sceneman]

EmCee is always talking out his ass

[treythemovie]

I'm trying to think of all the exclusive cube games that don't have better versions on the wii or ps2.....
hmmmmm
I guess if you're into the smash tourney scene melee has a better engine than brawl for that kind of thing.  hmmmm. Otherwise.... ughhh

Oh, SUPER MONKEY BALL.  I concede the wii does not have a good version of Super Monkey Ball.

oh I see what's going on here. So its gone from "The Wii has a better lineup/content than the Gamecube in their respective years" to "The Wii has a better lineup if you only count exclusives and discount all the gamecube games that were ported anywhere". Keep moving those goalposts

and, just to point it out, the Wii doesn't fare too well itself when you try to apply the same guidelines to it.

[Human Snorenado]

Wii outperforming something. You're full of shit.

Keep in mind that he not only claims to have enjoyed Wii Music, but insists that it's actually a game.  Says pretty much all you need to know about dude right there.

[treythemovie]

Wii outperforming something. You're full of shit.

Keep in mind that he not only claims to have enjoyed Wii Music, but insists that it's actually a game.  Says pretty much all you need to know about dude right there.

Wii Music : This generation's Kirby Air Ride

[EmCeeGrammar]

No, the wii has had a better lineup than the gamecube no matter how many qualifiers you put into place.  I think oscar put it eloquently when he said that gamers suffer a very special kind of distinguished mentally-challenged which makes them remember things more fondly than the present situation. 

Everyone on this forum has made it clear that they don't pay attention to Wii releases. Instead of admitting ignorance, you claim the system doesn't have games.  When said games come out, some stupid disqualifier manifests itself into the hivemind to discredit it. Here's a short list of games that I would highly recommend that came out this year.

MadWorld
House of the Dead: Overkill
Excitebots
TigerWoods 10 with motion plus.
Punch-Out
Boom Blox Bash Party
PES 09

Fun games, and they were nice enough to rerelease Metroid Prime 1 and DK jungle beat with better controls.  Now what's funny is some nerd is going to run through it with complaints like "Sports games suck.... sequel ..... rehash.... lol"

[EmCeeGrammar]

wii music
So misunderstood.  Case in point of folks keeping themselves ignorant just to preserve their talking points. 

edit:
33 hours in Wii Fit Plus! woot.

[Beezy]

*sees mediocre list* It's too late for this shit...

[EmCeeGrammar]

It really is too late for you. Cus that's an awesome list. 
But then again if you guys are drooling over convoluted crap like street fighter or looking forward to generic d&d wank like Dragon Age I can see how you may have awful tastes.

[Human Snorenado]

You know, it's not too late to just go rummage under your sink and drink that bottle of drano.  Maybe in the afterlife the omnipotent space fairy can set you straight, because clearly everyone in this life has failed you miserably.  Just something to think about.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Come to think of it Brutal Legend did turn out to be a bag of dogshit, didn't it?

edit: and Resident Evil 5 somehow is regarded to be more dull than the already dull Resi 4.  Man, those hd gamers- I pity them.

[treythemovie]

Here's a short list of games that I would highly recommend that came out this year.

MadWorld
House of the Dead: Overkill
Excitebots
TigerWoods 10 with motion plus.
Punch-Out
Boom Blox Bash Party
PES 09

Pikmin 2 alone is worth everything on that list

It really is too late for you. Cus that's an awesome list. 
But then again if you guys are drooling over convoluted crap like street fighter or looking forward to generic d&d wank like Dragon Age I can see how you may have awful tastes.

So you admit that this has nothing to do with whether or not the Wii has a better lineup than the Gamecube and everything to do with your shitty tastes. Well regardless of that what makes a good lineup is having enough quantity and variety of titles to sustain the interest of most people. So, in order to quantify the unquantifiable, why don't you go to metacritic or something and search for all the games on the Gamecube and Wii that got good scores in 2003/4/8/9 and compare the two. Hopefully you won't be too surprised by how much the rest of the world disagrees with your tastes.

Come to think of it Brutal Legend did turn out to be a bag of dogshit, didn't it?

edit: and Resident Evil 5 somehow is regarded to be more dull than the already dull Resi 4.  Man, those hd gamers- I pity them.

So you can't defend your point and have decided to rag on titles on other consoles  that you've heard vague criticism of. Nice. And yet both those titles are still worth more than the titles you listed before. For you see, the reason those titles get so much criticsm is that they had higher expectations than your average Wii game ever gets.

[Human Snorenado]

Let's be fair here, it's kind of tough to pretend that he has taste when he's claiming Wii Music is some misunderstood masterpiece.  I mean... WII MUSIC.



Never forget.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Pikmin 2 was cool though, that was pretty much it that year in terms of engrossing games.  Not worth everything that came out on the Wii this year by any intangible measure.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Oh my god, I'm reeling it in tonight.  I better stop now.

edit: schmaybe not. Its fun arguing with folks who try to establish orthodoxy of opinion

[treythemovie]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Yeah, that huge mass of Wii owners agree with you, that's why most of the titles you listed bombed horribly  

[Human Snorenado]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Yeah, that huge mass of Wii owners agree with you, that's why most of the titles you listed bombed horribly  

You don't UNDERSTAND, trey!  For Wii owners it's all about gently stroking your console, not playing games on it!  Why won't you UNDERSTAND!

[EmCeeGrammar]

yeah, really now, why don't you guys understand the Wii just has a better library than the gamecube?  Would you have to admit that Nintendo was right about how consumers don't give a rats ass about hd or core gaming?
 

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Yeah, that huge mass of Wii owners agree with you, that's why most of the titles you listed bombed horribly  

Oh noes good games got swept under the rug.  That would never happen on 360.  nope.  No companies have gone under or are posting losses across the whole industry.  What a wise and lucrative business model.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Anyone else want to bite?

[Human Snorenado]

Dude, when have I ever claimed to care what the great mass of stupid consumers who just bought a Wii for Wii Sports and Wii Fit want to "play"?  Those people aren't videogamers, fuck them.  I want fucking VIDEOGAMES.  I know you aren't too familiar with them, seeing as how you're too busy singing the praises of fucking Wii Music, but COME ON.  Who cares what a fat woman who plays her Wii Sports games three times a year wants?  In what fucking universe are her desires the ones that should be catered to?  If your head wasn't so far up your own ass that you could lick your kidneys you'd notice the dearth of actual games on the Wii and realize that yup, catering to non-gamers is a pretty crappy strategy for those who want to play games on what is ostensibly supposed to be a videogame console.  Fucking assburger.

[EmCeeGrammar]

And yet you posted the thread.  Apparently YOU care, tubby.

edit:
maybe you could use some WiiFit in your life, just saying dawg.

[treythemovie]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Yeah, that huge mass of Wii owners agree with you, that's why most of the titles you listed bombed horribly  

Oh noes good games got swept under the rug.  That would never happen on 360.  nope.  No companies have gone under or are posting losses across the whole industry.  What a wise and lucrative business model.

There's a difference between one or two good games being swept under the rug, and nearly everything that isn't Mario or fitness doing poorly.

[Human Snorenado]

That's not TRUE, Borys!  Wii clearly annihilates the 'cube in the all important "distinguished mentally-challenged fellow waggle fest" and "collection of non-games bundled together to make cash" categories!  WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN???

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm pretty damn sure the Wii has been handily outselling the competition for years now.  So if you want to ask what "most people" give a damn about, I suggest you step outside of your geek bubble and take a perception check of the world around you. 

Yeah, that huge mass of Wii owners agree with you, that's why most of the titles you listed bombed horribly  

Oh noes good games got swept under the rug.  That would never happen on 360.  nope.  No companies have gone under or are posting losses across the whole industry.  What a wise and lucrative business model.

There's a difference between one or two good games being swept under the rug, and nearly everything that isn't Mario or fitness doing poorly.

That's an overstatement buddy.  A gross one.

[EmCeeGrammar]

yeah, really now, why don't you guys understand the Wii just has a better library than the gamecube?  Would you have to admit that Nintendo was right about how consumers don't give a rats ass about hd or core gaming?
 

Nobody in this thread even MENTIONS HD gaming or "core" gaming but you. GameCube was not HD, and not hardcore yet it stomps Wii in every fucking genre possible.

Dude! WTF! Open your eyes!

No, ya'll need to think about why a little white box thats been so successful get's so much of your attention when you claim that it has nothing for you.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Next time, can you spell it EmCeeGramr?  I like that spelling better.

edit:
going to bed now, ttfn bbl! ^_^

[Oblivion]

I won't get into the quality arguments here, but I'm kinda confused at why people think that Nintendo isn't trying hard to get big name games. I mean, they got Monster Hunter 3 and Dragonquest X, which iirc, are the top 2 best selling third party games in Japan (Well, FF might be bigger than MH, but if it is, MH is pretty close). And wasn't Baten Kaitos published by Nintendo?

For those that are thinking Nintendo aren't trying on the first party front, well we have 2 more main line Mario games coming. There hasn't been more than one true Mario game on a Nintendo system since the NES, and Wii will have 3. You have teams working on Zelda, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, Wario Ware, and most other typical Nintendo franchises. Hell, even on the handheld front, DS is gonna be home to two Zeldas (even if neither one of them will be particularly good, but still).

I mean, if you don't give a shit about Mario and Zelda, that's one thing. If you expect more quality third party games, that's fine too, I guess. But to say that they're working less harder than they did with the GC, well, you probably seen one screenshot too many of Cruisin' World. Which, as a result has most likely caused one to view the GC's library in a better light than it actually appeared.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Well to be fair Oblivion, Nintendo pretty much gave up on the Game Cube after 2003, as did just about everyone else.  The interviews from that point reflected an enthusiasm for the DS and their new Revolution.  The GameCube was just the albatross around their neck.  Well, you had Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario but it was always understood that they would hit the Revolution.  This generation, there is not a two year life cycle for the system and three years of just letting it sit around to just to have it around.  Nintendo after Mario Kart had virtually nothing, except for two very unambitious efforts (Animal Crossing and Punch Out) and Wii Music, which despite all the bombast about being the alpha and omega of Nintendo's non-games at E3 08 up to its release, far undersold.

Monster Hunter 3 and Dragon Quest X are big games but for an industry leader, only two is pretty bad.  For an industry leader, it should have all the big games on it as well as several choice exclusives.  This is pretty much the first time ever that an industry leading console's (especially one that is outpacing the PS2 comparatively in both US and worldwide sales) third party support is a virtual desert.  There is most definitely a problem, even if Nintendo is raking in billions of dollars of profit from the thing.  It definitely is catching up to them, hence Iwata's statement.  He realizes there is a problem but fanboys on the internet don't think so.

This generation will probably last two more years, if not three.  Nintendo has very little here.  SMG2 and NSMB will be good efforts but one big first party title per year in a desert of third party support is not good at all.  Nintendo can't and should not expect their 2007-2008 releases to continually carry the system through the large software droughts.  Monster Hunter 3 spiked hardware sales in Japan but it is now back to normal.  I would expect the spike for DQX to last longer but not carry the system.  Nintendo needs a lot more, both first and third party.  SMG2 is a step in the right direction but if that is their sole answer to their game drought, then Nintendo is basically killing off the Wii themselves.

[Trent Dole]

Bottom line is Nintendo's home consoles haven't had enough to offer a core enthusiast as their sole/primary machine since the N64 days, by which I mean from N64 on their shit can't stand alone. That said I always get their machines anyway cause their first party games, when they actually feel like making them instead of say yoga sims for your mom, are fucking godly.

[Eel O'Brian]

or just fuck you

 

posted in the wrong forum so i just left that there, wasn't targeted at anyone

[Himu]

I bought a Wii because I thought it had tons of potential. I liked what Nintendo was doing. I was thinking of the possibilities: Panzer Dragoon with the wiimote? Sign me up. Virtua Cop on the wii? Fuck yes. And I genuinely enjoyed TP wii version. I felt that the controls (for the most part) were excellent and it was fresh and interesting and WOW.

But past that initial period, I started to realize I had been gipped.

Last time I ever buy a console based on the premise of "potential".

And yes, the wii is the worst Nintendo system, well, it's no Virtua Boy but it's certainly on par with Gameboy Color.

[Himu]

Also, you'd have to be distinguished mentally-challenged to say Wii is in any way on par with N64 or GC.

By this point in time in N64's lifetime, OoT was already out, Goldeneye was out and people were gearing for Majora's Mask, and Perfect Dark and Jet Force Gemini. Mario 64 was out, Starfox was out, Banjo Kazooie was out. And you had underground games like Mischief Makers;etc Wave Race 64, WCW/nWo Revenge, Diddy Kong Racing (which I loved), Mario Kart, Extreme-G and more.

N64 may have not been as good as Playstation or Saturn, but it was still a good system with AAA shit on the regular. I mean, it has two of the most iconic games in 3d game history: OoT and Mario 64. That alone should shut down any arguments.

Until Wii has a game that is equal in quality to fucking Majora's Mask, I refuse to hear any Wii > N64 debates, or hell, even GC > N64 debates.

[Flannel Boy]

or hell, even GC > N64 debates.

At least most GameCube games are still playable. And it had some third party games.

If you were stuck on a deserted island, and had to choose between an N64 or a GameCube, along with their complete libraries, which would you choose?

I think I'd actually choose the N64 because I wouldn't be able to hang myself with a Wavebird.