Author Topic: Wii sales have fallen, but Emceegrammar is still confusedly raping his "console" (Read 16964 times)

Human Snorenado · « **on:** October 31, 2009, 09:26:25 AM »

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6238454.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1

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"The mood of the market got colder than expected, and there was a difference in expectations," he said. "Now, we are preparing for next year and thinking about what to do the year after next." Iwata reportedly went on to note that Nintendo is optimistic about its chance to right the Wii's downward sales trend going forward.

This is what happens when you don't have any fucking GAMES and your system is using ten year old tech, you stupid bastards. Can't see this happening to a more deserving bunch of idiots, really.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:31:43 AM »

good.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:35:33 AM »

Nintendo has been coasting for well over a year now, since Mario Kart Wii I reckon. I don't blame them - at that time Wii Play, a game released early 2007, was still on the charts. I guess people finally got tired of buying games from early 2007 and want something new.

SMG2 is a step in the right direction but they need a lot more. Fall 2007 to Spring 2008 was their best time. They need to have a couple more of these periods of good games. Coasting shouldn't be an option since it is clear that third parties are not interested in making large flagship titles for the system. I've always wondered what Nintendo studios are doing because they're not putting anything out.

The downside for Nintendo is that it will take them a while to get more games out. So we could be seeing the Wii hardware sales declining until the end of next year.

They're still making a shitload of money off of the thing. It is just that Wii is no longer the new shit and anyone who wants to play Wii Fit or Mario Kart already has them. You can't expect the insane sales and the long lines outside for the whole life of the system.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:14:47 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on October 31, 2009, 09:45:16 AM

I was all in on this thing at the beginning but after the excellent first year it soon became pretty apparent they were going to fuck the dog on it like they do with all their home consoles.

It seems to me they are doing it even worse than in the past. It seems like most of their design teams are doing LITERALLY nothing. I had N64 and GCN but I don't think I want over a year and a half without a purchase like I did on Wii.

Mario Kart -> NSMBW for me. And I'm not really super pumped about NSMB.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:22:06 AM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 31, 2009, 10:14:47 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on October 31, 2009, 09:45:16 AM
I was all in on this thing at the beginning but after the excellent first year it soon became pretty apparent they were going to fuck the dog on it like they do with all their home consoles.

It seems to me they are doing it even worse than in the past. It seems like most of their design teams are doing LITERALLY nothing. I had N64 and GCN but I don't think I want over a year and a half without a purchase like I did on Wii.

Mario Kart -> NSMBW for me. And I'm not really super pumped about NSMB.

Agreed. Nintendo has their thumbs up their asses. I guess if the same shit keeps selling in the hundreds of thousands per month, they're going to stop caring about putting out new releases. Things to have to be pretty easy down at the big N.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:33:24 AM »

I got HotD2+3 as a Christmas gift, but I don't really count that. It's a budget release and a decade old port.

Though Punch Out probably qualifies as a major release in that span. I guess. In any case, I didn't feel it was worth $50.

archie4208 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:37:51 AM »

Punch Out would have been a $15-$20 downloadable game on any other platform. I have seen XBLA games with more content. :/

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:57:56 AM »

depend on casuals for prosperity -> economy tanks -> casuals choose food, clothing, and shelter over waggle -> miyamoto guesses measurement and weight of all the wiis left on shelves around the world

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:32:23 AM »

Quote from: Borys on October 31, 2009, 11:05:08 AM

Bu-bu-bu Warren Spector's Epic Mickey!

Only a dark, mature steampunk thriller based on the mascot for children under the age of 10 worldwide can save the Wii.

cool breeze · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:45:31 AM »

I'm content with the Wii. It's already bought, I know there are the two or three games a year that will be great, and the rest of the time it can sit there and collect dust. If I only had a Wii as my video game system, then maybe I'd be upset, but I would be someone who doesn't enjoy video games, which I do, and that's why I play most games on my other consoles/handhelds/PC.

And to be honest, I feel like the worst part about the Wii is that despite the "new" control scheme it has going, there are almost no (good) games that take advantage of it. Most just replace a waggle with a button press or have it be cursor movement (same as right analog or mouse). I'm sure a lot of that is because the tech used in the controller is cheap and didn't work as advertised, but at least the motion plus seems to make it work like it should have in 2006, and still there are no games announced that make interesting usage of it. Red Steel 2 is probably the only one I can think of in the future, and even that doesn't seem too far removed from just using button presses.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:54:34 AM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on October 31, 2009, 10:57:56 AM

depend on casuals for prosperity -> economy tanks -> casuals choose food, clothing, and shelter over waggle -> miyamoto guesses measurement and weight of all the wiis left on shelves around the world

But here's the thing: the only market that it's not still doing really well in is in Japan. And in Japan, NOTHING is doing well.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2009, 12:07:28 PM »

did not know that, assumed the price drop was reflective of stagnant sales worldwide

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 31, 2009, 12:16:21 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on October 31, 2009, 12:07:28 PM

did not know that, assumed the price drop was reflective of stagnant sales worldwide

It's down from the same period last year, but I don't think any reasonable person really expected it to be otherwise. But, all things considered, it's still performing well in American and Europe. In Japan though, it's BAD, but that's a reflection of the market in general. Everything is doing terrible there, even the DS can barely pull more than 50k a week.

bork · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2009, 12:55:15 PM »

It's been like this ever since the N64 days. Nintendo rolls out limited/gimmicky system, it enjoys shitloads of sales and they sell a fuck-ton of Mario, Zelda, and other Nintendo-staple titles, fanboys don't seem to notice the overall lack of good games from everyone else, then the releases slow way down to the point that there's 2-3 games worth getting every year if you're lucky, the system dies out, and Nintendo starts the cycle all over again.

I guess this year has been AMAZING, because I actually bought FOUR games for the Wii!

Although one of them is Metroid Prime Trilogy, a repackaging of old games.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2009, 01:37:27 PM »

Wooo the nightmare is coming to an end

Even N64 had a better run, at least they were actually trying

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #15 on:** October 31, 2009, 01:57:36 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on October 31, 2009, 01:37:27 PM

Wooo the nightmare is coming to an end

Even N64 had a better run, at least they were actually trying

It's still selling as well as, if not better than, the PS3 and Xbox360 though.

twerd · « **Reply #16 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:36:06 PM »

love me the irrational wii hatred on this forum.

the 3rd party situation is much better than it was on the last two previous consoles. the past two years, i agree, have been pretty limited in comparison to 06-07, but that's also because they released all of their big hitters very early on in the wii's history (galaxy, mp3, zelda, mario kart).

bork · « **Reply #17 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:49:36 PM »

Quote from: twerd on October 31, 2009, 02:36:06 PM

love me the irrational wii hatred on this forum.

the 3rd party situation is much better than it was on the last two previous consoles.

lol

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the past two years, i agree, have been pretty limited in comparison to 06-07, but that's also because they released all of their big hitters very early on in the wii's history (galaxy, mp3, zelda, mario kart).

Right, so it's just like the N64 and Game Cube were. $:-\$

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #18 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:49:38 PM »

Quote from: twerd on October 31, 2009, 02:36:06 PM

love me the irrational wii hatred on this forum.

the 3rd party situation is much better than it was on the last two previous consoles. the past two years, i agree, have been pretty limited in comparison to 06-07, but that's also because they released all of their big hitters very early on in the wii's history (galaxy, mp3, zelda, mario kart).

That's fucking absurd. The 3rd party situation is leaps and bounds MORE AWFUL than any other Nintendo console. Name me one quality A title (not even AAA) that has released in the last year or year and a half on the Wii. Or ever. The cube at least had RE4 exclusive for a while, and some other fun diversions (Tales of Symphonia, Baiten Kaitos for the JRPG crowd; Viewtiful Joe; etc) and the Wii has DOG SHIT for 3rd party support. Oh hey, another cheap collection of waggle mini-games. Too bad your system's tech can't handle Xbox 1 games or maybe you'd get some good titles. Here, have the Conduit instead.

And I'll go one further- Nintendo's first party offerings have gotten worse, too. It's what, 3 years into the Wii's lifespan? Only SMG (and it is awesome) can be called objectively better than it's counterpart on the cube. Everything else is worse. Worse Zelda, worse Metroid, worse worse worse. The console's success is entirely predicated off a shitty gimmick and anyone who pretends otherwise is deluding themselves.

bork · « **Reply #19 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:50:38 PM »

Hey Card Cheat, there's Muramasa!

And also...uh...um...also...uh...I got nothing.

In all seriousness, when I look at the third party Wii games I've purchased in the last year, it's been Muramasa, Tenchu 4, Mad World, and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom. Slim pickings, and one of those games (Tenchu 4) is better on PSP. What else is coming? No More Heroes 2, RE Darkside Chronicles, and ANOTHER Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom are all I can think of.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #20 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:51:28 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on October 31, 2009, 02:50:38 PM

Hey Card Cheat, there's Muramasa!

And also...uh...um...also...uh...I got nothing.

A or AAA games tend to SELL as such.

EEEEEEEETHER!

bork · « **Reply #21 on:** October 31, 2009, 02:54:58 PM »

It's too bad about the Conduit. I liked the Timesplitters games, and the Game Cube had good versions of TS2 and TS3. Seems like there are no good third-party FPS games on the system.

OK, yeah, the Wii is the Game Cube Turbo. LOLOLOL and all that. It could still stand to have better quality games than a lot of the shovelware that's been released for it. There's really no excuse.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #22 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:08:44 PM »

Why do you all care, again? I thought we were at the point if you're too cool for the wii you would just be apathetic about it? And now all of a sudden citing sales is fair game when sales are lagging?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #23 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:15:49 PM »

I care because Nintendo is capable of better but choose not to try, instead putting out crap like yearly iterations of Wii Fit and Wii Music, which you mistakenly think is a game. They're not like Sega, who simply forgot how to make good games; they just don't CARE enough to except about once a gen (SMG, natch)

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #24 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:19:12 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 31, 2009, 02:49:38 PM

Quote from: twerd on October 31, 2009, 02:36:06 PM
love me the irrational wii hatred on this forum.

the 3rd party situation is much better than it was on the last two previous consoles. the past two years, i agree, have been pretty limited in comparison to 06-07, but that's also because they released all of their big hitters very early on in the wii's history (galaxy, mp3, zelda, mario kart).

Name me one quality A title (not even AAA) that has released in the last year or year and a half on the Wii.

Little King's Story?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #25 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:21:32 PM »

Card Cheat: Dead Space Extraction, Little King's Story, Dawn of Discovery, Boom Blox. There's the 3rd party games that I've ended up loving for Wii.

That's not enough for you guys, I realize that, but it's a bit absurd to claim there wasn't even an A 3rd party title in the last two years when those were very fun.

And I loved Twilight Princess and Corruption. Corruption is by far the best Prime title, and blahblahblah Prime sucks, go ahead and say it, but I severely disagree with that.

I'm not as happy with the Wii as I was with the Cube, sure, but of the big three franchises from Nintendo, it has their best offerings I'd say. Best 3D offerings, I should say.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #26 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:21:39 PM »

You can live without nintendo and seem perfectly content to do so. I would ask you again why you care, but at this point it just seems you like to think you're right about everything and this is just a "I TOLD YA SO" thread.

cool breeze · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:23:26 PM »

To be fair, there hasn't been a Wii Zelda yet. Twilight Princess was the second Gamecube Zelda game.

As for a good third party game, there aren't too many, but it's not so different than the Gamecube. Actually, since a lot of the good third party Gamecube games moved onto better systems, that might be an advantage for the Wii. Then again, there was that rumor that Boom Blox was coming to 360 Natal and PS3 diddle stick and that is one of the best Wii games. Oh, and I think Marvelous was talking about wanting to bring their games to other systems (one of the best Wii games is Little King's Story).

I'd also say that Mario Kart wasn't a big Wii game. It was incredibly lazy and dumbed down; not saying it wasn't fun, it was just a lazy "here's Mario Kart for Wii, now shut the fuck up" move.

I still think that the Wii isn't worse or better when compared to older Nintendo systems unless you're looking at them from a single console owner perspective. The only thing different is that the Nintendo fans hype worse games, have sales to fall back on and complain even more about why there aren't games on the Wii (may or may not contradict the first point).

I mean, I go on gaf and see a thread about a shitty CoD4 port to the Wii. The game came out two years ago on PC, 360 and PC, they didn't look like shit and ran at double the frame rate on systems that have competent online gaming. And people are still complaining that it's not better. What the fuck. and and and it's like, "bu..but the controls in Wii FPS games like The Conduit are so much better!" And that was used for why they were bitching for RE5 on Wii instead of buying it on other consoles. BUT when the PS3 is now getting a version to support the diddle stick, which is essentially a Wii remote, it's a complete lack of interest. What the fuck is going on. This shit boggles my mind. How can there be so many transparent people who sit around and lie about this shit. Nintendo fans being hardcore conservatives makes so much sense.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:26:02 PM »

I don't get why GAF bitches so much about not getting RE5 or a proper Dead Space game. Are they that fucking distinguished mentally-challenged that they can't realize that shit would be hella fug-o? When developers stick to the strengths of the system and develop great playing games (Extraction, Umbrella Chronices, which I liked more than some), they deserve to be commended, but lambasted.

GAF Ninfags can't get over that their system is technically inferior and lash out when that fact presents itself. Embrace it for its strengths and you'll be much happier.

etiolate · « **Reply #29 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:27:15 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on October 31, 2009, 12:55:15 PM

It's been like this ever since the N64 days. Nintendo rolls out limited/gimmicky system, it enjoys shitloads of sales and they sell a fuck-ton of Mario, Zelda, and other Nintendo-staple titles, fanboys don't seem to notice the overall lack of good games from everyone else, then the releases slow way down to the point that there's 2-3 games worth getting every year if you're lucky, the system dies out, and Nintendo starts the cycle all over again.

I guess this year has been AMAZING, because I actually bought FOUR games for the Wii! Although one of them is Metroid Prime Trilogy, a repackaging of old games.

But what doesn't make sense is that third parties don't take advantage of Nintendo leaving a gap open in releases for them to swoop in and exploit.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #30 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:29:14 PM »

This whole thread is moot. It still outsells the 360 on a worldwide basis and is only facing competition in Japan from the ps3. Both are selling pathetically there anyways. In the large scope of things, the future is gesticulation and non-games. Get used to it.

edit:
Damn swaggaz, that's like 3 edits!
edit 2:
I would be classified as an apathetic atheist liberal

Beezy · « **Reply #31 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:32:53 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 03:21:32 PM

I'm not as happy with the Wii as I was with the Cube, sure, but of the big three franchises from Nintendo, it has their best offerings I'd say. Best 3D offerings, I should say.

I played TP on the GC. TP is a GC game.

I was a GC only owner for most of last gen and the Wii even disappoints me. It's my nephews system now and the only console that I didn't like enough to keep. I don't give a fuck about how much it sells. It's easily the worst Nintendo console.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #32 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:35:27 PM »

Be that as it may, I played TP on Wii and enjoyed it for Wii. It's a Wii game to me, sue me.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:36:29 PM »

3d zelda ain't much to write home about anyway.
except <3 phantom hourglass <3 but that's still top-down.

archie4208 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:40:02 PM »

Honestly, the Wii has a better 2009 exclusive library than the 360. The 360's exclusive lineup has been trash this year.

SIN AND PUNISHMENT 2

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #35 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:40:24 PM »

Although it's just a rail shooter, I think Dead Space: Extraction is a single-A game

Quality production values (art assets, voice acting), some nice tense moments of gameplay

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #36 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:40:32 PM »

Oh don't start that ugly debate again. fucking awful game. Now, I'll hate Nintendo for THAT p.o.s.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #37 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:40:36 PM »

EXCITEBOTS

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PHANTOM HOURGLASS

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:42:34 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 03:40:32 PM

Oh don't start that ugly debate again. fucking awful game. Now, I'll hate Nintendo for THAT p.o.s.

are you referring to dead space: extraction?

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:47:28 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on October 31, 2009, 03:42:34 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
Oh don't start that ugly debate again. fucking awful game. Now, I'll hate Nintendo for THAT p.o.s.

are you referring to dead space: extraction?

No, I'm like the only guy in the whole internet universe that thought Phantom Hourglass was a great zelda game.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:49:48 PM »

Quote from: Borys on October 31, 2009, 03:47:03 PM

Wii Music/ Fit/ Sports/ Shit success aside that doesn't really surprise me as the same type of games had massive success on the DS (Brain Train, Cooking Mama etc.) there is one fudamental issue that just blow my fucking mind:

the Wii is supposed to be more powerful than the GameCube (see the 2 GCs taped together jokes etc.), right?

The GameCube itself was nearly under/ above the Xbox level of power, right?

So why the hell 90% of Wii games look worse than PS2 games?

Where are Wii games that look as good as Conker, Halo 2, Splinter Cell 3, Forza? Where are Wii games looking as good as GameCube's RE4, Star Fox: Adventures or F-Zero GX?

There's SMG (with limited geometry to be frank) and... nothing else.

What is the problem here?

You've got OLD-ASS hardware, OLD-ASS developing tools - why can't Wii devs utilise it? Didn't they code for the GameCube for fucks sake?

This is unbelievable from a technology evolution stand point. Never before had a more powerful platform WORSE looking games than the last generation platform from the same manufacturer.

The developers just aren't trying. Mario galaxy, brawl, and corruption are good looking games. All at 60 fps too.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:58:51 PM »

Making an engine JUST for a wii game doesn't make much fiscal sense it seems. Square enix even went as far as to make a crossplatform wii/ds engine..

twerd · « **Reply #42 on:** October 31, 2009, 05:53:51 PM »

you really think that gamecube games look better than wii games?

there are some great cube efforts, but i'd say 3rd parties have made some great looking games on the wii platform too and ones that look better than GC RE4 too (seriously, replay that game, it doesn't look as great as you think it does).

this year alone, madworld, deadly creatures (shit game, do not play), tenchu 4, dead space, muramasa... and then there are some great looking games on the pipeline too (red steel 2, silent hill, no more heroes 2)

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #43 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:32:19 PM »

The third party situation was much better on the GameCube than the Wii.

On the GameCube, Nintendo tried to court third parties. We got stuff like the Resident Evil remake (which was basically a new game), Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia, Baiten Kaitos, the other games of the ill fated Capcom 5, and FF Crystal Chronicles, which while it might have sucked ass, it was a key moment as Square's return to Nintendo. Even that fat fuck Dyack (although being a second party at the time) released a MGS remake.

Nintendo's strategic attitude towards third parties on the Wii is either ignoring them or taunting them. Unsurprisingly, there isn't shit for the console. The only game I can think of in the league of the GC major releases would be Monster Hunter 3 and Dragon Quest X down the road. People cite Mad World and No More Heroes as a sign that things improved but this is the PN 03 and Killer 7 of the Wii: pretty big for the underground but never meant to be game changers. NMH sold a couple hundred thousand but that isn't huge; back in the day, virtually any PS2 title that wasn't pure dog shit sold half a million or more in the US but yet the Wii is outpacing the PS2. Muramasa was a tiny win but so did Ikaruga.

What other third party efforts there are on the Wii is laughable. We got a new Tales game but it was an abhorrent sequel. Looking around it is either party games, PS2 port jobs, and unambitious efforts where you can tell that nobody gave the slightest bit of a fuck how bad it was: it is there to make money. That is the downside of the Blue Ocean Strategy: Nintendo fans creamed their panties that soccer moms and old people bought the system en masse but were disappointed that developers released games that, surprise surprise, targeted soccer moms and old people!

Most of the Wii defense here is just awful. It's a form of domestic battery: Nintendo gives you black eyes and you guys are trying to determine whether you should tell the cops that you hit a doorknob or fell down some stairs. Shit, when I was a Wii only owner for eight months, I never had any illusions that the system had much appeal outside of SMG and Mario Kart (which I think is underrated here; it is much better than the shitpile known as Double Dash). I enjoyed the (very few) games it had but that didn't pretend the Wii was anything other than a financially successful yet games-poor console. It is a hard argument to make that it is getting better: one or two major third party releases is fucking pathetic and the fact that we might get three here soon is better in the sense that getting a D- on an exam is better than getting an F.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #44 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:40:14 PM »

My position on the Wii is that its simply not for me. Which is sort of okay. Not everything has to be for me and there are plenty of other gaming options out there and they have been quite successful with it meaning there is a market for people who are into it.

I've owned one since launch as I was very excited about the potential of the system but beyond the initial games and some of the Wii Motion Plus stuff, its just nothing I'm really interested in dropping a lot of time into. Not because of the graphics. I could care less about that. And not even the lack of "hardcore" games. I was always more interested in the motion control stuff anyway which is why I bought the system. The problem for me was they haven't been able to consisently use the motion control stuff to make enough compelling software. I like the motion plus stuff a lot more and wish it had launched with that since it seems like there may not be a lot of software that will ultimately take advantage of it.

twerd · « **Reply #45 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »

Quote from: T EXP on October 31, 2009, 06:32:19 PM

The third party situation was much better on the GameCube than the Wii.

On the GameCube, Nintendo tried to court third parties. We got stuff like the Resident Evil remake (which was basically a new game), Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia, Baiten Kaitos, the other games of the ill fated Capcom 5, and FF Crystal Chronicles, which while it might have sucked ass, it was a key moment as Square's return to Nintendo. Even that fat fuck Dyack (although being a second party at the time) released a MGS remake.

LOOK AT ALL THOSE AAA TITLES. seriously, gamecube was barely better than 64 from the 3rd party perspective. it's big success was RE4, which was still outsold on the PS2 and then again when it was ported to GC successor.

the next mainstream tales is going to wii not that i give a shit, baten kaitos is big name? gtfo, crystal chronicles is going stronger due to its wii support (4 titles, 2 downloadable). the only time wii third party support was shitty was right at the beginning when it was all remakes.

maybe i'm just more easily pleased, i understand that nintendo gaming offers more arcadey, group gaming opportunities, whereas the hd consoles offer more hollywood-esque gaming. they have their unique advantages, ignoring the differences in control type. fans have convinced themselves that if the graphics were more beefy we'd get more "hardcorez" games. that's bull, this is demographic decisions, not waggle sticks. nintendo has never been a developer that built games similar to sony/microsoft's approach, and 3rd parties have generally adopted similar development ideas.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #46 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:54:40 PM »

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the only time wii third party support was shitty was right at the beginning when it was all remakes.

You are a fucking idiot.

twerd · « **Reply #47 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:56:03 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 31, 2009, 06:54:40 PM

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the only time wii third party support was shitty was right at the beginning when it was all remakes.

You are a fucking idiot.

comparatively to other nintendo consoles. 3rd party support on nintendo consoles will always be shitty in comparison to the other consoles.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #48 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:59:18 PM »

Nope, still an idiot. Name a 3rd party game as good as REmake or Viewtiful Joe or RE4 or even yes, Baiten Kaitos. You can't because they don't exist, it's all a bunch of shitty waggle shovelware and like Borys said, crappy looking sub PS2 caliber ports of stuff like Madden and COD4... often MONTHS AFTER the actual consoles get them.

I mean, if you want to use the Wii as a party machine for when people come over and to supplement ACTUAL console gaming, I understand owning one. Wii bowling and shit is mildly entertaining for a little bit, but actually trying to justify owning JUST a Wii is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #49 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:09:49 PM »

Christ Card Cheat, did you even read part of this thread? You're purposefully being skullfuckingly ignorant. Extraction, Umbrella Chronicles, Little King's Story, Dawn of Discovery, Zak and Wiki, and No More Heroes are some great third party games, that, yes, I'd say are all better than REmake and Baiten Kaitos.

And I can fucking justify owning a Wii if I want to. I have the above games plus Nintendo's offerings which I believe ARE better than their GC offerings, plus the fun family/party Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort. I get a lot of enjoyment out of my Wii alongside my 360. If you can't accept that, you're just on a crusade to hatefuck Nintendo. It's okay, it's the cool thing to do, I get it.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #50 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:13:45 PM »

What's with all the Little King's Story love on the nerdboards? My nephew bought that game and it was seriously horrible. Really, I don't get what is so great about it. Please educate me on what is so fantabulous about LKS.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #51 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:15:51 PM »

...What was horrible about it? It was a nice mixture of Pikmin-like gameplay with some RTS management that I enjoyed. It had nice music and production values and I had a really good time playing it.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #52 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:18:24 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 07:15:51 PM

...What was horrible about it? It was a nice mixture of Pikmin-like gameplay with some RTS management that I enjoyed. It had nice music and production values and I had a really good time playing it.

Totally sounds better than REmake.

*snicker*

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #53 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:20:59 PM »

Well, it was for me, considering I fucking can't stand traditional Resident Evil games beyond 4 and 5.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #54 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:26:18 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 07:15:51 PM

...What was horrible about it? It was a nice mixture of Pikmin-like gameplay with some RTS management that I enjoyed. It had nice music and production values and I had a really good time playing it.

That.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #55 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:26:27 PM »

Basically nothing that you said in this response made any sense:

Quote from: twerd on October 31, 2009, 06:45:55 PM

LOOK AT ALL THOSE AAA TITLES. seriously, gamecube was barely better than 64 from the 3rd party perspective. it's big success was RE4, which was still outsold on the PS2 and then again when it was ported to GC successor.

Being barely better than the N64 means what exactly? Doesn't change the fact that the Wii doesn't have shit.

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the next mainstream tales is going to wii not that i give a shit, baten kaitos is big name? gtfo, crystal chronicles is going stronger due to its wii support (4 titles, 2 downloadable). the only time wii third party support was shitty was right at the beginning when it was all remakes.

This doesn't make any sense and missed the point completely. Baiten Kaitos is not necessarily a big name but a sign that third parties were willing to invest effort into GameCube titles, something that isn't going on the Wii except for a couple of games like Monster Hunter 3. I just explained what the significance of FFCC: it had almost fuck all to do with the game and everything with the fact that Square was now producing titles for Nintendo. Between the end of the SNES and FFCC, Square didn't release anything on a Nintendo machine. They developed titles for the Bandai WonderSwan of all things. The olive branch Nintendo handed to Square to make FFCC brought them back into making games on Nintendo machines. This cannot be made any clearer.

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maybe i'm just more easily pleased, i understand that nintendo gaming offers more arcadey, group gaming opportunities, whereas the hd consoles offer more hollywood-esque gaming. they have their unique advantages, ignoring the differences in control type. fans have convinced themselves that if the graphics were more beefy we'd get more "hardcorez" games. that's bull, this is demographic decisions, not waggle sticks. nintendo has never been a developer that built games similar to sony/microsoft's approach, and 3rd parties have generally adopted similar development ideas.

Lowering your standards for fanboy allegiance is sad. I doubt any of the Wii fans here bought much shovelware shit for PS2. Exercise games and sports mini games were on all the systems but I highly doubt you bought them. Nobody who took gaming serious did; we all dismissed it as shovelware trash made by second year interns no more than five years ago. Now, ever since Nintendo repackaged what used to be PS2 shovelware and let you waggle, it is now cutting edge and innovative. I'd be interested to know Nintard purchasing habits prior to the Wii to see if they were always into those "arcadey" games like Wii Sports. I suspect not and I think it is more of a case of blind fanboyism.

Besides, Nintendo fans again creamed their pants when third parties were offering meatier first and third party games on GameCube like Metroid Prime, which was Nintendo's answer to games like Halo where consumers complained of the general kiddiness of their software. All of a sudden now they are shit and not worth playing, arcadey is where it is at. Whatever. I know being a Nintendo fanboy means giving up any kind of consistency in what is considered good (except for having a Nintendo label printed on the box) but at least pretend that you have an independent thought on what you think is a good game and what Nintendo is trying to shove down the throats of old people, soccer moms, and obedient fanboys.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #56 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:28:43 PM »

Someone here cares a little too much about fucking videogames.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #57 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:31:27 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2009, 07:28:43 PM

Someone here cares a little too much about fucking videogames.

Playing the cool card is fucking worthless considering we are on a gaming section on an internet message board.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #58 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:34:21 PM »

I'm not playing the cool card. I just don't give a shit about any of this. I play games that I find fun. I happen to find some games on the Wii, you know, fun. I grew up playing Nintendo games. I also have a 360 and love the games on that.

Not all people who buy Nintendo games and systems, are, you know, Nintards.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #59 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:00:51 PM »

The GameCube at least got some direct ports of some half-decent PS2/Xbox games (e.g. Beyond Good & Evil, SoulCalibur, Burnout, Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, SSX, James Bond, Need for Speed, TimeSplitters). Not all great games, but it gave GameCube-only owners something to play.

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