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Barry Egan

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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1260 on: December 09, 2009, 09:55:42 PM »
Fucking Hell.

Apparently some students cheated on a memo assignment by collaborating with each other (that rules me out . . . I'd think!). Now every student in the class must write an essay about professional integrity and responsibility.

Just what I need.

so they know who cheated and they're still punishing the entire class?  Law school  :lol

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« Reply #1261 on: December 09, 2009, 09:58:07 PM »
They probably know who, but they don't have any evidence on them.

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« Reply #1262 on: December 09, 2009, 09:58:42 PM »
IT IS SO FUCKING WINDY OUTSIDE GODDAMN

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« Reply #1263 on: December 09, 2009, 09:59:33 PM »
I'm watching the series finale of the OC right now.  Need some tissues.

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« Reply #1264 on: December 09, 2009, 10:05:08 PM »
They probably know who, but they don't have any evidence on them.

explain.  How can they know someone cheated with out knowing who it was?

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« Reply #1265 on: December 09, 2009, 10:05:22 PM »

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« Reply #1266 on: December 09, 2009, 10:09:12 PM »
IT IS SO FUCKING WINDY OUTSIDE GODDAMN
And cold. It snowed in fucking Sacramento a couple of days ago. Snowed! First time in almost a decade
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« Reply #1267 on: December 09, 2009, 10:11:19 PM »
They probably know who, but they don't have any evidence on them.

explain.  How can they know someone cheated with out knowing who it was?

They might know who cheated through second-hand allegations or circumstantial evidence, such as similarity between memos. But it might not be enough to fail a student.

I don't know; it's not like I go to school
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« Reply #1268 on: December 09, 2009, 10:14:39 PM »
I'm watching the series finale of the OC right now.  Need some tissues.

Just do it in a sock, dude.
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« Reply #1269 on: December 09, 2009, 10:15:05 PM »
I'm watching the series finale of the OC right now.  Need some tissues.

Just do it in a sock, dude.

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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1270 on: December 09, 2009, 11:24:36 PM »
I decided to check out an stack of old cds I have in my room and found a lot of cool shit.

Old South Park episodes in spanish.
Games( including pirated and original version of Starcraft and 2 pirated copies of max payne 2)
Music(I forgot that I used to listen to eminem)
Saint Seiya comics and episodes :rock
Movies
All the MGS3 trailers :rock
Porn

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« Reply #1271 on: December 09, 2009, 11:41:47 PM »
Willco, will you write my essay?  :-*

Will you put out? Because this chick will:


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« Reply #1272 on: December 09, 2009, 11:45:19 PM »
Fucking Hell.

Apparently some students cheated on a memo assignment by collaborating with each other (that rules me out . . . I'd think!). Now every student in the class must write an essay about professional integrity and responsibility.

Just what I need.

You should find a way to make it about the ethics of collective punishment.

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« Reply #1273 on: December 09, 2009, 11:53:11 PM »
I'm kind of stressing out. I had a feature, that I was working on in my own spare time, as sort of a back burner project if something else that I'm attached to sold. One of the three producers on that project is a good friend of mine, and I kept him in the loop about what I was working on.

I had not really planned to begin typing anything out until January, and was hoping to take my sweet, sweet time.

Well, on Sunday, he asked to bring another producer into the project and we had our first production meeting, with deadlines and everything. He already had spoken about bringing in another producer, and that means he wants to ramp up to make this his next go-to project.

Then I get a call yesterday that he did not want to feed me concrete details, because everything is still "up in the air", but that things are "moving very fast" and that he was going to need the script "sooner, rather than later". It was insinuated that something we had talked about - a company not biting on this other project but nibbling at a film pitch - was coming to fruition.

Then I get call tonight saying that things were moving so fast that after he met with his family for Christmas, he planned to fly or Amtrak down to D.C. to meet with me in-person and discuss the project. That is, unless he is forced to depart earlier than expected to Los Angeles for "stuff that is up in the air" - which was stated to be a very distinct possibility.

My fear is that everything I've handed to these guys, they've unanimously liked. And that's 3-for-3 in terms of finished screenplays. But with so little prep time, I fear turning in a substandard draft.
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1274 on: December 09, 2009, 11:56:08 PM »
and this is how people in hollywood get into cocaine

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« Reply #1275 on: December 09, 2009, 11:58:45 PM »
:lol

I'm sitting here pacing back and forth, totally stressed. I feel like a typical neurotic writer. The good news is that with two producers (and maybe a third one soon) and their staff on board, I can request stuff. Like I'm having a ton of related source material and films with similar styles (or material) sent to my house later this week for research. And they take care of all that stuff for me.

I can tell they're working on selling it, because their tone has changed in subsequent interactions with me. It's gone from friendly chats to producer talk, and one of them is trying to fuel my ego with Hollywood lingo. It actually stresses me out more than it helps. Just tell me I'm garbage, and I'll settle down.
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« Reply #1276 on: December 10, 2009, 12:02:07 AM »
that's awesome.  I've always wondered how that stuff works.  Is it normal for producers to provide material like that for writers?  like they say "we want something like ____" and then you watch a bunch of stuff that gives you ideas...

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« Reply #1277 on: December 10, 2009, 12:11:42 AM »
Depends. Some writers do all the research themselves or if they are studio jockeys, can request the studio to assist them. And - definitely - if a studio wants a particular genre or flick ("Make us another Transformers, now!"), they'll get some writers and give them access to source material they're interested in and let them have at it.

And while working on a greenlit project, you can get the producer (or rather, an assistant) to get that stuff for you. Most writers don't have the benefit of necessarily having a producer before a script is finished - unless it's a studio project.

Since I've known this particular person for years, and through another project, I have that luxury.

I went in with a whole project already assembled, but I don't really feel confident about my second act and want to look to superior films/books for stuff to rip off reference. In that situation, yeah, you can make a call and the producer (or someone under him) will get you that stuff. These guys are more than happy to do so, because they want the script yesterday.

... but yeah, I was told other than making just enough to "get by" from my freelance work, this project is now my number one priority. Which means (and I'm guessing), they may have gotten a director attached or someone to bite on the pitch. I'm not too keen on selling the project before my first draft is done, though.

That said, I understand it was likely a last resort response to a "... what else do you got?" question in some pitch meeting, and my pal thought back and went, "Oh yeah, Will is working on that dumb film."
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« Reply #1278 on: December 10, 2009, 12:19:41 AM »
muckhole can share in my stress, since he is assisting me as well. ;)
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« Reply #1279 on: December 10, 2009, 12:47:30 AM »
muckhole can share in my stress, since he is assisting me as well. ;)

 :lol

I was just reading your posts, and thinking "Wow, should I be stressed too?"



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« Reply #1280 on: December 10, 2009, 12:55:06 AM »
Remember those deadlines we were talking about? Well they just got a whole lot more DEADLINELIER.

... Just stick to our notes, and we'll take it from there. But, yeah, apparently things are progressing fast. So maybe you will see muckhole's name in the credits of some crappy film soon enough!*

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« Reply #1281 on: December 10, 2009, 01:01:15 AM »
I look forward to seeing whether Willco or muckhole nabs the "Alan Smithee" username first.

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« Reply #1282 on: December 10, 2009, 01:01:56 AM »
Shit, i had a one month intensive course where more than 2000 pages were assigned.  Malek destroyed.

what was that in?
One-upmanship. Looks like he got an A+.
My college didn't give A+ as a grade.  Suffice to say I did get an A.  Also none of it was literature.  It was all post-colonial theory :-\

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« Reply #1283 on: December 10, 2009, 01:02:51 AM »
I look forward to seeing whether Willco or muckhole nabs the "Alan Smithee" username first.

I'll be using "Burt Pfeister" in honor of the 'Bore.
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« Reply #1284 on: December 10, 2009, 01:03:24 AM »
Fucking Hell.

Apparently some students cheated on a memo assignment by collaborating with each other (that rules me out . . . I'd think!). Now every student in the class must write an essay about professional integrity and responsibility.

Just what I need.

But....you're going to be lawyers.
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« Reply #1285 on: December 10, 2009, 01:04:29 AM »
I look forward to seeing whether Willco or muckhole nabs the "Alan Smithee" username first.

:lol

My biggest fear is that I send my script off to be skewered, re-written and watered down until it is a soulless genre retread manufactured solely to make money off of specific target audiences. Then, completely broken and creatively bankrupt, I reluctantly take the Candyland gig and milk the residuals for all their worth.
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« Reply #1286 on: December 10, 2009, 01:04:48 AM »
Guh? Not only is there the CDIA - Boston University in Georgetown, which employs actual industry folks that I personally know, but the AFI also offers workshops for aspiring filmmakers in Silver Spring in conjunction with the AFI Silver Theater and Cultural Arts center. Which, mind you, is the only real education they offer outside of their conservatory in California, which is drool-worthy.

Hell, the fact that the AFI is even based here negates that whole argument.

Not to mention that there are several schools that offer broadcasting and filmmaking degrees within the area, including The Art Institute in Virginia.

... And as stated, the area has the largest non-fiction production base in the entire country (that's not an opinion, that's a fact) and that includes Los Angeles. I find it abhorrent that you think that a city that is the home to the Smithsonian, a handful of film societies, the AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE, etc. has "no creativity".

I won't even mention things like the Kennedy Center, which is outside of film, because you're being ignorant.

I'm going to rip this part of the topic off and jettison it to the OT so we don't ruin the topic, though.

i wondered where this went.

you basically confirmed what i've just said. great job.

and i find it laughable that you think institutions like afi and smithosian whose job are to preserve and increase our knowledge of the arts is somehow tied in with creativity.

don't take it so personally buddy. you should submit your work to artomatic next year.

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« Reply #1287 on: December 10, 2009, 01:06:47 AM »
I fail to see how the AFI, which actually educates filmmakers, is not tied to creativity. Or the CDIA? Or the Art Institute?

... and the Smithsonian is more than a museum. If you don't get that, then you aren't going to get anything. (Ever hear of television?)

And I will take it personally. I have a lot of friends, highly skilled photographers and filmmakers, that work and live in the area. So to say that what they does not qualify as creative, or art, is kind of offensive - especially when they teach at state institutions that have film programs, schools like CDIA, are under employ of National Geographic/Discovery/Smithsonian, etc.

There is a significant film base here, rivaled only by Los Angeles, New York and - maybe - San Francisco (because they do so many commercials). There is art and creativity here. You do not need to look far to find it.
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« Reply #1288 on: December 10, 2009, 01:45:31 AM »
Wilco you have a leak some where.  xkcd stole one of your movie ideas.

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« Reply #1289 on: December 10, 2009, 04:10:31 AM »
I fail to see how the AFI, which actually educates filmmakers, is not tied to creativity. Or the CDIA? Or the Art Institute?

... and the Smithsonian is more than a museum. If you don't get that, then you aren't going to get anything. (Ever hear of television?)

And I will take it personally. I have a lot of friends, highly skilled photographers and filmmakers, that work and live in the area. So to say that what they does not qualify as creative, or art, is kind of offensive - especially when they teach at state institutions that have film programs, schools like CDIA, are under employ of National Geographic/Discovery/Smithsonian, etc.

There is a significant film base here, rivaled only by Los Angeles, New York and - maybe - San Francisco (because they do so many commercials). There is art and creativity here. You do not need to look far to find it.

the art institute has schools across the nation and has a poor reputation within the art community, not necessarily because they're thinly spread out, but because their goal is to rob their students of their time and their parents of their money. and i'm sure you've heard this before, technical know how has no relation to creativity which is probably why i'm seeing shitty informative documentaries littered throughout the smithsonian channel. and are you really trying to pass this off as being creative? have you ever even gone to any of the local festivals such as the silverdocs, shortfilmfest and dcfilmfest or even any of the smithsonian weekend screenings? dc is even ill represented within its own city.

and nearly every university across the nation is adding film and media programs to their studies which are largely taught by industry rejects. for a good laugh, check out my university's newly formed film program faculty staff which has close relations with national geographic/discovery/smithsonian/blahblahblah.
http://favs.gmu.edu/
the closest we have to a notable alumni in film is carma hinton (an amazing professor), who is really an history professor though the school tries to pass her off as being part of the program. its the same story for any neighboring university.

i just think you're ill informed on our city's culture and are trying to find some validity for living here. this isn't a starving city anymore, the last time this area was alive with a thriving art community was nearly two decades ago which was dominantly counter culture. were surrounded by too much stability, money, education and bureaucracy which has drained this city of its life. try stepping outside of the mall for once. go to h street and witness the exploitation of art, or maybe try some of the lounges on u street which at times manage to house some of the most prestigious names in jazz or music in general who are accustomed to playing in front of sold out crowds in nyc yet they'll be lucky to play in front of ten. maybe try some of the diy scene, which is nearly non existent since i know nearly everyone within that circle, or even better! lets go on a voyage and try to find some small privately run galleries!

and film is a terrible way to show creativity since only a few people within that industry have it. the rest are tools to their disposal. i really have no idea what your aspirations are in the industry, but i'll give you this word of advice, if you don't want to be reduced to making cheap history channel knockoffs, you're living in the wrong area. there is a reason why anyone with any talent living here moves to neighboring cities with well known art communities such as baltimore or richmond.



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« Reply #1290 on: December 10, 2009, 05:09:32 AM »
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« Reply #1291 on: December 10, 2009, 07:02:24 AM »
University is closed today due to snow  :D
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« Reply #1292 on: December 10, 2009, 07:37:57 AM »
Did you end up getting that job you interviewed for GS?
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« Reply #1293 on: December 10, 2009, 09:54:01 AM »

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« Reply #1294 on: December 10, 2009, 11:09:38 AM »
... technical know how has no relation to creativity which is probably why i'm seeing shitty informative documentaries littered throughout the smithsonian channel.

Not everyone in the industry is talented, but if you're telling me there is no creativity, art or craftmanship that goes into non-fiction media, then you're just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Like I said, I personally know several people that work through all three big area employers (and really dominant employers in the industry), that are extremely talented, have a lot of creativity and teach at area schools - not as industry rejects, but working professionals.

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and are you really trying to pass this off as being creative? have you ever even gone to any of the local festivals such as the silverdocs, shortfilmfest and dcfilmfest or even any of the smithsonian weekend screenings? dc is even ill represented within its own city.

D.C. is not a short film or feature film centric community, nor would I expect it to be. That doesn't mean there are not filmmakers here. Not everyone has aspirations for Hollywood or Tribeca.

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and nearly every university across the nation is adding film and media programs to their studies which are largely taught by industry rejects. for a good laugh, check out my university's newly formed film program faculty staff which has close relations with national geographic/discovery/smithsonian/blahblahblah.

Dude, but CDIA and AFI educate filmmakers with professionals and often bring in guests from outside the area. I know the AFI has held workshops where Hollywood professionals have stepped in and sat down with students. State schools don't necessarily have those connections at their disposal, but your argument is now all universities that are not trade schools are somehow ill prepared to educate students on film.

Let me say this, as someone who knows (and someone who has issues with college degrees in filmmaking), anything someone learns at state will likely be the same thing they learn at NYFA, USC or LAFS. I've got a dozen friends that dumped massive tuition into NYFA (whose best alumni is Brett Ratner), who in retrospect would've gladly handed it to another state university or the AI.

The only film school I would say is worth the money is the conservatory that the AFI runs in California, which is highly exclusive and very costly. Usually you need connections to even get in. So in that regard, to have access to any of the education from that program, which D.C. is the only area that does, is pretty awesome.

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i just think you're ill informed on our city's culture and are trying to find some validity for living here. this isn't a starving city anymore, the last time this area was alive with a thriving art community was nearly two decades ago which was dominantly counter culture. were surrounded by too much stability, money, education and bureaucracy which has drained this city of its life. try stepping outside of the mall for once.

Oh my god, you're one of those people. I like how you're telling me to "step outside the mall" for once, without knowing anything about me.

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... and film is a terrible way to show creativity since only a few people within that industry have it. the rest are tools to their disposal.

Yeah, our discussion ends here.
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« Reply #1295 on: December 10, 2009, 11:10:21 AM »
Willco, can you give me some tips on how to get into the position to make money as a screenwriter?

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« Reply #1296 on: December 10, 2009, 12:51:22 PM »
Turned in my paper last night at 1am.  Had nightmares all night about having missed something on the paper  :-\

TIME TO MOVE ON I SAY

...and start studying for real classes  :'(

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« Reply #1297 on: December 10, 2009, 02:37:07 PM »
off to my final  :'(

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« Reply #1298 on: December 10, 2009, 04:00:02 PM »
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« Reply #1299 on: December 10, 2009, 04:13:34 PM »
does couch mean something different in your slang pocket than mine

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« Reply #1300 on: December 10, 2009, 04:13:42 PM »
If you google "flogging the log", lots of EB stuff comes up.  :lol
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« Reply #1301 on: December 10, 2009, 04:19:12 PM »
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« Reply #1302 on: December 10, 2009, 04:21:36 PM »
The GIS results are terrifying.
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« Reply #1303 on: December 10, 2009, 04:40:48 PM »
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Ok, we are on the same page.

So then how do you accidently give an extra couch?  They are kind of big?

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« Reply #1305 on: December 10, 2009, 06:53:39 PM »
off to my final  :'(

good luck

Thanks, it went awesome.  I got a 90 on my essay I just handed in on Tuesday too.  If I get a 92 on the final I will come out of the class with a 90! 

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« Reply #1306 on: December 10, 2009, 06:56:40 PM »
If you google "flogging the log", lots of EB stuff comes up.  :lol

Kafka's avatar comes up in Image Search :lol
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« Reply #1307 on: December 10, 2009, 07:53:31 PM »
off to my final  :'(

good luck

Thanks, it went awesome.  I got a 90 on my essay I just handed in on Tuesday too.  If I get a 92 on the final I will come out of the class with a 90! 

Good job.


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« Reply #1308 on: December 10, 2009, 08:06:40 PM »
If you google "flogging the log", lots of EB stuff comes up.  :lol

Kafka's avatar comes up in Image Search :lol

I edited the post it comes from appropriately.   but why me  :'(

If you have safe search on, my av is first, a dog giving itself a red rocket is 2nd, with scenester's av a few after that. :lol

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« Reply #1309 on: December 10, 2009, 08:07:03 PM »
also, took my contracts final today, realized I don't like anyone there, and even my one friend kinda irks me.

fuck law school, don't care if I fail out. 

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« Reply #1310 on: December 10, 2009, 08:08:21 PM »
also, took my contracts final today. 

fuck law school, don't care if I fail out. 

Got evidence tomorrow morning

And I do care if I fail out--or get anything less than a B.

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« Reply #1311 on: December 10, 2009, 08:13:34 PM »
also, took my contracts final today. 

fuck law school, don't care if I fail out. 

Got evidence tomorrow morning

And I do care if I fail out--or get anything less than a B.

good jon for caring



also, I think I win some kind of rule 34 long shot contest for finding this picture:
http://www.midbrowart.com/layer1/nugal/masks01/image01.htm
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1312 on: December 10, 2009, 08:56:28 PM »
I feel better already. :smug
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1313 on: December 11, 2009, 01:43:01 AM »
also, I think I win some kind of rule 34 long shot contest for finding this picture:
http://www.midbrowart.com/layer1/nugal/masks01/image01.htm
 :nsfw


oh. my. god.
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1314 on: December 11, 2009, 01:44:02 AM »
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blah blah blah

Not everyone in the industry is talented, but if you're telling me there is no creativity, art or craftmanship that goes into non-fiction media, then you're just wrong, wrong, wrong.


i hate to have to point this out to you since with how you're selling yourself, you've left me to assume that your well versed in terms of documentary films. it doesn't matter how great the subject is, how eccentric the cast of characters are or how scenic the landscapes can be, in the end a creative and even a technical approach will often times blind the cast of whats sitting infront of them. it has very little to do with "creativity" and more so to do with journalistic integrity. how well you can make a documentary is directly tied to how well you can truly see whats around you. if you have that talent, you can make the tiniest subjects seem big.

though when you're choosing topics where all the information could easily come straight out of wikipedia, i guess you have to have some creative approach or budget to differentiate your work from the vast majority of others who covered it before you. gotta add that twang.

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D.C. is not a short film or feature film centric community, nor would I expect it to be. That doesn't mean there are not filmmakers here. Not everyone has aspirations for Hollywood or Tribeca.

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Oh my god, you're one of those people. I like how you're telling me to "step outside the mall" for once, without knowing anything about me.


i've seen your top films of the decade 

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Yeah, our discussion ends here.

i'd love for you to prove me wrong :smug

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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1315 on: December 11, 2009, 01:59:17 AM »
i hate to have to point this out to you since with how you're selling yourself, you've left me to assume that your well versed in terms of documentary films.

i hate to have to point this out to you since you do not know but documentary films are not the only form of non-fiction media or programming and they do require creativity. you have to write a script and create a narrative but hey you obviously know what you are talking about.

Keep practicing, brah.
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1316 on: December 11, 2009, 02:10:23 AM »
But you're already getting paid to do screenwriting-related stuff. Fixing scripts and whatnot.

Let me emphasize that I make very little, and I have actually taken a drastic pay cut from my salary as a multi-unit retail manager to work on other people's projects, works, etc.

It is often belittling and makes me angry (and I make little), with only the promise that one day, something I write might break.

Most of my financial funds come from other contract writing work, unrelated to film.

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Can you advise me on how to get into a similar position? So many shitty movies come out every year - it's quite obvious that I'm already a better writer than some of the people who currently make a living in screenwriting.

The first thing I can probably advise is that you should check that line of thought at the door. If you start thinking you're a better writer than the dozens of other hacks that get their stuff produced, it creates a false sense of hope. The fact is, you or I are not better than the vast majority of the writers in Hollywood. We are probably less likely to see success. We can only hope we network enough that we catch a break.

Unless you're Charlie Kaufman, you will not be successful on talent alone.

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How can I get into a position to prove this? I'm not trying to compare myself to you or assert that I'm on the level of the top dogs out there. I just want advice on how to get into a position to do what you currently do.

Dude, I'm a nobody. I'm not even at the level of the script janitors that work for a studio. I've only gotten to this "level" by networking, for years, and continuing to put my work into other people's hands. Just keep writing and don't stop until someone tells you to.
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« Reply #1317 on: December 11, 2009, 02:16:51 AM »
And just so you know, the biggest key to financial success in Hollywood is to secure representation. Unfortunately, this is rather difficult. Most studios won't look at your spec script unless you have representation, but most agents will flat out refuse you as a client unless you have a film under your belt.

It's kind of a Catch-22.

I haven't even gotten representation myself yet, but I'm getting closer. A lot of struggling film school students will even try to find bars and watering holes where agent's assistants hang out, hoping to ride their coattails if they are ever promoted. I think this is kind of a ridiculous and time consuming way to secure an agent.

Even more folks find a non-union production and try to make a crappy indie film, so at least they have something to show for themselves. Then you get an agent. Then you make money!

(then you get the girls and the power.)

Then there's the oddball chance that you write a spec scrip so good that the studio will find you adequate representation just so they can buy it off of you. This is usually a fantasy for most folks, though.
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Re: Official Thread of Flogging the Log: A Place for Better Random Talk
« Reply #1318 on: December 11, 2009, 02:30:07 AM »
Why can't I fall asleep the night before I have to take an exam anymore.  :-\

I'd like to return to the days when only people caused me anxiety.

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« Reply #1319 on: December 11, 2009, 02:34:51 AM »
That depends. If you were at an agency that represented both film and publishing, I could see it being easier. It would also depend on the success of the book. There are a lot of variables.

I guess my answer would be that it couldn't hurt. Anything that increases your visibility makes you more attractive to an agent.

But - hey - who am I to say what works and what doesn't? Give it a shot! I've actually stopped caring about representation for awhile, because I've connected with some producers, directors and such that I work well with. If I really wanted it, I could probably get a friend to call and connect me with someone, but it's not a priority for me at the moment.

I'm all about guerrilla filmmaking! :rock
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