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[Borys]

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[TakingBackSunday]

If it's that cheap with real money (the dollar) I'll certainly look into getting it, provided there's a worthwhile game or two that comes along with it.

[Kestastrophe]

how the fuck do you misspell "Natal" when it says it right in the article? SMH

[Crushed]

how the fuck do you misspell "Natal" when it says it right in the article? SMH

Borys has consistently spelled it "Netal" from Day 1, for reasons known only to himself.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Wasn't expecting it go that low, especially since MS basically rapes you otherwise on everything else.  Guess they really want to sell this thing.

I'm not sold on the whole Natal thing at all but if it ends up retailing for 60-90 bucks I'd be a little more willing to give in.

[Himu]

does anyone actually care about this

[Third]

I'll buy this after it bombs. So I expect to buy this short after its launch.

[Great Rumbler]

does anyone actually care about this

Umm... this is the next Xbox. It will probably get exclusive Halo, Fable, Gears etc. games so if you are a 360 fan you should probably care about this.

[Flannel Boy]

Ban all Polacks.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

does anyone actually care about this

Umm... this is the next Xbox. It will probably get exclusive Halo, Fable, Gears etc. games so if you are a 360 fan you should probably care about this.

As much as MS wants to call it their next console, it's just a reworked eye toy for the 360 as far as I can tell.  Do not want.

Don't want any saggle shit either.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm much more interested in Natal as it seems to actually be heading into new ground without completely abandoning a traditional control scheme.  Saggle just...it's embarrassing how much it's ripping off the Wii, and it's not even really doing a great job at that besides the better 1:1.

Of course it all depends on software, but I haven't seen anything from Sony that seems to tickle my fancy.  At least with Natal the technology itself interests me.

[Don Flamenco]

the industry has a habit of releasing accessories that are interesting in theory, but never get decent support, so it'll be interesting to see how MS handles this. 

[TakingBackSunday]

Well it sounds like they've done their research and garnered support from some of the heavier hitters.  We shall see.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I'm sure Milo will sell to the NAMBLA crowd out there.

[Bocsius]

does anyone actually care about this

Umm... this is the next Xbox. It will probably get exclusive Halo, Fable, Gears etc. games so if you are a 360 fan you should probably care about this.

Uh, no. Not really.

But on that point, I'm all for them doing whatever they think is necessary to go after and expand the Wii market. More power to them, it's a business, etc. But personally speaking, I have no interest in participating in that sort of gaming. If Halo, Gears, etc., go that route, then our paths will diverge. I don't have much interest in continuing on after this generation anyway.

[Don Flamenco]

Well it sounds like they've done their research and garnered support from some of the heavier hitters.  We shall see.

If MS' head isn't up their ass, they'll use all that positive buzz they had after E3.  It's not often that a game-related product at E3 makes a splash in the public (outside of new systems.)

[Brehvolution]

Navigating the dashboard with the wave of the hand sold me. I'm so sick of pressing to the right on the thumbstick/dpad for it to go up or down. 

[Bildi]

  That's my number one beef with the new dashboard too.  It's time to step out of 1994 losers.

[Bebpo]

You guys are actually going to wave your hands and feet around voluntarily?  I only do it on the Wii because I'm forced to if I want to play their few good games.  No way I'm touching Natal or PS3mote; Remember sixaxis?  Get that shit out of gaming!   

[M3wThr33]

They were able to get the price down by taking out the dedicated on-board processor. Originally it handled the computing of the data. Now it has to be done on the 360 itself.

[Phoenix Dark]

MIDAS NETAL

[Great Rumbler]

They were able to get the price down by taking out the dedicated on-board processor. Originally it handled the computing of the data. Now it has to be done on the 360 itself.

Downgrade total.

[Bildi]

You guys are actually going to wave your hands and feet around voluntarily?  I only do it on the Wii because I'm forced to if I want to play their few good games.  No way I'm touching Natal or PS3mote; Remember sixaxis?  Get that shit out of gaming!   

It'll keep the flies away too.

[TakingBackSunday]

You guys are actually going to wave your hands and feet around voluntarily?  I only do it on the Wii because I'm forced to if I want to play their few good games.  No way I'm touching Natal or PS3mote; Remember sixaxis?  Get that shit out of gaming!   

meh.  this is the equivalent of "get off mah damn yard" in gaming these days.

[M3wThr33]

wow...

So 09's holiday season was disappointing in terms of number of exclusives to a lot of xfans, and it seems like it'll only get worse; '10 holidays has been officially ruined.

Oh, it'll only get worse. Do a search on how many Natal projects are out there that MS is helping along and you'll be scared. It's going to be a very gimmicky 2010.

[pilonv1]

at least i wont have to buy a new machine to get my non xaggle games

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Do not want.

I think it and the PS3 dildowand are going to tank hard.  Anyone who wants to waggle or gesticulate in front of the TV will have already purchased a Wii.

Imitation is suicide, especially if it is four years after the fact.  Imitating by gesticulating or waggling using a glowing dildo wand is like death by auto erotic asphyxiation.  These two, along with the PSP Go, will be recognized as one of the worst mistakes in gaming, sitting alongside the Virtual Boy, Gizmondo, and the Apple Pippin.

[brawndolicious]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

[MCD]

like i told jinfash some time ago, i might have fun using it with the 360 dashboard but not sold on the gaems.

[Human Snorenado]

wow...

So 09's holiday season was disappointing in terms of number of exclusives to a lot of xfans, and it seems like it'll only get worse; '10 holidays has been officially ruined.

Oh, it'll only get worse. Do a search on how many Natal projects are out there that MS is helping along and you'll be scared. It's going to be a very gimmicky 2010.

Fortunately the early half of 2010 is chock full of actual good games that got bumped from '09. 

[cool breeze]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

The Sony diddle stick is going to be the copycat.  I think Natal has a unique gimmick on it's own.

[TakingBackSunday]

Imitation is suicide, especially if it is four years after the fact.

Yeah, tell that to Sony after it added analog sticks and rumble. 

[Human Snorenado]

To be fair, they added analog sticks to a controller that didn't suck and in a manner that made sense (dual analog, broseph) and didn't make rumble an add on that required batteries.  It's not like Nintendo made the RIGHT CHOICES with those features.

[TakingBackSunday]

I know, you're right.  I'm just saying that BOTH of these, Natal much more so than Saggle, are taking some of the basic concepts from Wii and doing their own things with their respective technologies.  To write them off is immature.  Imitation in the videogame industry is the industry.

Although from what I've seen of Saggle I'm not really encouraged, but, alas, story of the generation for Sony.

[Bildi]

like i told jinfash some time ago, i might have fun using it with the 360 dashboard but not sold on the gaems.

I'll buy it if I can use groin thrusts to navigate the dash.

[M3wThr33]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

The Sony diddle stick is going to be the copycat.  I think Natal has a unique gimmick on it's own.

The difference is that you can have meaningful input with the Sony Wand.
The Natal is pretty limited to what you can input. Honestly I think it would have best been reserved to only navigate menus.
The PSEye already has a 5-mic array built-in and can do up to 120fps recording, so aside from the IR sensor in the Natal, it has no advantage.

Sony has had more success marketing new peripherals late in a console's life. See the Buzz buzzers, the Eyetoy games, Singstar microphones or whatever else. MS has been the copycat with Lips, their shitty camera that bombed and Scene-It which didn't even have a constant voice-over and is now multiplatform.

Also, the Sony stick corrects a fatal flaw in the Wiimote design. The ball allows it to be picked up at virtually any angle, as opposed to the need to point it at the bar.

wow...

So 09's holiday season was disappointing in terms of number of exclusives to a lot of xfans, and it seems like it'll only get worse; '10 holidays has been officially ruined.

Oh, it'll only get worse. Do a search on how many Natal projects are out there that MS is helping along and you'll be scared. It's going to be a very gimmicky 2010.

Fortunately the early half of 2010 is chock full of actual good games that got bumped from '09. 

Yeah, Bioshock 2. Fallout: New Vegas, Criterion's new NFS, DDR PS3 (I think), God of War III, BF:BC2, Guitar Hero PSP, MG Rizing, etc. It'll be a better year in 2010 with a laughable backlog.

[The Fake Shemp]

You forgot the only game that matters: Mass Effect 2.

[M3wThr33]

You forgot the only game that matters: Mass Effect 2.

Also, Left for Dead 3 and 4.

[TakingBackSunday]

As far as I know, nothing about Natal indicates that the traditional 360 controller is going to be axed for good.  In fact I'd even bet that most of effective and quality games that use Natal will use a control scheme that combines both the 360 controller and Natal.

[M3wThr33]

As far as I know, nothing about Natal indicates that the traditional 360 controller is going to be axed for good.  In fact I'd even bet that most of effective and quality games that use Natal will use a control scheme that combines both the 360 controller and Natal.

I don't think anyone was suggesting the controller was going away, rather dev time being wasted on the games we don't want.

[The Fake Shemp]

Left 4 Dead 3 isn't even a real game.

[TakingBackSunday]

As far as I know, nothing about Natal indicates that the traditional 360 controller is going to be axed for good.  In fact I'd even bet that most of effective and quality games that use Natal will use a control scheme that combines both the 360 controller and Natal.

I don't think anyone was suggesting the controller was going away, rather dev time being wasted on the games we don't want.

Says you.  I for one welcome our new motion-control overlords.

[M3wThr33]

Left 4 Dead 3 isn't even a real game.

I was joking at how fast L4D2 came out that 2 more will come out in 2010.

[Don Flamenco]

Left 4 Dead 3 isn't even a real game.

I was joking at how fast L4D2 came out that 2 more will come out in 2010.

I don't get it.

[The Fake Shemp]

What does that have to do with Mass Effect 2 being awesome?

EDIT: I hope the DLC for Mass Effect 2 is Natal compatible, so I can bang space aliens using pelvic thrust motions.

[M3wThr33]

What does that have to do with Mass Effect 2 being awesome?

EDIT: I hope the DLC for Mass Effect 2 is Natal compatible, so I can bang space aliens using pelvic thrust motions.

Anything to get Fox & Friends talking about it.

[The Fake Shemp]

Sex in videogames is an old hat now. Look at Dragon Age. It is practically an orgy simulator - you can have sex with gay dwarves, cheeseburgers, etc.

[The Fake Shemp]

I also cannot wait to fight the Covenant in Halo: Reach by making a tea-bagging motion in real life that is interpreted as an attack command by Natal!

[brawndolicious]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

The Sony diddle stick is going to be the copycat.  I think Natal has a unique gimmick on it's own.

the way it works is really different but most people are probably going to still think motion=motion=motion.  When it comes to the way that the natal camera works, I just don't see an idea that works with any "traditional" game and yet stay fun and not tiring for an hour.

The wiimote was designed so that your fingers are always on/near 4-5  buttons at any time, like 99% of games would require.  I think that only controlling the dashboard will be easy with just hand gestures but most games that need Natal will come with their own peripherals.  Possibly, MS will even make a wiimote knock-off?

[cool breeze]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

The Sony diddle stick is going to be the copycat.  I think Natal has a unique gimmick on it's own.

The difference is that you can have meaningful input with the Sony Wand.
The Natal is pretty limited to what you can input. Honestly I think it would have best been reserved to only navigate menus.
The PSEye already has a 5-mic array built-in and can do up to 120fps recording, so aside from the IR sensor in the Natal, it has no advantage.

Sony has had more success marketing new peripherals late in a console's life. See the Buzz buzzers, the Eyetoy games, Singstar microphones or whatever else. MS has been the copycat with Lips, their shitty camera that bombed and Scene-It which didn't even have a constant voice-over and is now multiplatform.

Also, the Sony stick corrects a fatal flaw in the Wiimote design. The ball allows it to be picked up at virtually any angle, as opposed to the need to point it at the bar.

Oh, I have no doubt that the diddle stick is going to be better for nerds who care about improvements (um, lateral improvements) to control fidelity.

I'm just saying that when they are released, and even now, Sony is going to be the imitator of the two.  Just from personal experience with non-gamers who bought the Wii, they are have had similar reactions to Natal as they did to the Wii remote in that "neat-o" gimmicky way.  To the uninformed, the Sony thing really is just the Wii remote again.  To be fair, Sony is fuck awful at explaining why it it's different.  Apparently the Playstation Eye came out a few years back, fell into a black hole, and now suddenly they have it again to use with Eyepet and diddle stick.  And you know how shitty they are at showing these things because Milo is basically Eyepet, except not real, yet everyone was blown away because Microsoft had enough sense to have a big eared Brit talk about how some daft woman thought pixels were tossing her a pair of goggles.  Or hell, the Playstation Eye demos from back before the Wii came out (E3 05, iirc, back when Sony was cocky as all hell) where they had the cups tracked in 3D Space.

in short, the Sony solution is a better wii remote that has practical uses in conventional gaming but Sony is too stupid to show why anyone would want that; Microsoft has a magic camera that makes crazy shit happen when you dance your tard ass in front of it, and that is what people want.  Sony will probably launch with video games; crappy video games, but games nonetheless.  Microsoft will launch with "you fat fuck, pretend to do exercise in front of your TV then try again next year" and "Rare presents: gaudy mini-game shit fest".  Thus, Microsoft has a chance to be successful by attacking the lowest common denominator while Sony sits back and wonders "why did our dildo with a glowing ping pong ball fail so bad? we had video games that used it!"

[Brehvolution]

Left 4 Dead 3 isn't even a real game.

You can make a gun with the shape of your hand*.



*Or special plastic accessory that remains to be priced.

[Brehvolution]

Fight Night Round 5 using natal will be the true boxing simulator.

So could all sports games, theoretically.

[Cormacaroni]

Fight Night Round 5 using natal will be the true boxing simulator.

So could all sports games, theoretically.

Weightlifting would be awesome!

[M3wThr33]

I don't see the tech working as well as a wiimote and yeah, the consumers are going to think of it as a copycat.

The Sony diddle stick is going to be the copycat.  I think Natal has a unique gimmick on it's own.

The difference is that you can have meaningful input with the Sony Wand.
The Natal is pretty limited to what you can input. Honestly I think it would have best been reserved to only navigate menus.
The PSEye already has a 5-mic array built-in and can do up to 120fps recording, so aside from the IR sensor in the Natal, it has no advantage.

Sony has had more success marketing new peripherals late in a console's life. See the Buzz buzzers, the Eyetoy games, Singstar microphones or whatever else. MS has been the copycat with Lips, their shitty camera that bombed and Scene-It which didn't even have a constant voice-over and is now multiplatform.

Also, the Sony stick corrects a fatal flaw in the Wiimote design. The ball allows it to be picked up at virtually any angle, as opposed to the need to point it at the bar.

Oh, I have no doubt that the diddle stick is going to be better for nerds who care about improvements (um, lateral improvements) to control fidelity.

I'm just saying that when they are released, and even now, Sony is going to be the imitator of the two.  Just from personal experience with non-gamers who bought the Wii, they are have had similar reactions to Natal as they did to the Wii remote in that "neat-o" gimmicky way.  To the uninformed, the Sony thing really is just the Wii remote again.  To be fair, Sony is fuck awful at explaining why it it's different.  Apparently the Playstation Eye came out a few years back, fell into a black hole, and now suddenly they have it again to use with Eyepet and diddle stick.  And you know how shitty they are at showing these things because Milo is basically Eyepet, except not real, yet everyone was blown away because Microsoft had enough sense to have a big eared Brit talk about how some daft woman thought pixels were tossing her a pair of goggles.  Or hell, the Playstation Eye demos from back before the Wii came out (E3 05, iirc, back when Sony was cocky as all hell) where they had the cups tracked in 3D Space.

in short, the Sony solution is a better wii remote that has practical uses in conventional gaming but Sony is too stupid to show why anyone would want that; Microsoft has a magic camera that makes crazy shit happen when you dance your tard ass in front of it, and that is what people want.  Sony will probably launch with video games; crappy video games, but games nonetheless.  Microsoft will launch with "you fat fuck, pretend to do exercise in front of your TV then try again next year" and "Rare presents: gaudy mini-game shit fest".  Thus, Microsoft has a chance to be successful by attacking the lowest common denominator while Sony sits back and wonders "why did our dildo with a glowing ping pong ball fail so bad? we had video games that used it!"

I'm so depressed that I agree with you. The best we can hope for is that this motion shit is all a fad, just like fmv games were. They always seem to focus more on the technology than being fun.

Still amazed that EyeToy Play 2 was worse than EyeToy Play 1. (And the USA never got any other, ETP3, Sports, Lemmings, Ape Escape, etc.)

[chronovore]

I'll buy it if I can use groin thrusts to navigate the dash.

I already use pelvic thrusts to control the 360 whenever Chobot's doing her weekly thing.

What does that have to do with Mass Effect 2 being awesome?

EDIT: I hope the DLC for Mass Effect 2 is Natal compatible, so I can bang space aliens using pelvic thrust motions.

I like where this is going.

the industry has a habit of releasing accessories that are interesting in theory, but never get decent support, so it'll be interesting to see how MS handles this. 

Seriously, this is the big thing. The thing that nobody ever really wants to talk about: Accessories outside the default package always splinter the userbase, which means if the feature is integral to the gameplay, it can only sell to the subset of the platform owners which have purchased the additional hardware. Look how many EyeToy-required games have lit up the charts. Look how MS even had to give away their Xbox Camera-only game, whatever that ball-rolling thing was. I own it and I can't even remember what it's called.

The smart marketing move would be to pull a nintendo: Release Xbox Natal with slightly improved Xbox 360 hardware, a new controller -- AND 100% BACKWARD COMPATIBLE WITH XBOX 360!

[Bildi]

Looks like the pelvis will figure big in Natal.

I'm pumped.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Motion controlled games are not a fad and are nothing like FMV games were.  That said, the first gen (broadly defined; where we still are, Microsoft and Sony versions included) apps will probably continue to be pretty gimmicky, because that's where the low-hanging fruit lies.

[Van Cruncheon]

MIDAS NETAL