Author Topic: Aonuma says next Zelda will be different (Read 10618 times)

Oblivion · « **on:** November 18, 2009, 01:58:45 PM »

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Zelda producer Eiji Aonuma has told ONM to expect surprises at next year's E3 as Nintendo prepares to reveal an overhaul of the critically-acclaimed series.

When asked how different the new Zelda title will be when it arrives on Wii next year, Aonuma replied: "It is something we used to talk about with Mr Miyamoto, and he and I agree that if we are following the same structure again and again, we might not be able to give long time Zelda fans a fresh surprise."

"So we have been trying something new in terms of the structure of the Wii version of the new Zelda game this time. I am really hopeful that people will be surprised with the changes we have implemented for this Wii version."

Aonuma also confirmed that alongside full MotionPlus support, we'll be able to see more of what his team have been working on at next year's E3. "I hope that we can show you something at the E3 show next year and it is something we are hopeful will be surprising," he added.

The full, in-depth interview with Eiji Aonuma will be published in Official Nintendo Magazine issue 51, out December 18th. Issue 50, which contains the world's first Zelda: Spirit Tracks review, an exclusive Shigeru Miyamoto interview and much more, goes on sale from Friday 20th November. You can buy Official Nintendo Magazine online right here and get it delivered to your door, or even subscribe if the mood takes you. You get a copy of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games if you fancy it.

So we're guaranteed surprises from the next Zelda game on Wii but what do you think they will be? Tell us in the comments thread!

There, now people can shut up.

MCD · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:01:02 PM »

FPS ZELDA

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:16:26 PM »

It will have

time travel
alternate dimension
link's childhood
a boat
a train

Space travel?

archie4208 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:18:45 PM »

The Legend of Zelda: Modern Warfare

Link can shoot terrorists with his bow.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:26:32 PM »

Link's Aerobic Adventure

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:32:09 PM »

new way of doing old puzzles/dungeon mechanics

Himu · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:34:57 PM »

Well this is good news.

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2009, 02:59:14 PM »

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Aonuma also confirmed that alongside full MotionPlus support

Oh, so it's gonna suck.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:01:30 PM »

I actually really really like twilight princess for the wii.

demi · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:07:04 PM »

Zelda is for losers. Grow up. Thanks

demi · « **Reply #10 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:13:39 PM »

Pretty much sums it up, man. Games like that only appeal to the young and the pubeless.

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Don Flamenco · « **Reply #11 on:** November 18, 2009, 03:14:00 PM »

Can't wait for puzzles where you waggle/draw things with wiimote.

Bildi · « **Reply #12 on:** November 18, 2009, 04:47:11 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 18, 2009, 02:34:57 PM

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Galaxy isn't the be all and end all, but I think it's fair to say it's pretty darn good. I think Nintendo can still churn out AAA games when they want to.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:00:45 PM »

Galaxy is the best Mario game ever, so fuck you himumumu and play it.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #14 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:24:42 PM »

It's encouraging that he points specifically to the structure of the game as something that needs to be shaken up a bit, since that's what's really starting to feel repetitive (to me at least), rather than the setting or anything like that.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:30:23 PM »

I really want a zelda set up like a megaman game in that you could attempt any dungeon from the start but they will be easier or harder depending on what you did them in.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:35:18 PM »

I know this doesn't count arvie, but I'm pretty sure you could complete the water temple, shadow temple, and spirit temple in OoT in any order. It just took some clever tricks.

twerd · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:42:58 PM »

they say this every zelda. i loved TP tho. nintendo has yet to fuck up a console zelda.

Himu · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:51:43 PM »

They definitely didn't say that about TP, did they?

cool breeze · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:54:43 PM »

Couldn't they just stick to the formula and make it really good? I think this was said for Phantom Hourglass and that was different in the "he doesn't shower or speak much" way. It's like how people wanted Castlevania to be hard and different, so for OoE they had boring linear levels and huge enemy hit bars that involved standing in one spot and attacking for 10 minutes.

And I think Phantom Hourglass is the only Zelda game that wasn't really up to the standards of the other games. Twilight Princess was great, and even if it's like OoT, if you stack them up against each other today, it wouldn't matter. The only big two problems I had was the over abundance of rupees, lack of equipment (new money soaking armor was lame as hell) and no magic.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:54:59 PM »

No, in fact they basically continually said "this is going to ape OoT quite a bit."

oh well, I loved it so whatevs

twerd · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:56:53 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 18, 2009, 05:51:43 PM

They definitely didn't say that about TP, did they?

"it's going to be difficult"

end result: easy game.

"it's going to be different"

end result:

Himu · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:57:28 PM »

Well, Swaggaz, sticking to the formula wouldn't be anything new, and we've seen the formula a thousand times now. That's half the problem with Zelda fans. We don't want something "safe", we want them to take a risk, something crazy like Majora's Mask. At least, that's how I feel.

Quote from: twerd on November 18, 2009, 05:56:53 PM

Quote from: Himuro on November 18, 2009, 05:51:43 PM
They definitely didn't say that about TP, did they?

"it's going to be difficult"

end result: easy game.

"it's going to be different"

end result:

Who said TP was going to be difficult?

Actually, I thought TP WAS marginally challenging at the beginning when you only have three hearts for the longest fucking time because enemies would do attacks that take a heart and a half.

But difficulty isn't my main issue with modern Zelda. I mean, aside from the original and Zelda 2, can we say that there are ANY actually challenging Zelda's? No!

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2009, 05:59:36 PM »

Meh, I don't really care as long as it's a good game. I'm of the opinion that no Zelda games are bad games, just some that are noticeably weaker than others. PH is at the bottom. TP is high near the top.

Himu · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:02:03 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on November 18, 2009, 05:59:36 PM

Meh, I don't really care as long as it's a good game. I'm of the opinion that no Zelda games are bad games, just some that are noticeably weaker than others. PH is at the bottom. TP is high near the top.

Oh, don't get me wrong dude. I'm a Zelda fanatic. It's like the one Nintendo franchise that never does me wrong. Despite my issues with TP, it was still my game of the year when it came out.

I love a good Zelda game, and most of them are awesome indeed, it's just...I really want to see Nintendo go all out and do something unique with it again. Something that will surprise me, something that will wow me like OoT or the original did when I first played them.

I won't complain if it's the same ol', same ol' so long as it's good. I just want something more from them.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:07:45 PM »

Probably a full fledged game based off of Link's Crossbow Training or some shit like that.

In other words:

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:08:11 PM »

demi · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:08:50 PM »

Quote from: T EXP on November 18, 2009, 06:07:45 PM

Probably a full fledged game based off of Link's Crossbow Training or some shit like that.

In other words:

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He plays Zelda games for story!

cool breeze · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 18, 2009, 05:57:28 PM

Well, Swaggaz, sticking to the formula wouldn't be anything new, and we've seen the formula a thousand times now. That's half the problem with Zelda fans. We don't want something "safe", we want them to take a risk, something crazy like Majora's Mask. At least, that's how I feel.

I would say Majora's Mask was more of less the same formula, or at least not enough to be considered very different. It did a good job of masking that by keeping it in one location and playing with time and different masks, the structure wasn't exactly radically different.

and btw, I don't care about what Zelda fans want. I would consider myself a Zelda fan (I consider it my favorite game series, etc etc) but like with Castlevania, I don't think the fans know what they want at all, and the company isn't capable if giving them either what they want or what they think they want. I really don't care either way. I even enjoyed Phantom Hourglass a lot despite being the worst Zelda game. If the series does stay the same and continue to be great, I see no reason to not enjoy them. If the series changes and is great for different reasons, I'll enjoy that too. The worst is that Zelda thread on gaf where people want a matoor Zelda and nerdling crap like that.

Himu · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:12:38 PM »

but surely nintendo has better developers than Iga

Oblivion · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:35:07 PM »

Meh, I don't mind them using a similar template to any previous game, but I prefer they focused on refining things, and not have any new gameplay mechanic/gimmick that doesn't help enhance the experience. Also, orchestrated music.

Rman · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2009, 06:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 18, 2009, 02:34:57 PM

Well this is good news.

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Not the same team. Galaxy was done by EAD Tokyo.

SantaC · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2009, 12:16:54 PM »

Quote from: Himuro

Well this is good news.

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Aounoma is overrated. His game worlds are pretty dull.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2009, 12:17:28 PM »

oh shut the fuck up

Beezy · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2009, 02:53:34 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on November 18, 2009, 05:00:45 PM

Galaxy is the best Mario game ever

Junpei the Tracer! · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2009, 02:55:06 PM »

I think I had more fun with 64.

Himu · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2009, 02:56:59 PM »

Quote from: SantaC on November 19, 2009, 12:16:54 PM

Quote from: Himuro
Well this is good news.

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Aounoma is overrated. His game worlds are pretty dull.

Huh? Isn't it the other way around? Miyamoto's overrated, if you ask me. I think Aonuma's gets what makes a great Zelda than Miyamoto these days.

bork · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:15:27 PM »

I want "New Legend Of Zelda" made in the same style as New Super Mario Bros. Top-down, overhead view, classic game play with new elements, focus on good map design, no 3D or gimmicky bullshit. Nintendo is at their best when they make 2D and 2.5D games.

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:19:02 PM »

2d Zelda is overrated

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:19:23 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on November 19, 2009, 03:15:27 PM

I want "New Legend Of Zelda" made in the same style as New Super Mario Bros. Top-down, overhead view, classic game play with new elements, focus on good map design, no 3D or gimmicky bullshit. Nintendo is at their best when they make 2D and 2.5D games.

How does that explain Super Mario Galaxy?

bork · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:25:57 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 19, 2009, 03:19:02 PM

2d Zelda is overrated

Lots of use for this image with Himu posts!

Nothing beats A Link To The Past and Link's Awakening.

bork · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2009, 03:19:23 PM

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on November 19, 2009, 03:15:27 PM
I want "New Legend Of Zelda" made in the same style as New Super Mario Bros. Top-down, overhead view, classic game play with new elements, focus on good map design, no 3D or gimmicky bullshit. Nintendo is at their best when they make 2D and 2.5D games.

How does that explain Super Mario Galaxy?

There's an exception to the rule every now and then.

But New Super Mario Bros. Wii is better.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:27:11 PM »

No, he's right, 2D Zelda is vastly overrated. Oracle games and FSA are the only ones I'm truly in love with, if you can count FSA.

3D Zeldas are king.

edit: NSMBWii is not better than Galaxy. It's very very good, one of the best Mario games...well, ever I'd say, but Galaxy reigns supreme.

Himu · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:28:45 PM »

Link's Awakening is one of my favorite Zelda titles, but I don't think that 2d Zelda titles are that deep, especially the dungeons and combat, Zelda 2 aside maybe. They're all very simplistic. Especially Link to the Past.

I don't think the series got truly honest to goodness awesome dungeons and decent combat until OoT.

Then again, I haven't played the Capcom Zelda's, unless you want to count Minish Cap, and that game is mediocrity incarnate.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:30:26 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 19, 2009, 03:28:45 PM

Link's Awakening is one of my favorite Zelda titles, but I don't think that 2d Zelda titles are that deep, especially the dungeons and combat, Zelda 2 aside maybe. They're all very simplistic.

I don't think the series got truly honest to goodness awesome dungeons and decent combat until OoT.

Then again, I haven't played the Capcom Zelda's, unless you want to count Minish Cap, and that game is mediocrity incarnate.

WTF man, you consider yourself a huge Zelda fan and you've never played the Capcom Zeldas?

And Minish Cap is aight. Boring in the beginning but still good.

Himu · « **Reply #45 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:39:36 PM »

No, I've never played them. They remain the only Zelda's I've yet to play.

Fuck off.

What's the better Capcom gbc Zeruda?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #46 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:44:23 PM »

Hm...they're both amazing but I'd go with Seasons as I find that mechanic cooler. But seriously, just play both.

We won't judge you if you just use an emulator. Fuck, if you have a hacked DS you can run a great GBC emulator for all the GB Zelda games.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #47 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:49:03 PM »

I swear to god, if he says yes...

SantaC · « **Reply #48 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:50:13 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on November 19, 2009, 02:56:59 PM

Quote from: SantaC on November 19, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Himuro
Well this is good news.

But I worry about their ability to craft a Zelda these days. Then again, people fap over Galaxy (haven't played it).

Aounoma is overrated. His game worlds are pretty dull.

Huh? Isn't it the other way around? Miyamoto's overrated, if you ask me. I think Aonuma's gets what makes a great Zelda than Miyamoto these days.

Aounuma is that one who creates and plan the game worlds in Zelda these days. And yes, Miyamoto is also overrated.

Oblivion · « **Reply #49 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:57:26 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on November 19, 2009, 02:53:34 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 18, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
Galaxy is the best Mario game ever

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Oblivion · « **Reply #50 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »

Himu, you think the dungeons in LA are less simplistic than the ones in LttP?

tiesto · « **Reply #51 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:02:46 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on November 19, 2009, 03:15:27 PM

I want "New Legend Of Zelda" made in the same style as New Super Mario Bros. Top-down, overhead view, classic game play with new elements, focus on good map design, no 3D or gimmicky bullshit. Nintendo is at their best when they make 2D and 2.5D games.

Yeah, that would be fucking awesome...

Oblivion · « **Reply #52 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:17:23 PM »

Quote from: Eiji Aonuma

"We're taking advantage of MotionPlus. It's become very natural – the movement of your arms is precisely reflected in the gameplay. Thanks to the technological advancements, we hope the gameplay can be more accessible to people." - Eijii Aonuma

"We're making efforts regarding the total flow of the Zelda game. So far, the basic flow of the Zelda games is you're exploring a field, you go to a dungeon, you conquer it and return to the field. We're looking at altering that traditional flow. That's all I can share, and I can't say more until E3 next year."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/104/1047583p1.html

Interesting.

Himu · « **Reply #53 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:41:04 PM »

Quote from: Oblivion on November 19, 2009, 04:01:42 PM

Himu, you think the dungeons in LA are less simplistic than the ones in LttP?

I dunno. It's been a while since I played LttP. But things like jumping help me enjoy LA more.

Himu · « **Reply #54 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:41:37 PM »

Quote from: a slime appears on November 19, 2009, 03:47:34 PM

Quote from: Himuro on November 19, 2009, 03:39:36 PM
No, I've never played them. They remain the only Zelda's I've yet to play.
Have you played the CD-i ones? They're the best.

Haha, no. I don't count those.

Quote from: BrandNew on November 19, 2009, 03:44:23 PM

Hm...they're both amazing but I'd go with Seasons as I find that mechanic cooler. But seriously, just play both.

We won't judge you if you just use an emulator. Fuck, if you have a hacked DS you can run a great GBC emulator for all the GB Zelda games.

I can play them on my hacked psp. I never got the chance to play them because I didn't have a gbc back in the day and thought buying one was stupid.

Himu · « **Reply #55 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:48:52 PM »

Oblivion:

While I like 2d Zelda a shit ton, I still cannot grasp how this:

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is better than this:

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Especially if we're talking about mechanical depth.

Personal preference, I guess.

Oblivion · « **Reply #56 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:08:18 PM »

I agree, Himu. I was just comparing those two games specifically.

The Oracle games have more complex puzzles, though for 2D Zeldas.

bork · « **Reply #57 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:27:28 PM »

Lotsa retardedness going on in this thread.

NO 3D OR GIMMICKY BULLSHIT.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #58 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:28:12 PM »

Quote from: the lyte edge™ on November 19, 2009, 03:15:27 PM

I want "New Legend Of Zelda" made in the same style as New Super Mario Bros. Top-down, overhead view, classic game play with new elements, focus on good map design, no 3D or gimmicky bullshit. Nintendo is at their best when they make 2D and 2.5D games.

And sideways wiimote controls! I was thinking this while playing NSMBwii too.

bork · « **Reply #59 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:28:50 PM »

Quote from: Oblivion on November 19, 2009, 04:17:23 PM

Quote from: Eiji Aonuma
"We're taking advantage of MotionPlus. It's become very natural – the movement of your arms is precisely reflected in the gameplay. Thanks to the technological advancements, we hope the gameplay can be more accessible to people." - Eijii Aonuma

"We're making efforts regarding the total flow of the Zelda game. So far, the basic flow of the Zelda games is you're exploring a field, you go to a dungeon, you conquer it and return to the field. We're looking at altering that traditional flow. That's all I can share, and I can't say more until E3 next year."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/104/1047583p1.html

Interesting.

Already completely disinterested. R.I.P. Zelda.

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Author Topic: Aonuma says next Zelda will be different (Read 10618 times)