Will motion controls ruin gaming?

[SantaC]

I admit I was excited for the motion controls for Wii before it came out, but after couple of years with the final product I dont find any game that is more fun with them. What gaming needs is new ideas of ingame gameplay, not this waggle shit. The xbox360 controller is perfectly fine, but that wont last long. MS and Sony are on their way with their controls, and I fear that a few years from now almost all games will be about the waggle, with or without a controller. Natal does not interest me at all and it will probably be even more ridiculous than waving a wiimote.

So do you see yourself getting excited for this shit in the coming years and future?

[TakingBackSunday]

emcee, GET HIM

the rest of y'all, go ahead and agree with him, but realize you're agreeing with SantaC

[Bebpo]

Aren't you like a few years late for the crazy

[cool breeze]

Motion control done right is cool, but it's hard to find anything past a tech demo that emphasizes this (like impossible).  Wii Sports Resort Ping Pong and Sword specifically are neat.

I still think the Wii has sullied motion control for a lot of people.  It has been pretty awful for the past three years, and while motion plus makes it better, you can count all the games that support it on one hand.  Maybe with Natal, Saggle and the future of Motion Plus the waggle can die. 

and some people consider the pointer on the wii remote to be motion control.  I don't.  That said, the pointer stuff on the Wii has been good.

[demi]

Will? Don't you mean already are?

[bork]

Motion control done right is cool, but it's hard to find anything past a tech demo that emphasizes this (like impossible).  Wii Sports Resort Ping Pong and Sword specifically are neat.

I still think the Wii has sullied motion control for a lot of people.  It has been pretty awful for the past three years, and while motion plus makes it better, you can count all the games that support it on one hand.  Maybe with Natal, Saggle and the future of Motion Plus the waggle can die. 

and some people consider the pointer on the wii remote to be motion control.  I don't.  That said, the pointer stuff on the Wii has been good.

Agreed.  When it's used right, it can be fun, and using the Wii pointer can work well.  I thought RE4 Wii Edition played great; better than using regular controls, in fact.  ( Capcom rocks for including regular controls too!)  Some of the driving games like Excite Truck and Mario Kart Wii have been a lot of fun to play as well.

When waggle is used in the place of hitting buttons, like shaking it to attack, it sucks shit, and unfortunately the majority of Wii games seem to be games meant for regular control pads with waggle thrown in.

[recursivelyenumerable]

No.  They'll help broaden and enrich it.  First-gen versions of everything always tend to be gimmicky, because gimmicks are the low-hanging fruit.

[OptimoPeach]

Oh look, a SantaC thread

[SantaC]

Will? Don't you mean already are?

Either way is fine, but so far only Wii has been using it consistently. That is about to change though.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

shit/bin this thread

This discussion would have been better if it was 2006 and even then, a dicey judgment call.

I don't think Natal and the dildowand will get any kind of significant marketshare.  Microsoft will be more successful at it because of the huge ad campaigns they intend to roll out.  Wii did as well as it did by aiming for soccer moms and grandmothers, previously untapped markets that were left to their own devices, who usually wound up playing Solitaire on their PC.  As it stands these new wagglecrap technologies are aiming for teenagers and young adults, the same group that is already well aware of the 360 and PS3.

It doesn't matter as neither will ruin gaming because it'll fail to pick up any kind of momentum.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm pretty sure at this point the only systems SantaC owns are a wii and ds. I'm going to check his post history brb.

edit: hmm not exactly, but he mostly posts in Nintendo threads. Self-loathing ninthing confirmed.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Oh, and motion/pointer controls rock. List time!

Metroid Prime 3
Shaun White
Excite bots /truck
Boom Blox
Pro Evolution Soccer
Tiger Woods 10
HotD Overkill
Warioware Waggle
Kororinpa

I don't know if I'm ready to make a verdict on whether its suitable for fps games.  I've been playing the Call of Duty 4 port and its really hard to get a bead on someone zig zagging around.  I try to snipe but I end up only taking out other snipers and distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that stand still too long.  It is fun though.
Probably more, but I don't completely remember the stuff I've traded in.
You're buying the wrong games.

[archie4208]

Outside of Excite Truck/Bots and Wii Sports, I have not played a single game where motion controls meaningfully added to the gameplay experience.  Pointer controls, on the other hand are pretty good, but they aren't suitable for every game or genre.

[tiesto]

Outside of Excite Truck/Bots and Wii Sports, I have not played a single game where motion controls meaningfully added to the gameplay experience.  Pointer controls, on the other hand are pretty good, but they aren't suitable for every game or genre.

Kororinpa, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, and other marble-rolling games make effective use of motion controls/tilt.

[archie4208]

Another big problem with motion controls is that they are inherently imprecise due to the inability to reperform a particular action every time.  You will never see Devil May Cry or Street Fighter rely on motion controls because you can can't do the exact same motion again and again.

[Human Snorenado]

[Bocsius]

While I personally have no interest whatsoever in motion controls, it's only one of many things that could possibly "ruin" gaming if allowed to run unchecked.

Even then, I barely play games anymore anyway. So burn it to the ground for all I care.

[SantaC]

I'm pretty sure at this point the only systems SantaC owns are a wii and ds. I'm going to check his post history brb.

edit: hmm not exactly, but he mostly posts in Nintendo threads. Self-loathing ninthing confirmed.

I own Wii, DS and a 360. But I have gotten most playtime from my 360 which has a very good controller. I really dont see the need for Natal.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm pretty sure at this point the only systems SantaC owns are a wii and ds. I'm going to check his post history brb.

edit: hmm not exactly, but he mostly posts in Nintendo threads. Self-loathing ninthing confirmed.

I own Wii, DS and a 360. But I have gotten most playtime from my 360 which has a very good controller. I really dont see the need for Natal.

It's not aimed at you. That's the entire point. It's about trying to attract an expanded and wider demographic than gamer nerd A and B that you represent. There is no need to fear however that all games will suddenly be motion controlled games for lots of reasons.

[Trent Dole]

This thread ruins the gaming forum. smh

[SantaC]

This thread ruins the gaming forum. smh

ok

[twerd]

waggle usually sucks because it cannot reach the reliability of a button press (occasionally the tactile feel helps, see SMG's spin move), motion controls rock when done well. you play your 360 more because it has more high profile games, not because you hate the wii controller. in summation, this thread is stupid.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

While I personally have no interest whatsoever in motion controls, it's only one of many things that could possibly "ruin" gaming if allowed to run unchecked.

Even then, I barely play games anymore anyway. So burn it to the ground for all I care.

I agree.  Also, with emulators, it'd take several years to work through all of the decent and better games released in the past 30 years.

[EmCeeGrammar]

And its not like nintendo didnt put buttons and have a analog stick that you can hook up to your waggle wand.  Even they realise the importance of having buttons.  I suspect Natal is going to be crap, but I'm mostly basing that off how much I dislike the balance board games in WiiFit.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Eh 1 and a half years ago, close enough

[Raban]

And its not like nintendo didnt put buttons and have a analog stick that you can hook up to your waggle wand.  Even they realise the importance of having buttons.  I suspect Natal is going to be crap, but I'm mostly basing that off how much I dislike the balance board games in WiiFit.

Proof that EmCee is full of shit, and you can safely avoid.

Also, Wrath, pay more attention. EmCee idiotically bumped an old thread. No need to reply to the OP.

[Herr Mafflard]

Steven Poole once again on point, motion controls are slave labor. Excerpt from his latest column

You're a slave to love, the grind, or '80s metal, sure -- but are you also a slave to videogames? It's a familiar critique ('You're not playing the game; the game is playing you'), but one that seems increasingly to the point. Take the fashion for motion control. If you are sprawled at princely ease, pressing small buttons to achieve dramatic effects, then you are in command. By contrast, if you have to use your whole body as the controller, you are a slave, just in the way that slaves in the ancient world were valued to the extent that they were bodies from which a certain amount of physical work could be extracted before their unmourned demise.

The Wii or Kinect or Move system dilutes one of the core pleasures of videogaming: amplification of input, the translation of tiny physical actions into complex or forceful virtual performance. Lara Croft, or that bland-faced 'hero' of Uncharted: they are your puppets, performing impressive acrobatics for little cost or effort on your part; but if you had to imitate all their actions physically, you would be just as much a puppet as they are.

[naff]

Isn't that one of the key factors of motion control 'movin yow bowy freery! REAL DANCING!'.... Endorphins and all that jazz, now in your living room.



Still a good game btw