Author Topic: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion! (Read 24815 times)

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #361 on:** May 05, 2010, 01:33:02 AM »

Hey, I didn't recommend it to anybody!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #362 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:51:22 AM »

Who's prepared to be son i am disappoint

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #363 on:** May 07, 2010, 11:11:59 AM »

I think it's your turn Willco. Just about everyone took the Avatar bullet before you bro

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #364 on:** May 07, 2010, 11:23:25 AM »

I'm fully prepared for this being my "Transformers" :'(

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #365 on:** May 07, 2010, 11:42:07 AM »

I have a feeling my expectations have been suitably lowered and now I'm gonna enjoy the shit out of it.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #366 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:26:17 AM »

Movie is thinner than a sheet of paper, but still better than Avatar.

Beezy · « **Reply #367 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:37:38 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on May 05, 2010, 12:58:21 AM

Double K.O.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #368 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:44:37 AM »

Iron Man 2

+ Humor works, far funnier than the original
+ Good casting all-around
+ Final climax is about ten times better than the original
+ Sam Rockwell for President
+ Embodies some of the best aspects of Marvel comics

- Pretty awful screenplay
- Pacing is awkward
- A ridiculously long stretch of time where nothing happens
- Stretches the suspension of disbelief
- Forced, contrived character introductions
- The lack continuity for James Rhodes' character significantly hurts the film
- Somehow abandoned Pepper Potts/Tony Stark love story from the original, reintroduces it near the end
- Embodies some of the worst aspects of Marvel comics

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #369 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:57:34 AM »

Also, I'm about to ban the meme where screenwriters introduce comic book characters by referring to their name in a phrase or sentence, because their comic book monikers are to silly for real dialogue.

"YOU WANT TO BE SOME KIND OF WAR MACHINE?"

brawndolicious · « **Reply #370 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:58:31 AM »

is the gwyneth paltrow kept to a minimum?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #371 on:** May 08, 2010, 01:59:20 AM »

Are there any interesting scientist characters in the film? You really can't have an action or sci fi film without such pivotal roles

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #372 on:** May 08, 2010, 02:00:29 AM »

I guess Whiplash qualifies as "interesting scientist guy" since he's coincidentally a super genius scientist!*

* I guess scientists in Russia don't brush their teeth or shower.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #373 on:** May 08, 2010, 02:02:13 AM »

Does he have a suit of armor? I'd imagine even a Russian scientist would realize fighting Iron Man in a mechanical wife beater isn't a good idea.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #374 on:** May 08, 2010, 02:04:28 AM »

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He does make his own Iron Man suit at the end, but this time - with whips! MEGA WHIPS!

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Also Sam Rockwell came dangerously close to saying, "You haven't seen the last of me!" as he was hauled away in handcuffs. Doesn't get much more comic book-y than that.

Disposable White Guy · « **Reply #375 on:** May 08, 2010, 06:38:39 PM »

Thoughts on Iron Man:

It was pretty OK.

Thoughts on Iron Man 2:

It's still pretty OK.

Edit: Actually, I ended up liking Mickey Rourke throughout the movie more than Robert Downey Jr. There were some pretty humorous situations between Rourke and Sam Rockwell (who totally ended up stealing the scene with all the yelling) and it's nice to see how he handled the Whiplash character.

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"Suits no good. Men make mistake. Droid better."

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Kestastrophe · « **Reply #376 on:** May 08, 2010, 06:47:24 PM »

^agreed. I thought it was better than the first. They could have made the movie politically relevant with military industrial complex/drone theme expansion etc, not that it would have made the movie better

I much preferred Mickey Rourke as the bad guy in this to Jeff Bridges in the previous film

brawndolicious · « **Reply #377 on:** May 08, 2010, 06:50:15 PM »

Now I'm hyped for how enjoyable the movie is with lower your expectations.

cool breeze · « **Reply #378 on:** May 12, 2010, 08:31:19 PM »

I actually saw this movie a few days ago but totally forgot about it until now. I thought it was pretty bad and I liked the first movie enough to buy it on blu-ray. If Transformers 1 was a good movie and the drop in quality from that to Transformers 2 could be measured, that would be about the difference between Iron Man 1 and 2 for me.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #379 on:** May 12, 2010, 10:42:17 PM »

Transformers 2 was better than the first, if you skipped all of the exposition (it had more total minutes of action than the first one).

Personally, I thought IM2 was far better than the first.

Rockwell made a good bad guy, Cheadle could actually act bad-ass, and Scarlett stole a bunch of Gwyneth Paltrow's screentime. The movie was dumb fun but at least it embraced that. And I hated how little they showed Starks' vices in the first one so this improved a lot in that regard.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #380 on:** May 12, 2010, 11:19:53 PM »

People who say Iron Man 2 is worse than Iron Man 1, i just shrug. But when they say it's a lot worse, then i just think people are stupid.

ManaByte · « **Reply #381 on:** May 13, 2010, 02:17:24 AM »

I think it was better than the first if only due to a much better villain.

cool breeze · « **Reply #382 on:** May 13, 2010, 12:40:10 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on May 12, 2010, 10:42:17 PM

Transformers 2 was better than the first, if you skipped all of the exposition (it had more total minutes of action than the first one).

Personally, I thought IM2 was far better than the first.

Rockwell made a good bad guy, Cheadle could actually act bad-ass, and Scarlett stole a bunch of Gwyneth Paltrow's screentime. The movie was dumb fun but at least it embraced that. And I hated how little they showed Starks' vices in the first one so this improved a lot in that regard.

I liked Transformers 2 more than the first too. I didn't mean quality wise like that so I should probably clarify how I felt about the two movies. Transformers 1 was a mostly coherent, bad movie with bad action. Transformers 2 was a complete mess, bad movie, but it had entertaining action. Iron Man 2's structure and pacing changes reminded me of that drop in quality but they didn't make the action better. I don't think it is that much worse than Iron Man 1 (I think on the last pace or two I was hating on the second half of Iron Man 1) but at least that wasn't some a jumble of different events.

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Like, Tony's vices in this movie seemed more a result of his death. In the first movie we see him gambling, getting with that reporter, having strippers on his plane, etc. while here he just acts while because he thinks he will die. It would have been much better if they ignored all the SHIELD stuff, him dying, and the Daddy saving the day through planning. I think it would have been great if what gave him stress was competition from Hammer and the government, because that way his drinking could have seemed like it was a result of intense stress. Plus it would have given Hammer more time in the movie, and Rockwell was pretty awesome as Hammer.

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WrikaWrek · « **Reply #383 on:** May 13, 2010, 12:46:46 PM »

Certain death ain't stressful enuf!!!!!!!!!

cool breeze · « **Reply #384 on:** May 13, 2010, 01:01:55 PM »

did I not make it clear enough?

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If the reason he was drinking because he believed he was dying from his arc reactor infection, and he solved that problem at the end of the film, it is a poor way to make him seem like the alcoholic he is supposed to be. If it was just because he felt pressured from Hammer, the government, and Mickey Rourke, they could work that into Iron Man 3 or The Avenger movie. Would be a better and more consistent way to introduce his drinking problems than certain death.

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If you still don't understand, my response is to the second movie showing off the problems Tony had in the comics better than the first and not so much a general complaint about the complaint. Personally I don't think the character in the movies seems to have the same problems the comic version had and they didn't need to escalate them like they did.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #385 on:** May 13, 2010, 01:12:32 PM »

Your posts are hard to read.

Anyway, him drinking because of competition?

Da fuck. Shit makes no sense. The Demon in the bottle storyline hasn't been worked into the movie yet, that has to take time, it's a storyline that has to come later in the life of Tony Stark and become really his biggest enemy. You can't put Tony's biggest enemy in the 2nd movie.

In the first movie it was guilt, 2nd movie it was everything crumbling around him + having to deal with a villain who wasn't his responsibility in the first place. Movie was vehicle son - father relationship, his selfish and individualistic attitude pushing his closest friends away, and for a more comic like feel to it with the introduction of the Avengers.

I just don't see anything wrong with it aside from it still being a feel good movie first that at the end of the day is like Tony Stark, a crowd pleaser. Which it is.

Because i go to the cinema plenty, and i can count with the fingers of my hand how many times i head the audience laugh and applaud during a movie. It works.

For comparison, Transformers 2 was silent as shit.

cool breeze · « **Reply #386 on:** May 13, 2010, 01:35:51 PM »

You seem to be too personally invested in this, man. Shades of that Avatar nonsense from a while back that isn't worth getting into. For me Iron Man 2 was just another movie I saw and I thought it was a pretty bad movie that was still entertaining at times. If I watch it again and my opinion of it changes, that's fine by me, but that won't happen until it's out on dvd/blu-ray. It wouldn't be the first time that I enjoyed a movie more the second time.

and I agree that my posts are hard to read. I just noticed "general complaint about the complaint" and I think I meant to say movie.

and anecdotes from the theater are hardly a measure of a movie. You say Transformers 2 was silent for you, but the theater I saw it in was pretty loud. The loudest the audience has been in a theater in the past few years has been Snakes on a Plane and that movie was trash. Just saying that people react differently to this stuff.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #387 on:** May 13, 2010, 02:13:09 PM »

*taps*

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #388 on:** May 13, 2010, 08:27:57 PM »

I ran by this today and had a good laugh.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #389 on:** May 13, 2010, 08:43:10 PM »

The local Landmark Theatres always have awesome marquee zingers.

cool breeze · « **Reply #390 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:50:56 PM »

that's awesome

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #391 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:55:18 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 08:27:57 PM

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I ran by this today and had a good laugh.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #392 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:57:54 PM »

This is still my favorite... from a theater in Portland, OR...

Himu · « **Reply #393 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:01:39 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 08:27:57 PM

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I ran by this today and had a good laugh.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #394 on:** May 14, 2010, 01:16:27 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 08:27:57 PM

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I ran by this today and had a good laugh.

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Himu · « **Reply #395 on:** May 14, 2010, 01:27:02 AM »

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #396 on:** May 14, 2010, 01:29:23 AM »

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He's such a prick.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #397 on:** May 14, 2010, 03:21:13 AM »

Shitty movie. like 2 fight scenes. I don't go to comic book movies to learn the deep back stories of the boring, one-dimensional characters.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #398 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:53:47 AM »

I thought Linkzg made perfect sense.

Ganhyun · « **Reply #399 on:** May 15, 2010, 12:02:27 AM »

I liked it myself.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #400 on:** May 15, 2010, 12:07:21 AM »

Came back a couple of hours ago. Its the only movie that actually makes Paltrow likable to me (or are there others?). They really should have thought out the whole Avengers lead up since they're pretty much fucking up the Iron Man movies trying to cram shit in. I still can't get enough of the way the suits look and just how visceral and bad ass the action can be (and War Machine). I also can't believe they actually are still using the fucking Pots and Pans sound effect, what the fuck is that about? You would think there would be a thump or some other sort of suspension sound instead of a small child clanging on some cookery.

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